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whites better start voting for prowhite parties

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Started: 3/26/2010 Category: Politics
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PrinceOfTheFire

Pro

white people all around the world better start voting now for prowhite parties like BNP, front national, Vlaams belang, etc, in europe, and, in america for paleoconservative candidates in the republican and constitution party

why? because:
1) most, if not all other parties or candidate support open-borders that will make white people into minorities in all the countries that they established. The date for white minority in america is 2042, for most britain is 2100, Canada by 2060, other european countries have other dates, most of western europe before 2100

now, you would ask, how does it affect you if whites become a minority??? well, the answer is found in places in europe and america that once had white majorities but had lost it since then:

Malmo, Sweden: Epidemic of gangrapes by muslim immigrants against women of nordic ethnicity. Antisemitic attacks and violence, constant riots

Central Paris: Constant riots by african and arab gangs, burning of cars, generalized vandalism

London: Wave of crime, racially charged assaults and gangbeating against whites, , groaming of white women, no-go areas for whites or other ethnic groups, terrorist attack by muslim extremists

Caifornia: The state is bankrupted, having to support over 10 million illegal immigrants and their anchor babies, and millions of other nonwhites on welfare. Overtaxed whites are leaving the state

so, unless you wanna be overtaxed, assaulted or killed in a terrorist attack, f you are white, you better start voting for prowhite parties, dont you think?

*the tolerance of diversity is directly proportional to your distance from it*

(note: the topic of this debate is not about how much race is about genetics or social constructs)

sources:
http://www.foxnews.com...
http://www.guardian.co.uk...
http://www.liveleak.com...
Koopin

Con

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DEFINTIONS
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Whites: Marked by slight pigmentation of the skin, as of many Caucasoids. [1]
Minority: The smaller part or number. [2]
Parties: A group of persons with common political opinions and purposes organized for gaining political influence and governmental control and for directing government policy. [3]

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My argument will be small, since this is a five round debate.
So what? It seems like a strange thing to say at the beginning of a debate, but….So what?
What is so bad about Whites becoming the minority?
America is moving on, and racists are getting left behind.
To tell you the truth, if whites become the minority there would not be over taxation and terrorist attacks like you say. The very idea is quite amusing.
In politics it is important to vote for those who you think are going to do something better for your country.
It is time to leave racism behind; it's time to man up.
Most Prowhite parties are focused on making their race dominate instead of helping the people.
We do not need this right now, especially with the way America is these days.
Racism is dying, the world is getting smarter.
Do you know why all those things that you listed happened?
Because of RASICIZM!
Do you think that if everyone in office is white then it will end Racism?
No, it will simply feed it.
There are many blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and other races that would see this and simply vote for their color because the whites are doing it.

I await my opponent's response.

Sources:
(1). http://dictionary.reference.com...
(2). http://dictionary.reference.com...
(3). http://dictionary.reference.com...
Debate Round No. 1
PrinceOfTheFire

Pro

Your definition of race is too general. with whites I am referring exclusively to people of native european ancestry, skind color is not a requirement as shown by some southern italians, the wikipedia's definition of white

http://en.wikipedia.org...

***Rather than a straightforward description of skin color, the term white also functions as a color terminology for race, often referring narrowly to people claiming ancestry exclusively from Europe***

"What is so bad about Whites becoming the minority?"

Overtaxation, assaults and terrorism. You did not address my points about what has already happened in specific points that once had white majorities

"America is moving on, and racists are getting left behind"

America is moving towards ethnic identity politics. i.e. 92 % blacks voted for Obama, and a number of whites did so just because he was black. The number of recent racial attacks by blacks and mexicans prove you wrong. only "white racism" is being condemned

http://www.rep-am.com...

"if whites become the minority there would not be over taxation and terrorist attacks like you say"

why not? it is already happening in the places I mentioned, why would it be different once we are a minority in the rest of oiur cities?

"Most Prowhite parties are focused on making their race dominate instead of helping the people"

please expand. You are just making that up without providing examples

"Do you know why all those things that you listed happened?"

because some dumb liberal thought it was a good idea to have open borders for muslims and everyone else

"Do you think that if everyone in office is white then it will end Racism?"

