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with all due respect dude i dont have a clue where youre coming from

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everything you post is basically damming all of man and telling people we are invisible wave lengths and deceived cause we don't understand how dammed we are and that you're a saint and you're good to go

Romans 3:23 all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god
mark 2 17 And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
1 timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

i honestly have no idea where youre coming from and why you think what you do if youre basing it off of the bible, but im interested to hear your viewpoint


Christians always use these scriptures that all men have sinned. We saints all know we were born sinners into this world but at some point in our lives, God begans His work in us to cleanse us from all unrighteousness ( makes us sinless ) through the repentance, forgiveness, justification and glorification processes that only God can perform in our flesh.

In order for God to do this, He has to come into our mind ( which is the mind of God where we all exist ) and let us know who He is. He let me know on December 8th of 1979, who He was by putting this thought in my mind, "I AM YOUR CREATOR". This is the point of faith that is given to us saints to get our attention and let us know who He is. Each time He comes back to perform some work on our flesh, we know who He is because we have "faith" in Him, which means we know the invisible God without seeing Him.

No man will ever see our Creator or who we are because we're made of invisible energy which was spoken into existence. Energy wavelengths vibrate differently from each other so they are bits of information from the mind of our Creator, God. This energy is who we are and what gives us life experiences.

I don't need any scriptures to share this information with to those God chose to listen to our testimonies ( called believers in the scriptures ). I uses scriptures to prove to Christians that they have no knowledge of God like us saints have to interpret the prophecies. Christians are sinners who are blocked ( veil in their minds ) from the knowledge of God ( which is the invisible Christ and our created existence ). Everything God created except His delusion to deceive His people ( Lucifer and the beast ), came out of the invisible energy ( Christ ). We saints speak directly from this "Christ" that we were created as.

You can see how many prophecies and new testament scriptures I've used in this forum but still doesn't help any unbelievers learn about the things I know within my mind ( mind of God ). Only believers will listen and if you're a true believer, you won't reject anything I'm writing or speaking. If you reject this writing, then you may not be a believer but that isn't proof yet, that you're an unbeliever. I've had people reject my testimonies at first but later on, came to believe in them, which happens to be in the gospel I preach ( the Voice of God ).

I don't argue with anyone because how can a lying unbeliever argue with the Truth. The Truth is our Creator because He's the only thing that's real. Everything else is invisible energy wavelengths that have no definition until they're processed through our being, which happens to be our brain. Our brain is the processor of His wavebits of energy that God created for each of us to give us a defined world to experience life in. Unprocessed energy is like information in a CD-Rom. It needs a program to put this information into a form we can understand. So God's eternal plan is the program for all His creation and He planned everything before anything was created. Why would He just speak random bits of information into existence without having a plan to put it all together in a way that we experience as harmonious life that we can understand as a whole?
Debate Round No. 1


to begin with i do not understand

you say you are sinless
the bible says that:
"We are all infected and impure with sin. When we put on our prized robes of righteousness we find they are but filthy - rags." Is. 64:5, 6
Ecclesiastes 7: 20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous,
no one who does what is right and never sins
.and these are the words of a prophet, a "saint" so to speak, named Isaiah, and Solomon the wisest man that has ever lived

Gods grace doesn't make us perfect it makes us new
and even if you were sinless it would be meaningless
-Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith"and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God"

Secondly if you shared these thoughts and feelings of god that would make you God,
-gen 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

and if you shared the consciousness of God you would reflect what God was like,
humble to a fault and coming as a servant to all
- Proverbs 15:33
The fear of the LORD is the instruction for wisdom, And before honor comes humility.
-John 3:16 for god so love the world he gave his only son so that whomever shall beleive in him shall not perish but find eternal life

And if you are a chosen one a saint as you call it then you would meet the criteria:
Colossians 3:12
Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience

And with all due respect though i feel you are misguided but by no means a terrible person
you also have every tell tale sign of a false prophet
(1) in distracting believers from the truth of the gospel
(2) to replace the call of god with their own
(3) attempt to gain control of the whole church
(5) spread false reports about spiritual leads
all of this is laid down in Galations 7-12 which i'm sure you're familiar with

I understand that you feel God speaks with you and shows you signs and explains mysteries to you, but if it isnt in line with the word it cant be from god, because God is in the word.

Its like talking about an apple saying
an apple is only:red it grows on trees and you can make pies out of it
and then later someone telling you an apple has 3 legs

regardless of if that's true or not, it just not an apple any more and how could you be hearing from a god that contradicts himself, if he is in the word and he contradicts himself then that's a self defeating statement, and god would not be god,

And in regards to science you say that we are wave lengths of energy. which is like saying an ocean is molecules of water,
but a wavelength one that is capable to create or destroy like light, also has mass and is also a particle, you say that there is no matter but if there are wavelengths then there is matter cause the wavelengths you speak of contain mass

And bits of information is to say that the complexities of life can be broken down into 1 and 0's and though we can create massive computers to use these to explain vast equations and store enormous amounts of data, a universe which operates not just on a 3 dimensional axis but has to freedom to exist withing as many dimensions as possible could not be simplified with what we consider 1 or 0 on or off, even the most simple idea would have to operate on 3, 4, 5, 6, dimensions just to explain anything whatsoever.

the bible teaches gods followers to be humble, not "wise in their own estimations" and do everything with "edification in the church"

I know you feel strongly about what you have seen and heard, and i believe there are great things God has in store for you, however: i feel you may have interpreted it the wrong way.

