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PARADIGM_L0ST
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3/6/2011 2:44:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
On other forums, the Admins have total control over how the site is run. Because they're not omniscient, they usually delegate moderators to watch over the site in their absence.

Usually moderators are be selected because of their even-keeled temperament and non-judgmental attitude.

I suggest we contact Julia and the Juggle crew to see if they can't delegate some authority to 1 or 2 members of the forum with special privileges.

I say we vote on it. The two people with the most votes can be presented to Juggle for their final approval.

My suggestion is: Innomen
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annhasle
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3/6/2011 2:45:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Although I think innomen is a great guy and I will always trust his judgment, I'm against user mods. The chances of it going wrong are too substantial for my support.
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InsertNameHere
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3/6/2011 2:47:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I have mixed feelings about having user mods. While I think it would be a good idea to eliminate trolls such as thegodhand, I still think in many cases personal bias could get in the way.
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3/6/2011 2:49:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:45:56 PM, annhasle wrote:
Although I think innomen is a great guy and I will always trust his judgment, I'm against user mods. The chances of it going wrong are too substantial for my support.:

I understand your reticence, but as it stands now there is no moderation and nothing is getting done.

Thanks for your input. What would you suggest as an alternative option?
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3/6/2011 2:49:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I support user mods. If someone is banned by a mod, they can obviously appeal it. If the moderator is seen to be abusing his power, they will be stripped of it.
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Koopin
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3/6/2011 2:52:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:49:05 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/6/2011 2:48:20 PM, Koopin wrote:
Yeah, give freedo and INH the mod power.

Ha ha ha.

Oh boy... That would not go over well...

If you don't want the position, we could always give it to thegodhand,
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Thaddeus
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3/6/2011 2:52:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:45:56 PM, annhasle wrote:
Although I think innomen is a great guy and I will always trust his judgment, I'm against user mods. The chances of it going wrong are too substantial for my support.

This. I think we should remove the irritating user through our methods.
Askbob can do his stalker thing. The rest of us can ignore that certain user. He'll get bored eventually.
PARADIGM_L0ST
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3/6/2011 2:52:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:47:50 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I have mixed feelings about having user mods. While I think it would be a good idea to eliminate trolls such as thegodhand, I still think in many cases personal bias could get in the way.:

I've been on a lot of other forums for many years, and I've seen great professionalism over the years. You have to select the right people. It's no different than referees. They're sports fans. You don't think they have their favorite sports teams? Hell yes they do. But everyone is watching and keeping them accountable. Same thing in here.

If there is even the slightest hint of bias or the slightest hint of power tripping, we'll mutiny.
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PARADIGM_L0ST
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3/6/2011 2:53:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:49:52 PM, tvellalott wrote:
I support user mods. If someone is banned by a mod, they can obviously appeal it. If the moderator is seen to be abusing his power, they will be stripped of it.:

Exactly.
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PARADIGM_L0ST
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3/6/2011 2:55:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:53:55 PM, ccstate4peat wrote:
One of the older users should get it and by older I mean older on this site not brian.eggleston for that specific reason:

There should also be the consideration that they're fairly active on the site. Brian pops in and out like once a week. We need someone more aware of what's going on.
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annhasle
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3/6/2011 2:57:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:49:12 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/6/2011 2:45:56 PM, annhasle wrote:
Although I think innomen is a great guy and I will always trust his judgment, I'm against user mods. The chances of it going wrong are too substantial for my support.:

I understand your reticence, but as it stands now there is no moderation and nothing is getting done.

Thanks for your input. What would you suggest as an alternative option?

I don't know if the "thanks" is sarcasm or not... lol.

Alternative option? A competent site moderator. That's the only way we can have true objectiveness.
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
Cerebral_Narcissist
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3/6/2011 3:00:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:45:56 PM, annhasle wrote:
Although I think innomen is a great guy and I will always trust his judgment, I'm against user mods. The chances of it going wrong are too substantial for my support.