strawman

"There are many blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and other races that would see this and simply vote for their color
because whites are doing it"

they already do that. See Obama
Koopin

Con

I thank you for posting your next argument.
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Your resolution is ‘whites better start voting for prowhite parties.' You did not say anything about them having to be native European ancestry. You also did not leave a definition in your opening statement of what your version of white was. Therefore, I will continue arguing based off of the definition that I stated.
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You claim that racism is growing larger than it use to be, hmm…. Well, this is not true. In the fifties, black women could not sit in the front seat of bus. Now, it is legal. In the sixties, a black man would not even want to sit near a white man. Now, most people have no problem with it. Yes, you can pick a few videos of black on white violence, but this does not mean anything! If there are ten people in a room, and one person jumps, does that mean everyone jumps? No. There is always going to be people fighting, but just because one Black man beats up a White man does not make all Black men evil. I could sit on youtube and find, White on Black, White on White, Black on Black, Hispanic on black, White on Hispanic, and so many other violence videos, but it would prove nothing.
You have failed to explain exactly why terrorism and taxes would go up. You simply gave a list of crimes in certain countries. Did you know that all the things you said happen here to? Please explain more on how everything will happen.
California did not go bankrupted simply because of immigrants; did you know that there are Whites on welfare? Also, the funny thing is that most of the people in government in California are indeed white! How come they did not fix it since they are so superior?
No one can predict the future, therefore you can not truly say that we are going to be overtaxed, assaulted or killed in a terrorist attacks if blacks or any race other th
Debate Round No. 2
PrinceOfTheFire

Pro

My definition of white is the definition that everyone uses, no one considers i.e. black albinos to be white. Anyways, it does not really make a difference as albinos are discriminated and killed in africa due to their skin color.
http://news.bbc.co.uk...
You seem to think that racism is racism only against blacks. Bad news, racism can occur against everyone else.
False premise: "blacks are not discriminated anymore, thus no one is being discriminated anymore"
tell that to the 30 000 white women that are raped every year in America by blacks
www.solargeneral.com/library/color-of-crime.pdf
Now THAT is racism.
Whites raping black women? zero percent
now... why would terrorism increase?
Terrorism is used as a method of warfare when a less powerful group is faced with an invasion that they cant resist by regular methods of warfare. Right now, the West is involved in a series of wars againt islamism in africa and asia. The western armies are obviously too powerful, so there is not way for the islamists to counterattack by traditional methods. Terrorism is the only option. Now, terrorism against our cities could be really difficult if they had no access to our territory, and could be limited to local attacks. But now, thanks to our open-borders liberal friends, we already have people from all over the world inside of our territory!!
with no open borders, the terrorist attacks of WTC, London and Madrid could have been impossible
things like the islamic riots in malmo and south france or the palestinian opened fire in fort hood could have never happened
EVERY TIME WE ARE INVOLVED IN A MILITAR ACTION SOMEWHERE WE WILL BE FACING ETHNIC DISORDERS AND POSSIBLE TERRORISM
now imagine the chaos that would start if we have a war with mexico or china, mexicans and chinese immigrants are far more numerous than muslims
People are dying because of this policy. Thousands of lives are being destroyed. Yet you expect whites not to vote against it
Koopin

Con

Sorry about the abrupt end in my last argument. I did not know about the lame 2000 Character limit.

Argument extended on white definition.

I know that blacks do discriminate against whites, but even that is dying.

You can not claim that white men have never raped black women without showing your proof. The very idea is absurd. some slave owners would purchase pretty black women only to raped them.

Blacks are not less powerful then whites, I find it funny you would say that. During the slavery times, it was the blacks who did most of the work!

You can not assume that just because some people do something, everyone is going to do it.

Let me ask you a question, why are blacks incapable of running the government?
Do you think they have a low IQ or something?
I would like to point out that Obama was more for pulling the troops out of Iraq than McCain ever was.

Something else to consider, you think for some reason that the moment whites become the minority that all blacks will kick them out of office.
The truth is that America is realizing that racism useless.
Also, for some reason you think that all black on white violence is racist. Did you know that when a black person rapes a white person, it usually is not for a racist reason.

If America was all Prowhite parties, they would treat other races like dirt.

I will now ask a few questions from you.

1. Do you think it is wrong that blacks voted for Obama just because he is their own race.
2. What is so good about white people that blacks do not have.
3. If you could have a law banning any other race from being in congress would you?
4. Why do you think whites are racist.
5. Why do you think blacks are racist.
Debate Round No. 3
PrinceOfTheFire

Pro

"blacks do discriminate against whites, but even that is dying"
It is increasing. Recently a whole family was beaten by a mob of blacks in Ohio. Such thing had never happened outside of South Africa before

"You can not claim that white men have never raped black women"
Never say that. The data in the PDF is from 1997. There obviously were rapes of black women by white men during the times of slavery, but it is a rare event now

"Blacks are not less powerful then whites"
Strawman. I never said that. I was talking about militar power AND islamists. Please read my argument again

"why are blacks incapable of running the government? Do you think they have a low IQ?"
Strawman. My argument is for whites to vote for prowhite candidates that would represent their interests, it has nothing to do with the ability of blacks to run the government

"Something else to consider, you think for some reason that the moment whites become the minority that all blacks will kick them out of office"
That is a very real probability. something similar already happened in South Africa

"If America was all Prowhite parties, they would treat other races like dirt"
Strawman. I never suggested that. Blacks are completely free to vote for their own pro-black candidates, just like they already do, the same with mexicans

so far:

* You have failed to support your arguments beyond logical fallacies like "because I say so", "It cant happen because I dont think it will happen" fallacies.