God has never called anyone to be proud or sure of themselves or to rely on their own wisdom, yet you do
-the bible says the church is his body, yet you seek to destroy it as it is, "there is no servant greater than its master", in doing this you are against God

I too beleive God has a plan for this world, I dont know exactly what that is I do believe he has done everything for his Glory because he is God
I believe we are here to worship him with our lives, and he has given us the free will not to, because it. means nothing for an all powerful God to force people to do anything
I believe this world has wickedness in it but i believe God has placed us here to stand against the tide, and spread his light where we can, not to condemn them because that is not why God sent his own son

I know you choose not to argue because we non saints cant see the truth and the ones who can will just see it, but thats a double standard and an absolute that God does not operate in, if you do not show love to this world then you are not of him, and if you are not of him you are of satan

Perhaps some of the things you see is from the one who from the beginning has been trying to sell a "truth" for the cost of life, the way its meant to be, God is truth and anything that is separate or different from that truth is not of god

im not trying to bash you and make you feel bad im just trying to understand you and any more input you have would be appreciated, i dont fully understand where youre comming from, and if i can do anything to help you understand these signs and visions id like to help, and anything else that youd want to talk about


For one thing, you quote scriptures out of context. This means you are quoting them from a sinner's point of view who uses scriptures to defend the fears you have from not knowing the Truth. All Christians are sinners going all the way back to the first believers of the gospel that we saints preach.

We saints were born under the old covenant that all God's people are born into so we know that we're sinners to begin with. I was a sinner for 54 years before God finished His work to remove the sinful "veil" that was blocking me from His knowledge that I was created as. This is why I know things today. So these scriptures that Christians use about everyone being a sinner fits the knowledge of God that I possess within my spirit. In fact, all the original prophecies and writings by the saints all came from the knowledge of God ( Christ ). This is why I understand all the prophecies of the old testament and the original writings of the other saints that were used by the religious Romans to produce their new testament.

Since I'm on the subject of the new testament, the books that were used by the Romans for this part of their Bible are NOT the original writings of the saints who were killed by the Roman government. It wouldn't make sense for Rome to kill all the saints and then use their original writings of invisible heavenly things that came out of the knowledge of God that no sinful man could understand.

There were many Christ-like religious groups that formed during the time the saints were preaching the gospel, starting with the first saint that Christians think is their god called Jesus. The saints knew about these anti-christs and false prophets stealing their spoken words from the gospel they preached and starting their own movements. Thousands of saints existed in the first three centuries who all had the knowledge of God that I possess so I know what they had to go through in order to speak for our Creator. The gospel is the voice of God so when we speak of invisible heavenly things that come from the knowledge of God ( Christ ), the Truth ( the name our Creator calls Himself ) can be heard by chosen believers but not by chosen unbelievers. This was all planned by our Creator to get rid of the flesh of His saints after He's done using us to testify to our created existence called Christ, which has other names to describe us called the Word, Kingdom of God, Son of God, Light, Eternal Life, Holy Spirit, and many other biblical names that God had us write down as written testimonies.

Written testimonies are easily changed by antichrists and false prophets so this is why the gospel has to be spoken and heard by believers, many of them were chosen future saints who also had to hear the Truth in the gospel that other saints spoke. The reason for the spoken Word instead of writings was that the written Word was for us saints to learn the invisible knowledge of God in our own language. So the writings are personal testimonies, not something that believers needed to read. Most believers couldn't understand the things we write about because they don't have the knowledge of God that saints possess. God only gave believers enough information to hear Him speak in the gospel we preach so they become friends of ours. The information that believers have is heard by us saints and used by God to clarify the invisible knowledge that no flesh of man can see.

Think of the knowledge of God as a picture in the mind of a painter that no man can see until the picture is painted on a canvas. This knowledge of God is the invisible "Christ" where all God's creation exists as wavelengths of energy. The Word is the first invisible machine ( God's voicebox ) that was created by God to speak His thoughts into wavelengths of energy, which are bits of information that needs to be processed to get a world we can see, hear, taste, smell, touch and emotionally feel. So the picture in the mind of a painter before he paints it on canvas is just like the invisible "Christ" that can't be seen by the flesh of man until it is painted by our Creator.

In order for us human beings to experience a visible world, the wavelengths of energy that makes up our created existence has to be processed into information we can understand. God made a brain for each of His beings, whether it be human beings or animals, to process these wavebits of energy into energy we can see, which happens to be atomic elements that are like pixels that are used to give us pictures on a computer monitor. However, the atoms appear on the retina's in the back of our eyes, which are just like computer monitors. The processed wavelengths of energy make the atoms ( like pixels ) change in size, color, etc. to give us pictures we can understand, but only with the information called light to illuminate the atoms that we see on our retina's. This is how God gives us the visible world.

