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6/3/2016 7:20:34 AM
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Post any photo that you think, qualifies as art.
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6/4/2016 4:46:33 PM
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At 6/3/2016 7:20:34 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
Post any photo that you think, qualifies as art.

First of all, why do you think photography is not an art?
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6/5/2016 4:01:32 AM
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A photo is a photo. And art is art. A photo can be used to make art, but it's not art just because it's a photo (or a painting, or a song, or a play, or whatever else).

The difference is the intent of the endeavor. By itself, a photo is simply an image document. And by itself, it intends to be nothing more or other than that. But an object of art, or 'artwork', has a specific intent beyond the image documentation of a photo. An art work is a document of an artists experience and understanding of being. Produced for the purpose of sharing that experience and understanding with others.
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6/5/2016 4:14:07 AM
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At 6/4/2016 4:46:33 PM, missmozart wrote:
At 6/3/2016 7:20:34 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
Post any photo that you think, qualifies as art.

First of all, why do you think photography is not an art?

A photographer has nothing to offer other than his perspective.

He captures the impression of light at a particular moment.

The moment exists by itself irrespective of whether or not the photographer uses his camera.

Art is not created in a moment , it takes time. It is always a step wise step process.

Human brain can not evaluate all the visual information a scene has to offer within a second, it means photographer can have full knowledge of a photograph after capturing it.

Art is based on an original idea which is later developed and refined.

There is no human touch in a photo.
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6/5/2016 4:16:14 AM
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At 6/5/2016 4:01:32 AM, PureX wrote:
A photo is a photo. And art is art. A photo can be used to make art, but it's not art just because it's a photo (or a painting, or a song, or a play, or whatever else).

The difference is the intent of the endeavor. By itself, a photo is simply an image document. And by itself, it intends to be nothing more or other than that. But an object of art, or 'artwork', has a specific intent beyond the image documentation of a photo. An art work is a document of an artists experience and understanding of being. Produced for the purpose of sharing that experience and understanding with others.

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6/5/2016 4:34:56 AM
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At 6/5/2016 4:14:07 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 6/4/2016 4:46:33 PM, missmozart wrote:
At 6/3/2016 7:20:34 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
Post any photo that you think, qualifies as art.

First of all, why do you think photography is not an art?

A photographer has nothing to offer other than his perspective.

He captures the impression of light at a particular moment.

The moment exists by itself irrespective of whether or not the photographer uses his camera.

Art is not created in a moment , it takes time. It is always a step wise step process.

Human brain can not evaluate all the visual information a scene has to offer within a second, it means photographer can have full knowledge of a photograph after capturing it.

Art is based on an original idea which is later developed and refined.

There is no human touch in a photo.

One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.
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6/5/2016 4:57:11 AM
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At 6/5/2016 4:34:56 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

Why do you need to photograph it?
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6/5/2016 5:41:20 AM
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At 6/5/2016 4:57:11 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:34:56 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

Why do you need to photograph it?

So you can record what you did? Or do some photoshopping to enhance the effect?
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6/5/2016 7:57:11 AM
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At 6/5/2016 5:41:20 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:57:11 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:34:56 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

Why do you need to photograph it?

So you can record what you did? Or do some photoshopping to enhance the effect?

And one more thing, sometimes the result is only intended to be seen from one particular angle.
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6/6/2016 6:04:59 PM
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At 6/5/2016 4:57:11 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:34:56 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

Why do you need to photograph it?

Why not?
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6/6/2016 6:21:53 PM
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At 6/5/2016 4:57:11 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:34:56 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

Why do you need to photograph it?

Photographers photograph things because that is their art.

Photography IS an art. You need both creativity and skill. You think that photography shouldn't be considered an art because a photographer is using something that already exists. Well in that case, Mozart was not an artist because he didn't invent the notes on the piano or whichever instrument he was writing for. He just simply used the already existing notes on the instruments and rearranged them in some 'random' order to create a piece of music that he calls "art". Rembrandt was not an artist either because all he did was arrange some paint (which by the way he didn't invent) on a canvas and called it a 'painting'.

So what is an artist then? Basically it has a nonexistent meaning to you- nothing is art in your perspective.
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6/6/2016 10:26:35 PM
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At 6/6/2016 6:21:53 PM, missmozart wrote:

Photographers photograph things because that is their art.

Actually, photography is a craft. One that may or may not be employed when endeavoring to make art.

Photography IS an art.

No, it's not.

You need both creativity and skill.