* You have failed to explain why the riots and/or gang violence that we now see in Malmo, Paris, California and London will not repeat itself once whites become minorities in the rest of the cities

* You have failed to put forward arguments to convince a normal white person that becoming a minority would be good for his interests

"I will now ask a few questions from you"
questions are not related to the debate. Please address the original
Koopin

Con

Still, you claim that racism is on the rise, then you just list one little come that happened! I ask for facts! Proof!

You did say that whites never rape blacks. You said it here,
"Whites raping black women? zero percent"

You claim strawman with what I said on blacks running government. So let me ask you another question. Are blacks perfectly capable of running in the government?

You claim the it is a very real probability that if whites become the minority,then whites will be kicked out of Office. Why? Why and how would that even happen?

"You have failed to support your arguments beyond logical fallacies like "because I say so", "It cant happen because I dont think it will happen" fallacies."
I beleive I am using common since, which most people have. Like I said before, I could get videos of White on black crime, but what would this do? There is no point of pointing fingers.

"You have failed to explain why the riots and/or gang violence that we now see in Malmo, Paris, California and London will not repeat itself once whites become minorities in the rest of the cities"

Easy, because we are all human. There's is violence wherever we turn. I find it funny that you assume America is perfect. Go to new york and spend time on the streets, get out of your little Kansas town.

"You have failed to put forward arguments to convince a normal white person that becoming a minority would be good for his interests"
I do not have to do this, it is unrelated to this debate. If white people are in office, there are still gonna become the minority.

To sum up this debate, the real reason whites should not vote on only white parties is because that is not what politics is about.

What if there is a white guy who wants to do nothing but sit on his butt, and a black guy who wants to ave America. When voting, you should vote on whom you think is a good choice, not who looks like you.

I ask you answer question 3, 4, and 5. They are related to the subject wh
Debate Round No. 4
PrinceOfTheFire

Pro

what you call "common sense" is horribly faulty logic

Common sense is the analysis of basic logical correlations that any human being can make. A typical example of common sense is

Yesterday I kicked a dog and it bit me
Today I kicked the dog and it bit me again
thus...
If I kick the dog tomorrow, it will bite me again

Contrary to common sense is insanity. Ben Franklin's the definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

for this example, insanity would be "If I kick the dog tomorrow, it will not bite me"

Now, in our case...
We allowed millions of nonwhites to settle in Paris, severe riots occurred and gang crime rose exponentially
We allowed millions of nonwhites to settle in Malmo, severe riots occurred and gang crime rose exponentially
the logical conclusion would be..
If we allow millions of nonwhites to settle in the rest of our cities, severe riots will occur and gang crime will rise exponentially

The typical american examples are Detroit after 1967, and Southern California, specially after the race riots of 1992. It is the origin of what we now call white flight
http://en.wikipedia.org...

but your illogical conclusion is that it will not happen, because we are all humans and we all can just get alone fine, which is obviously wrong, and have no basis in history
Human groups have never "get along fine", even when forced to share the same living space. In India, the low-level civil war between hindus and muslims continue to this day after 700 years of sharing the country, with periodic bombings by extremists, the same can be say of the Balkans, where 6 ethnic groups are deeply mixed, situation that has lead to over 9 wars, among them world war I, and many minor conflicts, the most recent in Kosovo, You obviously have never read any history, or you prefer to ignore it to forward your points, which is sad, because I could have debated a serious contender
Koopin

Con

You continue to ignore my points.

If all whites go to congress, whites would still become the minority, therefore your point would be useless.

You also continue to list simple violence that occurred in the past where racism simply played a part.

I am not saying that we will all just get along fine, but the fact is that we will continue, a free nation.

Humans fight not only because of racism, but because we are humans.

If only whites were in the office, then the whites would still fight against the whites.

There have been countless wars between the whites, what about the revolution?

The colonists fought because they wanted to be free from the British.

But the Brits continued to tell them that they could not run a country.