Hearing, tasting, smelling, touching and emotional feelings don't need atomic elements. This is all done by vibrations of the wavelengths of energy to give us these experiences. All our senses were created by God but during this first age, we weren't made with perfect senses. We're all born under the plan of Lucifer ( also called satan, devil, serpent, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, cheribum and the flaming sword, the wicked, antichrist, false prophet, sin nature, etc. ), so our flesh was made to deceive each other. This means we all were born with imperfect senses and flesh of all colors and variations to make us compare each other. This is only a part of God's delusion. Everything in this world we perceive was meant to deceive us from who we truly are in Christ. By making us human beings focus on the visible world and the other senses we have in our imperfect flesh, He could keep us from understanding that we were created as invisible energy ( God's stored thoughts ).

It was impossible for God to teach us beings how He created us as invisible energy without having man build things to help us understand our invisible created existence. This is why the plan called the "beast" was put into place after the flood. For the first time, the stars, moon, sun and planets were exposed to man's eyes, which is just invisible wavelengths of energy put into atoms that give us pictures on our retina's. These visible white dots in the sky was how God trained men to look at them and imagine connecting them with lines between the dots ( stars ). This gave man building shapes such as squares, rectangles, triangles, intersections, obtuse angles, etc. for making building plans.

Remember, God is the Creator of everything so man can't create his own thoughts. God is the one who put pictures in the chosen leaders ( chief architects ) to visualize building shapes and have them draw them onto the ground or cavern walls at first, then later, when God had them make paper, He could have them drawn on paper and store them in books. These building plans were needed in order for man to build buildings ( false gods ) that resemble the gods they saw in the sky as building shapes ( star constellations ). These chief architects who were thought to be the creator of all these buildings, were exalted by people who admired their creations, although they had no idea that our Creator was the one who taught men how to do everything.

So the mark of the beast on the forehead and hands of men, which you can read about in Revelation, are the thoughts given in the chief architects mind as pictures that no man could see until those plans were built with human hands, which are moved by the invisible wavelengths of energy that God created them with. Man had no idea how he was created. He thought that he was created in the womb of women called mothers, which is what we think as reality. Reality to us is what we experience in the flesh but reality to our Creator is Himself, since everything else is created within His mind as stored thoughts. ( continued later ).
Debate Round No. 2


Sorry for getting back to this so late;

To begin with if i am using scriptures of of context could you please explain to me how, and where. And also i do not feel i quote them out of a spirit of fear, God is clear that his truth (the bible) drives out fear.

First i don't understand you say that God has shown you a secret truth however every idea and vision you say hes given you are all based off of ideas that have been around for a long time, with little things changed

like your ideas about the bible and Rome, and the roman catholic church, are the basic ideas of old Judaism, however there is no evidence to support that Rome essentially wrote the new testament especially b/c of the fact that it speaks out against Rome itself so much and assumes Jesus as gods son in a time when, the roman leadership were worshiper and considered gods and saw Jesus as a threat,
and yes many Christians were persecuted during that time, but thousands still die every day and they were persecuted before Christ too, to say that Rome killed all the "saints" would be to say Hitler killed all the Jews

The idea that God would create people or "saints" that he would speak through is also condemned throughout the bible, in the old and new testament, its was an idea held by pharisees and the early catholic church and many pagan sects, such as the religion of the gals. The bible is very clear that there is no man or race, through which god speaks he speaks through many things, through the heart of man Psalm 27:8, his word 2 Timothy 3:16, (ect)

And the ideas you have about life and us being wavelength and bits of information is also nothing knew. It is at best a simple and distorted view of the theory of quantum mechanics which states
-for one that an object could be in multiple places at a time like a prism refracts light and we see yellow red and blue in different places, because our brain and eyes process it that way an object could be in multiple places just like that white light
-for two it also focuses on sub atomic or very small particles, so small they appear to vanish in and out of existence itself or are created and destroyed in a shorter amount of time that can be measured, and these particles are in the very building blocks of everything
-saying were made of wavelengths of energy is like saying a desert is made out of silicon dioxide (sand)
-invisible for a human is also a loose term there are ultra violet and gamma rays and may other kind of rays can only measure, our visible light spectrum is like a sliver of the light we could see (that we know of)
as for your ideas about god creating architects and the signs and symbols of the last days follow very simply and again distorted reflects the views of the free masons society, which by rumor have ties to the knights Templar's and broke away from the catholic church, had a major role in the forming of america and follow strange almost pagan rituals in meetings and are clouded in symbols and believe in "architects" that god has created as they were formed allegedly from the upper class architects from the temple of Solomon.

It seems that all of the notions and ideas you have have already been made by man and have been around for a while, does it make any sense to you that God would reveal a truth no man could understand if men, christian, agnostic and atheist alike would be able to understand it for some time now. Would God who was trying to reveal a truth to you do nothing but point out what was already there?

You haven't yet helped me clear up why everything you say is textbook to the "t" what a false prophet would say as described in the bible

Furthermore there is no more than conspiracy theories to support the roman empire botched the words of the bible, it is the single most scrutinized analyzed book ever written and there is little to know proof showing its original writing differ in great ways to the modern day standardized versions, aside from a short list of versus that need to be re-translated in context.

