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sudhanshukanoongo
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rajun
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winning is what matters whatever be the cost!

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/11/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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sudhanshukanoongo

Pro

We all want to win. Whether it"s our professional lives or personal, we all like to win. What makes us win should be our ability and attitude. However, some people think differently. For them, winning is what matters the most. They don"t care about what winning may cost them in future.

- With the competition we all experience today, winning is what matters.
- When people have no choice, they have to win- regardless of the cost.
- Winning makes you strong. It gives you a sense of confidence.
- Winning makes you competitive. Eventually, that helps you overcome the cost.
rajun

Con

I accept to debate against this topic but this debate should finish in 3 rounds...agreed.
Debate Round No. 1
sudhanshukanoongo

Pro

As the good old fashioned saying goes, no one and I mean no one, remembers second place. Nobody cares how much effort you may have put in and no one cares how close you possibly came; if you don&risqu";t actually win and attain victory, it means nothing. When you win, you matter and when you don’t win, you don’t matter- it is that simple.

The problem stems from the way our generation was raised, raised to believe the nonsense that we shouldn’t be selfish and that it is ok if we don’t perform well because we tried our best.
Society as a whole has stopped awarding the winners in life and started looking at them as the bad guys, simply because they have done better than we have, and because they might have a bit of an ego as a result of their success. Instead of worrying about them we should be focusing on ourselves and how we are going to excel in life.
The saddest thing in the world is a wasted talent and there is way too much wasted talent out there. We should be propelling people to actually do something with their lives and not to stop until they have ultimately become winners in their respective industries.
Society tries to create a path for people to follow that will lead them to being only average. It is up to you to break through those pedestrian thoughts and go against the status quo. You can call them whatever names you’d like, but in the end a winner is a winner.
Winning should be your one and only goal. People might hate you for that, but that’s their problem- not yours. Whoever doesn’t think winning is a big deal clearly has always been on the losing team. Nobody cares about your journey, your sleepless nights or the time you ate ramen noodles and peanut butter for dinner.at the end of the day winners win loosers loose!
rajun

Con

Thank you Pro, for your arguments...

"As the good old fashioned saying goes, no one and I mean no one, remembers second place. Nobody cares how much effort you may have put in and no one cares how close you possibly came; if you don&risqu";t actually win and attain victory,"

Dear Pro, The only thing that matters in life is happiness and it is not something which others can give you by giving you an applause after you win a race. Happiness is an internal and self feeling which comes when you satisfy yourself and not others. It might be that people have not remembered someone because he came second but does it actually matter if he is actually satisfied? My point here is that, Is everyone out there taking life as nothing but a competition, equally skilled? The answer is obviously not! So, If one knows that someone else is a better artist than him, it is abvious that the competition will be won by the other person. In such a case, the man can have two ideologies,

1) I have to win. I need to win because others will remember my name. I need to win, no matter by what means.
2) I know he is better, I am satisfied by the fact that I have tried my best and come second.

Which ideology will help the person in future? Not the first one of-course! It doesn't matter if you have won or losed but what matters is that you satisfy yourself and live a happy life.

" When you win, you matter and when you don’t win, you don’t matter- it is that simple."

Is it? Which person matters in a class? The one who tops the exams and is very intelligent or the one who is friendly and loved by everyone because of his attitude? Which person matters in a workplace? The boss who has won that position by unfair means and has a negative and cunning attitude or the one who has a warm attitude and likes encouraging and helping evryone instead of thinking how to push one down so that he might not be able to go ahead of him in the race of life? This people who matter might not be the winners but they matter more than the winners. The people remember the ones who do something for the society but not the ones who won the race and ruled it. How many people can tell me, Who was the 6th president of India? Very few but only a few people don't know who is Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King Junior. Dear Pro, It doesn't matter if one wins or loses, what matters is the satisfaction one can give to himself and the society.

"Society as a whole has stopped awarding the winners in life and started looking at them as the bad guys, simply because they have done better than we have, The saddest thing in the world is a wasted talent and there is way too much wasted talent out there."

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life is an echo, what you give is what you get."-english proverb

Society has and always will stop awarding winners if winning always requires unfair means as the topic of the debate suggests. In this world, there is a universal rule of CAUSE & EFFECT. AS, the quote suggest, If one has kicked others, used unfair means and has pushed everyone down to win a position, it is sure that he himself is going to be treated the same way by the society. That will not make his life pleasant but only disturbing. Yes, there is way too much wasted talent out there but is it because of the ideology "Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is (a)" ?? No. It is because people think that winnin in the race of life is everything and use unfair means such as bribes to attain a position which not they but someone else deserves. This ideology of winning is nonsense instead of the ideology of trying.

