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Classical Music is Superior to Modern

000ike
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8/26/2011 1:35:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The names are just generalizations. This is what I really mean.

Classical Music = all instrumental music in human history and today (not necessarily the genre itself)

Modern Music = all music where 1 or more instruments are electric or derived from a keyboard. Containing synthetic tones.

Everything in life is replicated by an electronic device. For the animal brain, we have computers. For the paint and the canvas we have the digital software. For the grand piano, we have the keyboard. Being that they are imitations, does that render the music of modern electronic instruments inferior to the original instruments once more commonly used?
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8/26/2011 2:04:07 PM
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DOSBOX is imitation DOS.

It runs faster than DOS.
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8/26/2011 2:12:03 PM
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At 8/26/2011 2:04:07 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
DOSBOX is imitation DOS.

It runs faster than DOS.

you entirely missed the point. Acoustic and traditional music vs. techy and synthetic music. Video 1 vs Video 2. What you mentioned were both technological.
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8/26/2011 2:20:29 PM
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There's an enormous range of modern music. Much of it does not resemble classical music whatsoever. Hell, you have the entire additional of vocals, bass guitar and electric guitar. I just don't really see the imitation of the classical artists. You can claim the classical artists are "better" but the idea that modern music is some kind of "knock off" of classical music is absurd.
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8/26/2011 2:23:48 PM
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Being that they are imitations, does that render the music of modern electronic instruments inferior
Premise: Imitations are always inferior.

Premise disproved, need a new premise to argue that electronic instruments are always inferior to acoustic. Anecdotes are just that btw.
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8/26/2011 2:29:12 PM
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At 8/26/2011 2:20:29 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
There's an enormous range of modern music. Much of it does not resemble classical music whatsoever. Hell, you have the entire additional of vocals, bass guitar and electric guitar. I just don't really see the imitation of the classical artists. You can claim the classical artists are "better" but the idea that modern music is some kind of "knock off" of classical music is absurd.

Is anyone actually reading what I wrote?

1. I didn't make a claim, I asked a question. The title is just to invite opinions.

2. I didn't say modern music is a knockoff of classical. I said that electric instruments and keyboard synthetic tones are a knock off of the acoustic.

3. I defined classical music as instrumentals, and NOT the genre. You are clearly referring to classical music the genre.

4. vocals and acoustic guitars are a part of classical music, so they're not new....

5. The question, which has yet to be answered, is: Is the music created by knockoff instruments inferior to that created by the acoustic.
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8/26/2011 2:30:46 PM
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That particular video was a comparison on your terms-- direct imitation of classical music, the genre.

Here's a comparison with a modern music genre-- same song, same artists, different instruments. Still an anecdote, but a valid data point at least
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8/26/2011 2:34:03 PM
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Or close to valid anyway. Different production values though.
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8/26/2011 3:21:56 PM
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oh, i guess my response is kind of hasty considering your definitions that don't really fit the names you gave them.

i agree that real instruments are superior (they actually take skill and practice) and usually sound better than electronic stuff.
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8/26/2011 3:23:50 PM
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At 8/26/2011 3:21:56 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
oh, i guess my response is kind of hasty considering your definitions that don't really fit the names you gave them.

i agree that real instruments are superior (they actually take skill and practice) and usually sound better than electronic stuff.

I believe that's an electric guitar shown in your first video.
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8/26/2011 3:27:32 PM
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And in your third.
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8/26/2011 3:30:30 PM
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At 8/26/2011 3:27:32 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
And in your third.

touche. 00ike's definitions are somewhat vague and confusing. I retract my retraction :)
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8/26/2011 3:36:08 PM
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At 8/26/2011 3:33:50 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
i was referring to real instruments (electric guitar included) as opposed to computer synth.

all music where 1 or more instruments are electric or derived from a keyboard.
OP wasn't.
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8/26/2011 3:44:39 PM
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At 8/26/2011 1:35:32 PM, 000ike wrote:
Classical Music = all instrumental music in human history and today (not necessarily the genre itself)

LOL, WTF? Baroque? Romantic? Jazz?
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8/26/2011 3:46:29 PM
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This may or may not consist of real instruments by Lickdafoot's definition, but definitely not by 000's
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8/26/2011 3:49:42 PM
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At 8/26/2011 3:46:29 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

This may or may not consist of real instruments by Lickdafoot's definition, but definitely not by 000's

yes, NIN. great song! :)
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8/26/2011 3:52:08 PM
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At 8/26/2011 3:44:39 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/26/2011 1:35:32 PM, 000ike wrote:
Classical Music = all instrumental music in human history and today (not necessarily the genre itself)

LOL, WTF? Baroque? Romantic? Jazz?