I just still dont understand what God did show you, it seems like a jumbled confused mixture of Judaism, quantum mechanics free masonry and roman catholic undertones taken to a very far side of the spectrum

Most importantly the bile in no where ever supports any man glorifying himself as a "saint" or trusting that his knowledge is far superior to his underlings. and not Christianity or many other religions would even support the idea that you are above people in this world. Such is the common ideas of regimes tyrants and men whom try to fear people into believing and joining them,

if you want to lead people and be effective in Gods work, you must be the purest person you can be, which includes being humble, and you must lead with love and respect for those you desire to teach/ lead,

saying "we saints" understand the truth and chosen unbelievers cannot see it. is not from God that the same kind of twist to the truth that told eve "you will not surely die".
A lie that is based loosely off the truth is the easiest to believe and remember with accuracy, don't you think its possible that you aren't hearing from god instead you're hearing something that may be based off of truth, but isn't. A slither in your ear so to speak

I understand you have sacrificed for this "truth" and i can respect that, ik god works in mysterious ways and I will always be open to the idea that i don't have everything right, but i will search for the truth and i will trust that the bible is truth, the love letter from god himself and the way that me and my family will follow.

For god did not come into the world to condemn the world but to save the world John 3:17

"in this world it seems that all the "saints" are gone, and there's just us sinners to do the work that needs to be done"


As long as you trust the Bible as the truth, you will never know the Truth in this age.

The religious Jews trusted the prophecies they read, not the spoken Word that Jesus preached to them.

Only saints have the knowledge of God to understand all the religious lies that the religious Jews and Romans added to the scriptures. Jesus was the first saint to understand the invisible knowledge that we prophets and saints were created as. What we write and speak are testimonies of who we really are so when Jesus spoke to the Pharisees, he knew they didn't have the knowledge of God that he possessed and what the future saints would possess. They didn't realize the true "Word of God" was the invisible "Christ" where all of God's creation existed. The prophets didn't have this knowledge, either, because they were still under the Old Covenant that kept them from this knowledge of God, despite them being the same person ( Holy Spirit ) as us saints. Here's what he said to the Pharisees who trusted in their own interpretations of the prophecies they believed was the true Word of God;

John 5
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
41: I do not receive glory from men.
42: But I know that you have not the love of God within you.
43: I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
44: How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
45: Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; it is Moses who accuses you, on whom you set your hope.
46: If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote of me.
47: But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

What Jesus meant by this is they didn't have the knowledge of God to interpret the prophecies correctly. They were waiting for a physical Messiah to come and give them back their land ( Israel ) that their ancestors obtained back in the times of Moses. They didn't realize that the "Messiah" was the invisible knowledge of God that was being spoken by all us saints.

I understand this next line of scripture because the flesh is only an illusion that comes from the invisible Kingdom of God that we saints speak from.

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Christians don't have the knowledge of God to understand what a saint is or what we know because they're all sinners and not "born again" saints who went through the process of confession, repentance, justification and glorification to obtain the knowledge of God, our created existence.

I don't have to argue with believers because they listen to the gospel I preach. If they start to argue, I stop the lies that are being placed in their mind to get them to focus on our Creator who is speaking to them through the gospel, which is the Voice of God. This is called rebuking. I can't rebuke believers in these forums because they have time to focus on their religious lies in their mind instead of the Creator who speaks to them in my testimonies. It is much better to use a program like Skype to preach the gospel to you so I can rebuke your lying thoughts so you can focus on the message ( Messiah ) in my spoken testimony.

Unbelievers can't hear the Messiah ( message from our Creator ) in our spoken Word so they argue with God and reject Him. This is why these prophecies exist;

Amos 8
11: "Behold, the days are coming," says the Lord GOD, "when I will send a famine on the land; not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.
12: They shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to east; they shall run to and fro, to seek the word of the LORD, but they shall not find it.

Jeremiah 6
10: To whom shall I speak and give warning, that they may hear? Behold,their ears are closed, they cannot listen; behold, the word of the LORD is to them an object of scorn, they take no pleasure in it.

John 15
18: "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
19: If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
25: It is to fulfil the word that is written in their law, `They hated me without a cause.

2 Corinthians 3;
14: But their minds were hardened; for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.
15: Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds;
16: but when a man turns to the Lord the veil is removed.
17: Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18: And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Luke 6
22: "Blessed are you when men hate you and when they exclude you and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, on account of the Son of man!,

1 John 4
4: Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
5: They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them.
6: We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

1 John 5
19: We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one.
20: And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding,

Psalm 34
21: Evil shall slay the wicked; and those who hate the righteous will be condemned.
22: The LORD redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned

Psalm 38
19: Those who are my foes without cause are mighty, and many are those who hate me wrongfully.
20: Those who render me evil for good are my adversaries because I follow after good.

Psalm 41
5: My enemies say of me in malice: "When will he die, and his name perish?"
6: And when one comes to see me, he utters empty words, while his heart gathers mischief; when he goes out, he tells it abroad.
7: All who hate me whisper together about me; they imagine the worst for me.

Psalm 44
7: But thou hast saved us from our foes, and hast put to confusion those who hate us.

Amos 5
10: They hate him who reproves in the gate, and they abhor him who speaks the truth.

Jeremiah 7
27: "So you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not listen to you. You shall call to them, but they will not answer you.
28: And you shall say to them, `This is the nation that did not obey the voice of the LORD their God, and did not accept discipline; truth has perished; it is cut off from their lips.

Proverbs 13
1: A wise son hears his father's instruction, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke.

Jeremiah 15:
15: Behold, I am bringing upon you a nation from afar, O house of Israel, says the LORD. It is an enduring nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language you do not know, nor can you understand what they say.