(a) http://www.quotes-clothing.com...

"Society tries to create a path for people to follow that will lead them to being only average. It is up to you to break through those pedestrian thoughts and go against the status quo.Winning should be your one and only goal. People might hate you for that, but that’s their problem- not yours."

Society never creates such a path. Instead society helps someone to become great. Think about it, It is only the people who believe that winning is what matters and don't want others to get past them, that push other people behind and hate them. It is for us to do something for the society and not the society to do something for us. Pedestrian thoughts is the thought of" winning the race of life" and not of "trying one's best." It is for us to do something for the society and win hearts. To satisfy oneself and live life happily.

" Nobody cares about your journey, your sleepless nights or the time you ate ramen noodles and peanut butter for dinner.at the end of the day winners win loosers loose!"

" When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang." Jefferson Monticello

The goal is what everyone is mistaken about. The goal is not to win but keep up the position you have reached. The one's who win by unfair means try to tie a knot and hang on but the society never allows them. Winners may smile for the day or as you say, till the end of the day but when they rise up the next morning, they find problems created by the society for them leading their lives to a living problem. Think about it, If winning leads to this then is the time, energy and brain for such unfair means to win worth it?? Or is it better to have a quality life and do something for the society to have satisfaction and happiness?


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Think about it friends, Is it worth it to win a position if you won't get the respect for it? and moreover, that position will not bring you happiness but problems. Winning isn't worth it when you have the society disagreeing with your unfair means. The real thing that matters is the happiness and quality of one's life and it is not necessary that winning gives it.

Debate Round No. 2
sudhanshukanoongo

Pro

There are two types of people in this world, the winners and the losers.

If you strive to be anything in this world and want to have your name remembered for centuries to come, remember that it won"t happen unless you win. If you"re just doing the bare minimum in order to get by and hope that one day you"ll get lucky, you"ll never get lucky. You will never win.

People don"t remember the losers. No matter how much greatness you have accomplished, unless you are currently winning and continue winning, no one will remember you. People forget the past very quickly. This is why it is one of the most important factors of life.
Look at all the great coaches that have been fired because of a bad season. No one ever remembers their previous great seasons when they won almost every game- they only remember the last terrible one.
You need to be obsessed with winning because it truly is the only thing that matters in this world. No one remembers the Winklevoss twins or John McCain, they remember Mark Zuckerberg and Barack Obama. Competition is everything in this world and unless you are better than the person sitting next to you, you are not a winner.

Life is pretty simple; we are all savages all looking to become winners and will do whatever it takes. Some cheat, some put in the hard work, some get it, some don"t. But those who are remembered don"t just win once in their life but keep on winning. What matters in this world is to turn out a winner, so unless you"re on the right path you"ll need to reprioritize.
Simply figure out what it takes to win and then do it. Never stop until you"ve done it. In the end, only the winners will be remembered. Life is simple: winners win, losers lose.

now in answer of your questions i would like to say you that is respect going to earn you bread and butter or will give you a cozy life? CERTAINLY NOT! but winning would lead you to the steps of success and in the light of respect issues, money brings everything including respect(atleast in front of yourself)
rajun

Con

Thank you, pro. For your arguments but I do not think you have rebutted any of my arguments. Never mind...


"If you strive to be anything in this world and want to have your name remembered for centuries to come, remember that it won"t happen unless you win No one remembers the Winklevoss twins or John McCain, they remember Mark Zuckerberg and Barack Obama.."

and that is why no one remembers the 6th president of India but everyone knows who is Mahatma Gandhi?Again, I want to stress on the point that no one requires others consent to be happy in life.I am very sorry to say that, Pro has not read all of my arguments. Winners stay in minds but the ones who give something to the society, stay in hearts, forever. Barrack Obama is known now, after a century his name will not be remembered, even if he is a winner and John Mccain a loser. If this statement is not true then go on asking who was the 7th president of USA or India or any other country in the world and only a few will answer but ask who is Martin Luther King junior...Only something that satisfies one's heart can bring him happiness and it is not necessary that winning does it.


"Look at all the great coaches that have been fired because of a bad season. No one ever remembers their previous great seasons when they won almost every game- they only remember the last terrible one."

This is a diversion from the actual topic. The topic is not "you must win everytime." Still as a rebuttal, A coach that was fired because of a bad season? I do not know one. Ok, lets say that one actually got fired.What then? People forget that man? What then? Ah...umm..What??? The coach if has a positive attitude will always know that he was a good one and cherish the moments when they won. He will find inner-peace and happiness will flood in his heart...And if the coach was actually great, he will actually get a job elsewhere...and if he was not great but came into that position just by unfair means, then society and life will hit him back...