Should we ave given up because Britain was in a better position to govern us?

Is that common knowledge enough for you? If not, here is the link. http://en.wikipedia.org...

I find it odd that you list all the violence in other countries with blacks, but You have left out all the violence that happens in America!

Everyday people get rapped and beat to the ground, people are murdered, or on drugs.

You can not deny that America needs help, but the reason we do not see all the violence that we see in other countries is because of money.

We have the money to do our dirty work instead of us having to do anything physical.

Audience, my opponent has failed to defend all of his points, he has also fail to answer the questions that I asked.

In a debate you can not simply pick and chose what you want to rebut.

He has also ignored most of my Points.

For this reason I heavily urge a Con vote.

I would like to thank my opponent fr this interesting debate, and the audience for reading.

I encourage my opponent to look around, the world and try to see it another way, that we are all a lot of people who are in need of help.

We all are human, but with different c
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
lol, Anarcho
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 7 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
you talk about shared humanity and equal value of all people yet you simply ignore the right of self-determination and, in the case of Europe, the rights of indigenous people for cultural and ethnic preservation as expressed in the UN human rights chart
Posted by Anarcho 7 years ago
Anarcho
Something tells me PrinceOfTheFire was the guy that called into C-SPAN and said why don't they name it Black SPAN with all of the black people that call there.
Posted by feverish 7 years ago
feverish
"you antis always say that canard about prowhite activists yet you never explain... if we are ignorant of something, what is this thing that we are "ignoring"??? may be you can expand"

You are ignoring the shared humanity and equal value of all people.

I suppose I was using the term in the sense of closed minded and xenophobic but perhaps you're right that it wasn't the best choice of adjective to describe your opinions. Hateful is maybe more appropriate.
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 7 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
why would you want to be a white supremacists or a klanner? geezz... get real, mr. sarcasm
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 7 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
yes, the word limit was a problem. but it is my first debate I didnt know how to set it
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
PrinceOfTheFire, you have convinced me. I shall become a white supremacist! And I will go to every KKK meeting in GA.
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
I hate that word limit.
Posted by PrinceOfTheFire 7 years ago
PrinceOfTheFire
How misinformed you are

1) Slavery of black africans was started by the ottoman empire and tribal kings of congo, that then sold their slave to colonial empires and sultanates
2) You seem to assume that mongol, turks and arabs did not kill and slave entire white populations, see the recent case of the armenian genocide, and the mongol invasion of Eastern Europe where whole cities were destroyed and their inhabitants killed, the same with Constantinopla. The truth is that all the human groups have always tried to destroy each other, yet you seem to think that it is just whites that have invaded and taken over other countries.
3) Racially homogeneous societies lack racism, see Sweden before the start of the open borders policy. Your argument for mixing is very silly, because only when two races are mixed in the same territory racism can occur
4) rap does target white people. look for
--Apache, Apache Ain't ShP*t, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.
--Menace Clan, Da Hood,
1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was
called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.
--"A Fight"; Apache, Apache Ain't Sh*t, 1993, Tommy Boy Music,
Time Warner, USA.
--"Blood for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang
Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.
and many more

Obviously mcala7, you dont care if white people are killed or raped or something because you are not white. People all over the world vote along ethnic lines, only whites are not allowed, I guess you think southafrican blacks were idiots for voting for ANC, or indians were fools for voting for Gandhi and kicking out the british right???
Posted by mcala7 7 years ago
mcala7
"3 000 white farmers and their families have been brutally killed since the end of the apartheid, and gang rapes of whites are becoming an everyday thing"
Assuming that you refer to whites as European countries like britain, france, spain, germany, holland, and ireland. i dont no if you realize that your "white" people, exterminate native americans, enslaved africans, sold drugs to the chinese, exploited the pacific and india, ruined african soils, and white americans were the worst they knew slavery was wrong since the beginning of the nation and didnt end it till how many yeas later.

"No I dont like rap, I dont like violent lyrics that in many cases talk about killing whites"
rap doesnt target white people. if anything it only targets other black people. if you actually listen to it you would know
"Oops, it is even more. 96 % of BLACKS VOTE OBAMA. yet you come to argue that whites shall not vote for prowhite candidates? who is the hypocrite?" every black person who voted for obama bcuz he is black is stupid and shouldnt have voted. anyone who voted for mcain bcuz he is white is also stupid and shouldnt have voted. having two stupid ppl doesnt make either of you less stupid

"liberals are actually creating racism with their crazy open-borders policy"
your idea of keeping races separate is creating racism bcuz you are keeping races from mixing

anyone who is pro anything bcuz of their skin color is an idiot
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