This last prophecy shows that no sinner will understand the "Messiah" that we speak to them. Not even believers have this knowledge but at least they were chosen by God to believe our message, which is the Voice of God where Truth is heard.
Debate Round No. 3


You say that the bible is not truth yet you used it to support your claims however nearly every scripture you've referenced is either directly against what you are trying to say or is completely about something different ill go over some of them but i do not have space for all of them
John 5 37 -45
this chapter has nothing to do with them (the pharisees) not possessing some knowledge, the problem was is that they had too much of it, the chapter focuses on their lack of relationship to God and that they chose what to listen to, earlier in the chapter Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath, which was against the rules the pharisees had established.
In Mathew 16:19 it talks about binding and loosing, referring to the authority God gave his people to as a whole talk about interpret discuss and live through the scriptures. The church Gods body, is meant to be a group of people doing life together through Christ. The bible is Gods word, and understanding it is supposed to be a global collaboration between Christians.
However the pharisees and the "saints" you seem to be a part of, tore this down, and they said that they were the only ones to interpret what God meant. Each rabbi had a "yoke" or a list of their own commandments and to be under their rabbi-ship and not an outcast, you had to follow it. (A yoke is also the large wooden bar along an oxen (like a cow) back, a weight, that is pulled and used to control them, just like a rabis list of rules) These rules were sometimes strict some would say you cant work on the Sabbath (now Sunday) and some took it to the extreme that you cannot leave your bed on the Sabbath.
The thing is these pharisees were too caught up in the authority they conjured up to see that he was the son of man. This verse illustrates the prophesies that when the messiah came he would be hated and rejected and that he would speak with authority over all peoples, It is not a chapter to illustrate some alter truth that he would only reveal to the most holy men like these pharisees claimed to be and you claim to be as well. Righteousness without humility which you frankly show none of is not righteousness in Gods eyes
1 John 4 4 5 6
honestly this chapter directly calls out word for word what you are doing
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
You do not believe Christ was the messiah but you say he was a saint/ the first saint even though you say the old testament was written by the saints but they were all killed by the Romans even though they weren't as largely persecuted until after his death and the new testament was Roman propaganda and not inspired by God yet you quote it to support your argument and you leave out certain parts about Christ being Gods son. And if that were true than the Romans wouldn't of written about it because he called out the roman empire and their officials and they would forever be looked down on for sentencing him to death
jeremiah 5: 15,
this is a quote in Jeremiah to Judah warning them what will happen to them the chapter talks about bringing nations against them, and fire and arrows and they will speak a language you do not know, and devour their crops and livestock. This is foreshadowing exactly what happened historically the upper and lower nations of upper Israel were taken over occupied and exiled by the Babylonians, one of the oldest nations in existence, who spoke a different language, in those days your language you spoke was not just words it was your nation, and just like you stand up for your nation you stand up for your words, if the language survived in the sense it was spoken openly then you did not destroy and conquer the nation you just may have occupied it. This chapter is about god decimating this area b/c of how they acted for centuries after, god brought them to this land and gave them victory wealth and prosperity to have them throw it back in its place,
The bible literally no where supports your claim that there are any people that God will set apart to understand his mysteries and his plan. There were however; men of the old testament, Moses, Solomon, Abraham, ect that he gave great insight. And Solomon had greater wisdom than any man before or after him, but even he in the book of ecclesiastics, and the psalms he wrote was very humbled and for the record not the holy sinless kind of man you claim saints to be. And he understood more than you or me ever will.
The new testament does say that certain people will have a gift to understand the scriptures and some will have great mercy or leadership or generosity ect. But this was to shape a church, a body of believers to be effective in this world and go though life together as sinners, it was never meant to set anybody apart or to call themselves "saints".
It can be said that the entire old testament which you hold above the new testament as truth is a foreshadowing to Chirst and his life. All of the old testament prophesies of the messiah were met and met in one man Jesus Christ. Who you set yourself on the same level with since you are apparently both "saints". Which is directly called out in the bible as the testimony of the anti-christ.
Furthermore you say the Bible cannot be accepted as truth however
truth in and of itself cannot be relative- if truth was based off of what a single man (or saint) think than it isn't truth, its opinion
If truth isn't based off of a higher being and a body of believers, then there's nothing to say it wasn't what someone just thought up. Truth needs to have a solid base. God word is that basee

You change the bible you change God, if a verse says god is merciful and you take it out God is not merciful and you believe in a different God
people often follow religion blindly and say my pastor says... or science and say they say or scientists say, and you are taking advantage of that.
Honestly I dont mind talking with you about this what you say does interest me but you so far have not answered or responded to any questions or anything ive said, i don't believe you are now or ever really read the posts you comment on
Literally everything you are saying is word for word what a false prophet would say and it isnt merciful and it isnt loving, so its not from the God the Jews or Christians or Muslims call God its something else.
Your entire argument is self destructive because the logic you are using just defeats what you say in one post to another.
If you want to seek after or teach truth you do need to listen you do need to be open minded and you do need to treat people with respect and love when they might not deserve it.
I can assure you that any thing saying you are a saint that can understand mysteries from god normal believers simply could not is not something from God
Perhaps we have misunderstood each other, if it is your belief that Jesus is the son of man and the Bible is in essence true and inspire by God, that we live in a broken and lost world and you must be saved again and have a relationship with Christ to life a full life and to go to heaven and that we all even the saved ones have sinned regardless of them being washed away by Gods grace then perhaps the way you explained yourself was just hard to understand
I would like to keep talking to you about this and see your view more i hope you actually read this and know that I don't hate you and im not angry with you, My only concern is that you may be confused and that there is more for you in a Christ led life than the one you may be living,
Thank you for your time and everything that you keep sending me i enjoy hearing your perspective