"Life is pretty simple; we are all savages all looking to become winners and will do whatever it takes. Some cheat, some put in the hard work, some get it, some don"t. "

Will do whatever it takes? I have said before too that life has a law of CAUSE & EFFECT. If someone tries to win by taking costly steps, he sure has to pay in the end and that by no means will give a person a happy and cozy life as described by Pro. "Some put in hard work" is no matter related with this debate and according to me, the ones who put hard work to win are deservant. "some get it, some don't" according to pro's side of the debate, the ones who don't are supposed to cry over their not winning and becoming losers and try to bring down the deservant winners by using unfair means...but if these people, putting in their hardwork, fail to win, is it that it is their fault or is it that the path in which they were putting their hardwork was not with accordance to their skill? If everyone races to be succesful engineers, can a job be found for everyone? Obviously not. The jobs are limited but the common flock do not understand this and go on to "win" in their life instead of falling back and asking,"am i right in doing this?". If people have the ideology that winning doesn't actually matter, they will definitely fall back and take the path where the money ight be low but the happiness that the work will give them, will flourish in their heart and the turmoil f winning and losing will forbid. If one has the skill of tailoring and this gives him happiness then why should he run after "winning" in his life which is getting enough money as described by Pro? and it is furthermore possible that the man having skill in that area may grow on to be a professional earning a lot of money as well! Wasted talent not because of not running after "winning" in life but because of running after "winning" in life.(a)

(a)http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

"Simply figure out what it takes to win and then do it. Never stop until you"ve done it. In the end, only the winners will be remembered. Life is simple: winners win, losers lose."

Figure out what it takes to win. According to the topic of this debate, winning should take a lot of cheating and in a practical sense, bribes. Once you hang on to that position of winning, what do you notice? That both society and life is hitting you on the face. You grow a frown on your head. Your blood pressure increases. What if Barrack Obama(a winner acoording to Pro) faces the media and the truth that he has done hundreds of dirty tricks? Will his prestigious position or loads of money save him? Nope. What does this example prove? That winning is not what matters in one's life but quality of one's life does. In the long run, even Usain Bolt will be forgotten let alone Michael Philips. How many know PT Usha? She is a winner. The ones who do something for the welfare of Earth and its beings are forever remembered.

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now in answer of your questions i would like to say you that is respect going to earn you bread and butter or will give you a cozy life? CERTAINLY NOT! but winning would lead you to the steps of success and in the light of respect issues, money brings everything including respect(atleast in front of yourself)"

Is that what life is all about? A cozy life? Money? If yes, then go ask Bill gates if he lives a cozy and peaceful life...He will reply the negative.(b) Why? because just money, respect and fame can't give a man his happiness...Pro says that contributing to the society will not give us a nice life...I ask will "winning" in life by using whatever means give us the peace and happiness? No. We will see that the society is criticising and hitting us on our face. No one will like you let alone show you respect. What use is the respect which is show? Today there is money, if tomorrow you go bankrupt, will the people showing respect help you? NO!!! They will pull you down and you will be erased from history. No one will remember you. But, when you go for fair hardwork and have an awesome attitude in life, use your skill right and don't go after "winning", I doubt that you will go bankrupt or Miserable..let alone the fact that people will ignore you...

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IN CONCLUSION

I will again like to say that a person, to be happy, neither needs the consent of others or needs to be remembered nor the respect and money. Because nothing of the above will you take with you when you are in your deathbed. Winning by whatever means will lead to a bad impression on the society which will surely hit you back and will not let you live a happy and cozy life. But if you do not run after "winning" and follow your heart and skill, you will live a happy and peaceful life.

Thank you

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Dear voters, we (pro and con) have agreed to end this debate in three rounds.

Debate Round No. 3
sudhanshukanoongo

Pro

sudhanshukanoongo forfeited this round.
rajun

Con

This is bad...I have not made my opponent wait till the clock countdowns....It makes me angry!
Debate Round No. 4
sudhanshukanoongo

Pro

sudhanshukanoongo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Juan_Pablo 4 years ago
Juan_Pablo
There's an inherent danger in treating life as a competition. There's going to be losers, and if they value winning above all else too, there's going to be unavoidable societal problems.

People should worry about quality of life rather than about winning and beating out others.
Posted by Juan_Pablo 4 years ago
Juan_Pablo
Interesting debate. For me winning is certainly not everything. What matters to me is the quality of my life and whether I'm happy or not.

I've lost too many times to worry about the uselessness of beating others in a competition.
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Ragnar
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