Art is not defined by the expression of creativity or skill. The medium is not the art. And neither is the degree of skill involved in handling the medium. What defines an endeavor as art is the intent to share one's experience and understanding of existence, with others, through some form of material documentation. The "artwork" is a document of the artist's experience and vision as he/she created it. It's a record of the decisions made, with which the viewer can then empathize and relate to themselves as a both a universal, and a unique experiential 'truth'.

You think that photography shouldn't be considered an art because a photographer is using something that already exists.

No, I think art is art. What it's made of is irrelevant except in how it serves the artist's intent to express him/herself.
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6/7/2016 4:08:05 AM
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At 6/6/2016 10:26:35 PM, PureX wrote:
At 6/6/2016 6:21:53 PM, missmozart wrote:

Photographers photograph things because that is their art.

Actually, photography is a craft. One that may or may not be employed when endeavoring to make art.

Photography IS an art.

No, it's not.

You need both creativity and skill.

Art is not defined by the expression of creativity or skill. The medium is not the art. And neither is the degree of skill involved in handling the medium. What defines an endeavor as art is the intent to share one's experience and understanding of existence, with others, through some form of material documentation. The "artwork" is a document of the artist's experience and vision as he/she created it. It's a record of the decisions made, with which the viewer can then empathize and relate to themselves as a both a universal, and a unique experiential 'truth'.

Now, apply this definition to photography.

You think that photography shouldn't be considered an art because a photographer is using something that already exists.

No, I think art is art. What it's made of is irrelevant except in how it serves the artist's intent to express him/herself.
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6/7/2016 4:27:15 AM
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At 6/6/2016 6:21:53 PM, missmozart wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:57:11 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:34:56 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

Why do you need to photograph it?

Photographers photograph things because that is their art.

Photography IS an art. You need both creativity and skill. You think that photography shouldn't be considered an art because a photographer is using something that already exists. Well in that case, Mozart was not an artist because he didn't invent the notes on the piano or whichever instrument he was writing for. He just simply used the already existing notes on the instruments and rearranged them in some 'random' order to create a piece of music that he calls "art". Rembrandt was not an artist either because all he did was arrange some paint (which by the way he didn't invent) on a canvas and called it a 'painting'.

Every quality pre-exists in nature.

Music is a sequence , it takes TIME to create and listen to - a CLICK does not make music.

Painting and music are not 'arrangement' of colours and notes, it is the utilization of colors and notes to express an emotion.

So what is an artist then? Basically it has a nonexistent meaning to you- nothing is art in your perspective.

Artist makes art. He doesn't capture art. There is a human touch to art.
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6/7/2016 4:30:57 AM
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A photo is never an art.

No one even tried to argue this subject by posting a photo.
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6/7/2016 8:09:49 AM
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At 6/7/2016 4:35:05 AM, UUU wrote:
Art at the press of a button.

It may be a few buttons to press but behind that takes years and years of practise and observation. Unless you think you can go out with a camera and easily become Steve Mccurry without any work. Photographers have the ability to make something uninteresting become beautiful using their artistic instinct. Yes, taking a photo may only be a few minutes but in those minutes are milliseconds. Photographers know the exact millisecond to "press their button" so that their photos differentiate art from a normal photo that you and I would take. So why are there famous photographers and just amateur photographers in the world? Why would you rather a professional take your wedding photos and not a random friend instead? Wouldn't that save so much more money? After all, according to you, it's just a "press of a button."
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6/7/2016 9:42:18 AM
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Steve Mccurry is obsessed with unusual faces.
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6/7/2016 11:49:26 AM
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At 6/7/2016 4:30:57 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
A photo is never an art.

No one even tried to argue this subject by posting a photo.

Looks like you missed one of the previous arguments some guy made:

"One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

You: Why do you need to photograph it?

So you can record what you did? Or do some photoshopping to enhance the effect?

And one more thing, sometimes the result is only intended to be seen from one particular angle."
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6/7/2016 2:19:48 PM
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At 6/7/2016 11:49:26 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 6/7/2016 4:30:57 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
A photo is never an art.

No one even tried to argue this subject by posting a photo.

Looks like you missed one of the previous arguments some guy made:

"One can deliberately arrange objects and people to set them up for a photo.

You: Why do you need to photograph it?

So you can record what you did? Or do some photoshopping to enhance the effect?

And one more thing, sometimes the result is only intended to be seen from one particular angle."

You can see that arrangement of objects from one particular angle.
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6/7/2016 4:00:08 PM
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At 6/7/2016 9:42:18 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
Steve Mccurry is obsessed with unusual faces.

Clearly I only used him as an example. There are many others of course like Ansel Adams, Mary Ellen Mark, Margaret Zhao, Lyndon Wade- the list goes on.
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6/7/2016 4:43:45 PM
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And how many things can you 'arrange' for a photo.