A saint is the only flesh of God's that can be used for His purpose to reveal Christ within His mind and have him testify by writing and speaking from his created existence. This means that only sinless saints are authorized to use the scriptures for God's benefit to find believers who listen to the gospel that we saint's preach. Most believers don't need scriptures because they hear the Truth in the gospel, which is the same gospel that all the other saints preached in the first three centuries.

The way God uses a saint to reveal the invisible "Christ" is to take him out of the delusion that ALL God's people are dwelling in during this first age. All God's people are born into this world delusion as a sinner, which means they have a "veil" that blocks the knowledge of God ( Christ ) within their minds. This "veil" can be described as the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", "Lucifer", "Serpent", "Satan", "Devil", "False Prophet", "Wicked", "Antichrist", "Beast", etc.

"Lucifer" means information with deception in it that clouds the minds of men so they can't understand "Christ", which is information without deception. Even the prophets were still under this "veil" as they were used by God to write prophecies, speak or do things for Him. Since the prophets were also created as the invisible "Christ" like all us saints are, they are called God's servant, too, also known as the Holy Spirit, Son of God, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Light, Zion, Jacob, Eternal Life, Counselor, and in the new testament, they used "Jesus Christ" to describe the Kingdom of God.

Jesus, God's first saint with the knowledge of God ( Christ ), knew that his flesh would die in this first age like all other prophets, saints and men would. He knew that the invisible Christ that we prophets and saints were created as would go on to the next age and get new flesh to speak God's new language into existence and all God's knowledge that has to be revealed in His mind and spoken into the new language.

In the next age, the new flesh for the servant of God ( Christ ) will not be used to bear children so therefore, we former saints and prophets will never be married or divorced. In fact, we won't have any gender such as male and female organs to mate with.

Man was created in "Christ" like all God's creation is but as both male and female. In this age, the only complete man was Adam and Eve but since God placed the delusion of Lucifer ( the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ) within their flesh, their offspring was born with only one flesh, but with the information of both male and female. Scientists discovered that our flesh contains both male and female genes so if you don't understand the scriptures in Genesis about man being both male and female, then understand that God used scientists to let us know about this phenomena in our flesh.

As we awaken in our new flesh in Paradise ( The new Earth ), the flesh of man ( a new Adam and Eve ) will be formed along side our flesh ( the flesh of God's servant ). Adam and Eve will be the first man to bear children so they need to learn the new language along with us so they can help teach their children ( born as men in the flesh of a male and flesh of a female). These children will grow up together and when they're ready to be used to mate and have their own children, they will leave their parents without ever being married or divorced.

When the Pharisees asked the first saint "Jesus" about divorce, Jesus told them that a man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife. The Pharisees had no idea that Jesus was talking about the next age in Paradise when man will be born with two bodies of flesh, both male and female. When they become mating flesh, they become one flesh with one mind where they will have visions and dreams together for eternity without ever being divorced.

Christians always get confused when I speak to them about the next age when man will be both male and female in the flesh. So you can easily see why the religious Pharisees didn't understand the spoken "Christ".

In Paradise, our flesh will look alike so we won't deceive each other like our flesh does in this age. We won't be of different races, sizes, or any looks that are different from each other. This would only confuse us like it did in this first age. We won't be judging fat and ugly people because we think we're more beautiful and fit than another person. All you need to do is look at the ants on the ground to see that God can easily make us look alike. We will have other senses that work at 100 % to know the difference between our mates and other people, including us servants.

We will all know our Creator as the one who created every vision and dream experience He puts within our minds ( which happens to be the mind of our Creator ). We will understand that we all exist within His mind and spoken into existence as wavelengths of energy without mass, time or dimensions. We will know that our visions and dreams are made by wavelengths of energy that is processed into information that we can understand. Our "being" is nothing but processed information ( energy ), also known as the "breath of life" that God blew into the nostrils of his first formed flesh of man named Adam. The flesh of Adam was made of the same information that gives us the illusion of earthen materials, which is different information ( breath of life ) that gives us various living experiences with the world that we perceive as something real. In other words, God forms make-believe worlds for us to experience called visions and dreams.

So the new Heaven and Earth that God has prepared for us means new information without deception ( Christ, as th new Heaven ) and new information that makes up the visible world ( New Earth ) that we will experience as a make-believe world that all of us will participate in. Each man will have his own unique visions and dreams with his partner outside of the earthly dream that we're all in together. This will give each man something to talk about to his peers that are around him and with everyone of God's people speaking the same language with the same knowledge in it, we'll always understand each other's stories.

We servants will dream together to get new knowledge to speak into the new language so our dreams will always be more advanced than men's dreams are. This means man will always be separated from us servants because we have all the knowledge of God in our mind instead of just a piece of the knowledge that will be used for man's visions and dreams.

