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you cannot find three bible verses that contradict each other

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Started: 11/7/2015 Category: Religion
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

people often say the bible is full of contradiction. i'd like to test that idea.
88thetruth88

Con

Contradiction 1

Thou shalt not kill. - Exodus 20:13

Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side. and slay every man his brother...companion...neighbor. - Exodus 32:27

Contradiction 2

No man hath seen God at any time. - John 1:18

For I have seen God face to face. - Genesis 32:30

Contradiction 3

Submit yourself to every ordinance of man...to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors. - I Peter 2:13

We ought to obey God rather than men. - Acts 5:29

For a scripture that was compiled over such a great period of time there are bound to be inaccuracies and contradictions,
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

1. it's a general rule, do not kill.

2. i can give you this one, but it's sitll only one.

3. as a rule of thumb, submit to man's law. it's taking things too far to not be open to interpreting this that way. it's the way people speak.
88thetruth88

Con

1. The commandment says we should not kill. Then the Lord God of Israel tells every man to arm himself with his sword by his side and slay other people ie kill them, thus the contradiction. It may be a general rule not to kill that however does not void the contradictory nature of the scriptures.

2. Ok

3. I Peter 2:3 says to submit to every official rule or order of man, of the supreme king or governors. The key word here is "man" for if mans law is not that of God (and it often isn't). So the contradiction is clear if we strive to adhere to Acts 5:29 and "obey God rather than men".

some more...

4.
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. - II Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. - II Chronicles 22:2

5
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned" - Romans 5:12

Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death. - John 8:51

6.
Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: - Proverbs 24:17

The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. - Psalms 58:1
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

2. i take back this one. he wreslted God in the form of an angel or something else. it's more figurative than the full glory of God than to say you saw God.

4. "This is a case where it appears a scribe made a mistake in copying II Chronicles 22:2. Scholars are confident of this because II Chronicles 21:20 and II Kings 8:17 tells us that Ahaziah's father died at the age of 40. If Ahaziah was 42 at the time of his father's death, he would have been two years older than his father -- an impossibility. In older Hebrew, numbers were represented by single letters. The letter for forty was mem and the letter for twenty was kaph. It is possible that these two similar letters in ancient Hebrew were confused in the ancient Hebrew manuscripts. When the letters were expanded to words, the error was carried over. This is further supported in that some Septuagint translations of the Hebrew Bible, the Arabaic manuscript, and the Syriac manuscript have twenty-two in II Chronicles 22:2 instead of forty-two as found in the Massoretic family of manuscripts."

5. permanent death is no more, that's hte point, not whether someone will die or not.

6. one is rejoicing for revenge, the other is rejoicing for justice. con is being too literal.
88thetruth88

Con

88thetruth88 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Robkwoods 12 months ago
Robkwoods
Interesting Debate. Taking line vs line is not the appropriate way to show contradiction. You'll get beat everytime. There is context to every line you posted, without the context it is easy to assume contradiction.
Posted by Robkwoods 12 months ago
Robkwoods
Interesting Debate. Taking line vs line is not the appropriate way to show contradiction. You'll get beat everytime. There is context to every line you posted, without the context it is easy to assume contradiction.
Posted by skipsaweirdo 1 year ago
skipsaweirdo
Thou shalt not kill doesn't mean not to kill, it just means you shouldn't. You shouldn't speed doesn't mean not to speed, it just means it isn't advisable.
The Genesis verse isn't being represented accurately. Jacob is speaking figuratively about a man he wrestled with and who blessed him and gave him a new name. Jacob merely means he has seen God face to face as a manner of saying he struggled with and fought with an apparent representative of God. A man filled with the spirit of God and one who could and did bless him as God wanted. He didn't mean literally seeing Gods face. Face to face as facing off with the man sent to him by God.
Contradiction 3 is the one that's so far from accurate it isn't even close. It's in regards to different subjects. It doesn't mean listen only to God about everything, even though what you claim is a contradiction is supposedly God giving the message to honor men. I.e. listen to men on some things as God says. No contradiction at all.
But cherry picking meanings is typical. Btw, the word for kill in the commandment is actually, by most opinions, essentially murdering or killing without cause. That could also be argued in regards to that supposed contradiction. Don't you like how I can put a good twist on things, its sometimes is really fun. Lol
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