Only a few. It lessens the very authenticity of the image.

As a photographer, you work with what you got - locations, people, activities..

You can't paint it all, that's not what you are supposed to do.
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6/8/2016 1:33:23 AM
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At 6/5/2016 4:01:32 AM, PureX wrote:
A photo is a photo. And art is art. A photo can be used to make art, but it's not art just because it's a photo (or a painting, or a song, or a play, or whatever else).

The difference is the intent of the endeavor. By itself, a photo is simply an image document. And by itself, it intends to be nothing more or other than that. But an object of art, or 'artwork', has a specific intent beyond the image documentation of a photo. An art work is a document of an artists experience and understanding of being. Produced for the purpose of sharing that experience and understanding with others.

What if someone set up a scene to take a picture of? Let's say I had intent of endeavor, and set up a nice scene where it shows a father walking with his son through the woods, with a glistening lake in the back. I have other people sitting on iron benches nearby, looking at their cellphones and wearing suits, constantly checking their watches, concrete beneath their feet. They all look distressed, but the father and son look happy. My intent is that people get so wrapped up in their work and their time, that they forget to take a break, take a walk, and enjoy the world.

So I snap a few photos of it. Is that not art?
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6/8/2016 1:58:09 AM
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At 6/3/2016 7:20:34 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
Post any photo that you think, qualifies as art.

Here's a more modern photo: http://www.jeanmiele.com...#

Here's an old classic: https://artblart.files.wordpress.com...

The fact that you don't think this is art shows how limited your understanding of art is. Art is inherently a subjective topic. Anything can be considered art by the beholder. Your failure to understand this shows your lack of experience, or plain ignorance, in photography and art in general.
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6/8/2016 1:58:51 AM
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At 6/7/2016 4:35:05 AM, UUU wrote:
Art at the press of a button.

Lol, do you think professional photographers use their cell phones?
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6/8/2016 1:59:26 AM
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At 6/7/2016 4:43:45 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
You can't paint it all, that's not what you are supposed to do.

The fact that you think there are things you're "supposed to do" in art further showcases your ignorance.
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6/8/2016 4:51:09 AM
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At 6/8/2016 1:59:26 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/7/2016 4:43:45 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
You can't paint it all, that's not what you are supposed to do.

The fact that you think there are things you're "supposed to do" in art further showcases your ignorance.

Does an edited photo that has absolutely nothing in common with the captured image, qualifies to be called a photo?

Working with limits is very important.
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6/8/2016 4:59:51 AM
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At 6/8/2016 1:58:09 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/3/2016 7:20:34 AM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
Post any photo that you think, qualifies as art.

Here's a more modern photo: http://www.jeanmiele.com...#

Here's an old classic: https://artblart.files.wordpress.com...

The fact that you don't think this is art shows how limited your understanding of art is. Art is inherently a subjective topic. Anything can be considered art by the beholder. Your failure to understand this shows your lack of experience, or plain ignorance, in photography and art in general.

Those two were pathetic examples. Post a 'colour art photo' now.
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6/8/2016 1:05:24 PM
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At 6/8/2016 1:33:23 AM, Vaarka wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:01:32 AM, PureX wrote:
A photo is a photo. And art is art. A photo can be used to make art, but it's not art just because it's a photo (or a painting, or a song, or a play, or whatever else).

The difference is the intent of the endeavor. By itself, a photo is simply an image document. And by itself, it intends to be nothing more or other than that. But an object of art, or 'artwork', has a specific intent beyond the image documentation of a photo. An art work is a document of an artists experience and understanding of being. Produced for the purpose of sharing that experience and understanding with others.

What if someone set up a scene to take a picture of? Let's say I had intent of endeavor, and set up a nice scene where it shows a father walking with his son through the woods, with a glistening lake in the back. I have other people sitting on iron benches nearby, looking at their cellphones and wearing suits, constantly checking their watches, concrete beneath their feet. They all look distressed, but the father and son look happy. My intent is that people get so wrapped up in their work and their time, that they forget to take a break, take a walk, and enjoy the world.

So I snap a few photos of it. Is that not art?

Artists don't ask that question. Artists make art, not photographs. They may make art WITH the photographic process, but usually not.

In the vast majority of cases, photographers are not artists, and their photographs are not art. Regardless of how wonderful and interesting their photos are. And regardless of whether they set them up or not. Being wonderful and interesting does not make something a work of art. Neither does technical skill. Deliberate self-expression, with the intent of sharing the uniquely individual experience of a universal theme, does. And very few photographs fall into that category.