I'm not expecting you to believe this "Christ" information I'm testifying to you but if you believe in some of it, you're definitely a chosen believer by our Creator. All the religious ideas that Rome added to their new testament will confuse you but if you're a true believer, God will take you out of that delusion and hopefully let you hear Him speak to your heart, which is your spirit ( information that makes you a "being" in Christ ).

As you can see, I don't need to argue with unbelievers because the knowledge of God ( Christ ) that I possess knows everything that happened in the past, present and future. This is why I know that the Roman religious leaders had all the saints killed and started the official religion of Christianity to deceive the early believers of the true gospel and make them Christians ( Christ-like ) but without any knowledge of God to speak the Truth to them. The true words from "Christ" became lost in all the religious ideas that Rome introduced through the Vatican and Roman Catholic Church. Their new testament contains religious ideas that keeps their Christians from learning what a saint of God is and how God uses us to reveal "Christ" in our minds to teach us what's going on and who we are within His mind.

God bless you,
Saint Brad
Debate Round No. 4


I'm sorry but everything your saying is completely against what the Christian faith is about, against what the bible says, and against who God is.
"Saints" or righteous people are not portrayed as the only ones who could reveal Gods purpose.
Mathew !8:12-24 talks about the parable of the lost sheep where Jesus explain that just as a Shepherd would leave his flock to look for a single sheep if it was lost so God searches after the lost even if there's a hundred righteous and his happy when he finds him.
("If a man has 100 sheep, but one of the sheep becomes lost, then the man will leave the other 99 sheep on the hill. He will go to look for the lost sheep. Right? And if the man finds the lost sheep, the man is happier about that one sheep than about the 99 sheep that were never lost. I tell you the truth. In the same way, your Father in heaven does not want any of these little children to be lost. MATT 18:12-14}
God invests in people that are lost. Not just the righteous
" I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" Luke 5:32
And God uses people throughout the bible that were not perfect not righteous and not "Saints" to do his work throughout human history
" But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.1 cor 27
The Bible and history is full of people that have been used for Gods purposes that were not perfect sinless or strong
-Moses was a terrible speaker and likely had a speech impediment, he killed a man hid his body and ran away, but God used him to lead a nation out of slavery for over 40 years
-Rehab was a prostitute, but she helped hide spy's from Israel as they infiltrated Jericho, which eventually contributed to their victory over a much superior force.
-Paul was a mass murderer of the early Christian church yet God changed him, used him to spread the gospel to the edges of the map, and he wrote most of the new testament. (and he was later murdered by the Roman empire, who according to you wrote most of the new testament, yet the trials of the early church were never thrown under the rug like they would have been if this were true)
-William Wilberforce, was not a Christian, and was focused on his political career, but God changed him and used him to abolish the British slave trade
In fact the bible says that

3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The righteous are close to God yes, but righteousness has a lot less to do with a grocery list of rights and wrongs and more of a condition of your heart. You say that you have been sanctified and purified through God, which may be true, but that is not a one time thing it is a daily thing.
Luke 9: 23 Then he said to them all: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
Righteousness in Gods eyes is about a daily commitment to the relationship with him. That men and women would be willing to take up their cross, and give their life to him.
You always say that you are sinless, because God has made you sinless, but that is itself a lie, and a sin
Your debt has been washed away, so live like it. If you are forgiven a debt of a million dollars and the next day someone owes you 5 and you shake them down and never speak to them again, then you've learned nothing.(matt 18:21-35) Your sin debt is forgiven, so act humbly not self rightous. Call yourself a slave not a saint, and don treat anyone like they are beneath you, because you deserve a lot less than what Gods given you,(mark 12:31) we all do. (matt 3:23)

Repeatadely you only use the scriptures you want to support your arguments and you discount the ones you dont feel like believing in. You have a very poor understanding of the scriptures, and it shows how your arguments are self defeating. You say one thing and it negates itself. You say youre a saint but in saying that youre making yourself proud and self rightous, so youre not a saint. You say you dont have to argue with unbelivers but thats unloving and not the way God treats us. If you are not loving you do not have authoriy with the scriptures.
Your visions are inspiring but, they are not in line with who God is and what the bible says, so if your visions are not of God they are of satan.
You try to confuse people and constanly put yourself above anyone whoe doesnt beleive you. This is the way a false prophet talks, and is pointed out in the old and new testament.
You must humble yourself for God to use you
There are many points we did not cover, you did not respond to all of mine and i did not respond to all of yours, i would not mind continuing this debate.
I truly feel for you because i have dealt with trying to understand if the things i feel god is telling me are from him or not, but i have learned that wrod without backing by scripture and edification by the church and any chance to be discussed or challenged is not from a god about freedom of choice love, mercy and humility
I pray earnestly that God clarifies this matter to you,
I will however continue to call you out on this website, you go around confusing people and defiling god name, there isnt something in you thaqt is not from God and its wrong.
I do believe you are a good man with good intentions but i believe you are hearing from the wrong person

sorry for the misspllings God bless


You have no idea who I am or what my flesh is being used for. This means you have judged wrongly because I know exactly what my created existence is and how God makes this world we're living in as a believable existence other than our created existence.

Every single Christian since Christianity started has been deceived by the Romans who killed the true saints. God planned Christianity and all other religions through His plan called the "beast". God had His prophet Daniel write about the beast that would cause men to bulld things ( false gods ). The first thing God needed to do was have certain leaders look into the sky where the stars were exposed at night and draw imaginery lines from one star to the next to get building shapes.

