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Started: 2/27/2014 Category: Politics
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jar130

Pro

The United States at the moment is considered a democracy despite all the issues with the government. Gerrymandering is a major issue involving the public"s vote. It has caused a lot of grief but is not enough to denounce the US as a democracy. A democracy is a government that has elect representatives. At the moment gerrymandering warps the public"s vote to benefit a party. However we the people still hold the power to change anything in the country. But if we continue down the path of carelessness and allow corrupt Politicians to do as they please than there is a possibility that the practice of democracy can stop in the US. A great example of the people"s loss in voting power can be demonstrated by the Republicans program known as red mapping. This program allowed republicans to hold their power in the house despite the public"s opinion. The Republican Party was able to do so by using gerrymandering to their advantage. This was a disaster for the people since most of the population favored a democratic representative. In fact the Democratic Party exceeded the Republicans vote by millions when it came to voting. The only solution to this dilemma would be to redistrict the states in an organized manner. Of course it will be done according to population and not to a parties benefit as before.
On a side note, the US was not founded as a democracy. Not once in the constitution is the word democracy used to describe the Country. The US was originally a Republic.
JoJoju1998

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Firstly, America is not a democracy. It is not, never was, nor ever was intended to be a democracy. And for very good reason. Democracy--dēmocrat"a ("power/rule by the people")--is a horrible system of government. It is maintained by violence, mob rule, and a pernicious envy--an envy that arises when one of its citizens rises too far above the others, an envy that drives that democracy to rip them down. The rights of the individual are always supplanted by "the will of the people". Consider the go-to historical example: Athens. It was not a mythical utopia of philosophers and scientists based on the rule of reason; rather, Athenian democracy was governed by terror, violence, and corruption. It made tyranny its modus operandi. The lives and happiness of its citizens were held hostage to the collected will of their neighbours. It forced the allied cities of the Delian League into political and economic submission and then massacred those cities that wished to withdraw. And in a wild frenzy, abandoned reason and law and summarily executed its ten leading generals--its only hope of victory against Sparta. Finally, in 404 BC, after a mere century, Athenian democracy imploded and eked out a meagre existence for the remainder of the millennium. Its legacy? Consider Socrates' pupil and intellectual heir. In Plato's Republic, his ideal state is ruled not by popular assembly or elected council, but by a king--democracy's antithesis. So ended the "great" experiment in democracy.

I write this not as a defence of dictatorship, oligarchy, or any other such form of government, but merely to illustrate that democracy is as capable of tyranny as they, perhaps capable of greater tyranny as dictatorship is the tyranny of one over many and democracy the tyranny of many over all.

Washington, Hamilton et al. knew this and feared it, and they lived to see those fears once again fulfilled in the blood, violence, and terror of the French Revolution. They were familiar with the excesses of democracy, and though they sought democracy's virtues, they created a political system specifically designed to shackle its vices. They held Rome as a model, not Athens. They created a republic. A republic, if I may borrow Cicero's definition, is a synthesis of three forms of government--dictatorship/monarchy, oligarchy/aristocracy, and democracy. They combined the virtues of each of these separate political systems, while mitigating their weaknesses (i.e. "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts"). Democracy, in particular, emerged most strongly in the legislative branch, in Congress. Knowing this, the founding fathers created that intricate system of checks and balances to control it. Democratic forces were to be balanced with those dictatorial and oligarchical, and Congress was to be checked by both the Presidency and Supreme Court. Democracy was everywhere hedged in and controlled. And rightly so. Washington, Hamilton et al. feared lest they create another Athens or presage the bloodbath of the French Revolution.

Enter 2010. Democracy will not repair our teetering political system. In addition to being extremely dangerous, more democracy will only exacerbate its problems. The misconception that America is a democracy has blinded us to the imbalance in our republic, has led us to believe that Congress has and ought to have the greater authority. And so, we have just stood by and watched and sometimes even praised Congress' steady accumulation of power. To what end? Special interests, run-away spending, pork, bribery, double-dealing... The list goes on. Yet these do not dominate the offices of the White House or the Supreme Court, but rather the halls of the Capitol. And tyranny? That is precisely what Citizens United vs. FEC addressed. Where does Congress get the notion that it can tell publishing houses what books they can publish, television studios what films they can produce, and American citizens what books they can read? It is one of those frightening "will of the people" justifications. And Athens and France have revealed the frightening road down which those have led.

It is time we put an end to this misconception about democracy. America is a republic. There is one office that can roll back Congressional overreach and curb democratic excess. And that office is the President's. It is time that he stepped up and embraced the authority of that office. He ought not to emulate the example of Athenian Democracy, but rather that of European enlightened absolutists, of Maria Theresa, Leopold II, and Frederick the Great. It is time to reform the process of government. Democracy will not achieve that, but some executive authority just might.
Debate Round No. 1
jar130

Pro

jar130 forfeited this round.
JoJoju1998

Con

Where are you. I extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
jar130

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JoJoju1998

Con

Please vote.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by The_Scapegoat_bleats 2 years ago
The_Scapegoat_bleats
@DrySponge: Read the defintion below, please. You both have it wrong.

republic
Q94; Use Republic in a sentence
re"pub"lic
[ri-puhb-lik] Show IPA
noun
1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
2. any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.
3. a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.
from: http://dictionary.reference.com...

1. is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.
2. is closer to the ancient Roman understanding and would include the British Commonwealth, which is a MONARCHY
3. is a very wide, liberal description as just the opposite of a monarchy

So, you see, it's not that easy to discern all of this. Which is why I will not engage in this debate actively.
Posted by DrySponge 2 years ago
DrySponge
No the us is a republic you elect representatives.
democracy is the direct power of the people not representatives elected the people makes all the desciscions .
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
I don't understand how this is a debate.
Posted by The_Scapegoat_bleats 2 years ago
The_Scapegoat_bleats
"A democracy is a government that has elect representatives."

Too simple definition.

"1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2: a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy " C. M. Roberts>
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges "
from: http://www.merriam-webster.com...
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