.....its stuff like this that makes me curse at people. If you would actually read, sir, you'd ee that I said "The names are just generalizations. This is what I really mean." Classical music is just the name I gave all traditional instrumentals, I wasn't defining it. Please pay closer attention next time.
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10/11/2011 10:46:32 PM
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I agree, Classical Music is definetly Superior to Modern, yes there are some modern music that sounds good, but classical music is real music, people actually playing instruments and singing with excellent real written music. modern music is not really real, they use electronics to make them sound, electric. New isn't always better.
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10/11/2011 10:55:13 PM
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Well, if we are going to go by those definitions..

I'm not too big a fan of synth.

Let's say take, any old instrument... A snare drum for example. Everytime a real person hits a snare drum, it sounds different EVERY time they hit it. With synth instruments, either the snare sounds the same every time it is hit, or it cycles between a few sounds that slightly variate.

My ear prefers the the sound of real instruments if not for that reason alone.

Electrically amplified and altered instruments, however, ARE real instruments, I wouldn't put them in the same category as synth. The electric guitar is like the snare drum. Every time you hit a note, it sounds different.

Truly though, it is all personal preference. One isn't really superior to the other.
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10/20/2011 2:15:25 PM
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At 10/11/2011 10:55:13 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Well, if we are going to go by those definitions..

I'm not too big a fan of synth.

Let's say take, any old instrument... A snare drum for example. Everytime a real person hits a snare drum, it sounds different EVERY time they hit it. With synth instruments, either the snare sounds the same every time it is hit, or it cycles between a few sounds that slightly variate.

My ear prefers the the sound of real instruments if not for that reason alone.

Electrically amplified and altered instruments, however, ARE real instruments, I wouldn't put them in the same category as synth. The electric guitar is like the snare drum. Every time you hit a note, it sounds different.


Truly though, it is all personal preference. One isn't really superior to the other.

Classical music is superior to most of the garbage out here now though.
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10/31/2011 6:24:53 PM
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I like Mozart, but by Beethoven the classical period was getting tired, and I can't stand impressionist. Having said that what passes for music today, isn't.
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10/31/2011 6:29:51 PM
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As someone else pointed out--Trans-Siberian Orchestra is just as good as any classical piece.
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10/31/2011 6:31:14 PM
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At 10/31/2011 6:29:51 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
As someone else pointed out--Trans-Siberian Orchestra is just as good as any classical piece, in my opinion.
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10/31/2011 6:32:47 PM
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At 10/31/2011 6:31:14 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 6:29:51 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
As someone else pointed out--Trans-Siberian Orchestra is just as good as any classical piece, in my opinion.

Were you going to respond, or did you accidentally submit too early?
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10/31/2011 6:34:06 PM
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At 10/31/2011 6:32:47 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/31/2011 6:31:14 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 6:29:51 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
As someone else pointed out--Trans-Siberian Orchestra is just as good as any classical piece, in my opinion.

Were you going to respond, or did you accidentally submit too early?

no, I wasn't going to respond. But if you notice, I amended your post. With that fixed, theres not much left to respond to.
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10/31/2011 6:35:22 PM
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At 10/31/2011 6:34:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 6:32:47 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/31/2011 6:31:14 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 6:29:51 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
As someone else pointed out--Trans-Siberian Orchestra is just as good as any classical piece, in my opinion.

Were you going to respond, or did you accidentally submit too early?

no, I wasn't going to respond. But if you notice, I amended your post. With that fixed, theres not much left to respond to.

Oh. lol. The IMO addition is something I would say, so I kind of just assumed I said it.
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10/31/2011 6:36:54 PM
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As much as I love classical music, I do have to contend that much of it does seem tired and affected, in comparison to modern music. It's ridiculous to claim that music A is better than music B, especially if both can be used successfully at different times...
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10/31/2011 6:37:53 PM
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At 10/31/2011 6:36:54 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
As much as I love classical music, I do have to contend that much of it does seem tired and affected, in comparison to modern music. It's ridiculous to claim that music A is better than music B, especially if both can be used successfully at different times...

Objectively, no. Subjectively, yes.
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