Man has to be taught everything by our Creator because man is a created being, not a creator of anything. He had to teach the first man, Adam, a language by having him name the things he saw but only as God put those names in the mind of Adam, which happens to be the mind of God where all His creation exists. Adam's flesh that God made out of earthen elements had to learn a language to teach his female flesh partner, Eve, once God formed her from the elements of Adam's flesh, so they could speak to each other. Adam did not learn a language on his own.

So in order for man to learn how to build things, God had to put information in his mind to learn how to build, starting with building shapes such as rectangles, squares, triangles, intersections, etc. that didn't exist in the earthen materials for man to look at. This is why the planned beast got certain me to look into the stars and find shapes to begin building these false gods of the sky. These leaders of the gentile nations who God used to build false gods ( buildings ) with did know that the thoughts in their minds came from our Creator. They thought they came up with all these ideas to build their false gods and had the people around them build them with their hands.

The symbolic "mark of the beast" that can be read about in the book of Revelation, another book written about the plan called the beast and how God will destroy it on the "Last Day" shows that a man is marked on the forehead and his hands with the symbolic number "666", which means a man's number. Man was created both male and female so man was supposed to have a flesh of a male and the other as a female, just like Adam and Eve were formed. Adam and Eve were ONE created man, while God's servant ( Christ ) was where all the prophets and saints came from. However, we prophets and saints were born in false flesh like the rest of Adam and Eve's offspring, who were only born in one flesh after Adam and Eve began to have children. God's plan called Lucifer ( satan, devil, serpent, wicked, etc. ) is where all flesh of man and God's servant ( Christ ) was formed from, which was meant to deceive us all by each of us having different looks ( short, tall, thin, fat, blonde, brunette, blue eyes, brown eyes, etc. ).

Since man is marked with the number "666", they weren't used by our Creator, to speak for Him. Only us saints and prophets were used by God to speak for Him. However, the prophets were still under the old covenant so they were never taken totally out of the deception called "Lucifer and the beast" like us saints were so their flesh died without them knowing that they were created as "Christ", God's servant, where all God's creation came from.

We saints are the only one's whose flesh was changed by our Creator to stop us from desiring this world delusion called "Lucifer and the beast" and receive the mind of Christ, which is where all God's creation came from, known by scientists today as wavelengths of energy that vibrate in harmony. Science calls "Lucifer and the beast" what is known as entropy, which even confuses scientists. Entropy is the changes that we see in this world such as decay, accidents, disease, death, etc.

Christians have no idea what a saint is unless God has chosen a Christian to hear the Truth in the gospel that us saints preach. The Truth is our Creator, where all God's knowledge ( energy without entropy) exists called "Christ". This "Christ" is the invisible Kingdom of God that Jesus and all us other saints speak from while we're in the flesh. Once our flesh dies, this invisible energy keeps going forever and will be used in the next age in different bodies of flesh, to speak the new language into existence along with knowledge without deception. This new language and knowledge will be taught to ALL God's created men, both male and female flesh, from the time they're born together, until they split from their parents and go on their own as partners to conceive children ( created men, both male and female ) of their own.

God's servant ( Christ, also known as the Word of God ) will awaken in thousands of new flesh in Paradise and start speaking the new language into existence, which is already planned by our Creator.

So All Christians are only men who are marked with the number "666" until their flesh perishes. I was the only flesh of God ( saint ) whose been used to speak for HIm since all the other saints were killed by the beast that influenced the minds of the Romans who built false gods by the jealousy of the religious Jews, who also built false gods. Only the prophets who came out of the Jewish lineage were created as "the Word" and used as God's voice. The rest of the Jews were created as men, both male and female, marked with man's number "666".

I could care less if you don't believe any of the testimonies I'm sharing with you from "Christ", my created existence because I know you're only a man marked with the symbolic number "666". This means your flesh will die without having the information that we saints receive during this age.

When I say I'm a sinless saint, I mean that my flesh has been changed by our Creator to stop the desires ( love ) of this world that we see, taste, smell and touch. That's because the new knowledge we get taught as we testify in writing and speaking in our own native tongue as God puts words from our vocabulary into His mind ( which is our mind also ) for us to testify with, contains everything God wants us to know about the past, present and future before our flesh is killed by jealous religious men marked with "666". Believers are chosen men who are still marked with "666" but they listen to our Creator, the Truth, in the gospel we preach to them. This is what makes most religious men jealous because they were created as unbelievers during this first age.

When man gets his new bodies in Paradise, he'll never be deceived by a plan called "Lucifer and the beast" again. His two bodies of flesh, one male and one female, will always know our Creator and the thoughts He puts into their minds as created by Him. Never again will a man exalt himself, thinking that he created his own ideas that his people built for him. We will never work with our hands in Paradise to build false gods and idols. This means numbers like "666" and "7" will never be used again in written words because we'll never have written words again or schools to learn how to write, read or do mathematics or any worldly things.

Everything I wrote in this writing came directly from words our Creator put in our mind. None of this comes from memory because memory is what man mostly speaks from, except new deceptive ideas God puts in man's mind to build things with or write poems, music, etc.

God bless you,
Saint Brad
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