Agreed.

But if I had to I'd vote Innomen. He is calm rational and intelligent.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
belle
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3/6/2011 3:01:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
juggle already set up system for outside moderation, where if you report a post a completely objective outside person will review it and determine whether or not it violates the ToS. i think you guys are getting a little too upset over the presence of a few trolls though... just ignore them >.>
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
PARADIGM_L0ST
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3/6/2011 3:03:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't know if the "thanks" is sarcasm or not... lol.:

Heh, no I was being serious.

Alternative option? A competent site moderator. That's the only way we can have true objectiveness.:

There's nothing to be objective about as long as the moderator is applying the rules sent forth by DDO.

It wouldn't be like, well, I hate capitalism, so therefore I'm gonna ban you. Nobody would stand for that.

The mods would give warning. Hey, stop posting [insert reason here]. If it continues you'll be suspended. If it happens again after your suspension, you'll be banned.
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Koopin
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3/6/2011 3:04:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:01:13 PM, belle wrote:
juggle already set up system for outside moderation, where if you report a post a completely objective outside person will review it and determine whether or not it violates the ToS. i think you guys are getting a little too upset over the presence of a few trolls though... just ignore them >.>

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3/6/2011 3:05:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:01:13 PM, belle wrote:
juggle already set up system for outside moderation, where if you report a post a completely objective outside person will review it and determine whether or not it violates the ToS.:

It's been proven how ineffective it is.

i think you guys are getting a little too upset over the presence of a few trolls though... just ignore them:

It's been done, and it does nothing.
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Koopin
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3/6/2011 3:05:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:04:08 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 3/6/2011 3:01:13 PM, belle wrote:
juggle already set up system for outside moderation, where if you report a post a completely objective outside person will review it and determine whether or not it violates the ToS. i think you guys are getting a little too upset over the presence of a few trolls though... just ignore them >.>

http://www.debate.org...
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annhasle
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3/6/2011 3:06:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:03:45 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Alternative option? A competent site moderator. That's the only way we can have true objectiveness.:

There's nothing to be objective about as long as the moderator is applying the rules sent forth by DDO.

Maybe it's just my cynicism, but I just image inside deals and people PMing the user mod to do X, Y and Z since they're friends. That sense of obligation can lead to ill-advised choices.

It wouldn't be like, well, I hate capitalism, so therefore I'm gonna ban you. Nobody would stand for that.

Unless you were to lie and say it was for something else?

The mods would give warning. Hey, stop posting [insert reason here]. If it continues you'll be suspended. If it happens again after your suspension, you'll be banned.

I can't see why Juggle doesn't bring in more mods or outside help. Creating mods form the inside would create suspicion and problems, imo.
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
askbob
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3/6/2011 3:09:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I say we elect three user mods and give them the ability to temporarily silence members until admin judgement is dealt with.
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
Koopin
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3/6/2011 3:09:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:09:04 PM, askbob wrote:
I say we elect three user mods and give them the ability to temporarily silence members until admin judgement is dealt with.

This is a much better idea.
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3/6/2011 3:14:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 2:44:16 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
On other forums, the Admins have total control over how the site is run. Because they're not omniscient, they usually delegate moderators to watch over the site in their absence.

Usually moderators are be selected because of their even-keeled temperament and non-judgmental attitude.

I suggest we contact Julia and the Juggle crew to see if they can't delegate some authority to 1 or 2 members of the forum with special privileges.

I say we vote on it. The two people with the most votes can be presented to Juggle for their final approval.

My suggestion is: Innomen

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but i think there should be some process to it, where more are involved. I do thank you though paradigm.
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3/6/2011 3:19:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Also, I hope my criticisms of the idea aren't being read as though they are faults which would happen if innomen was a user mod. I'm speaking about the idea in the most generalist sense. I trust innomen much more than that. I just wanted to clarify. >.>
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innomen
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3/6/2011 3:26:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:19:48 PM, annhasle wrote:
Also, I hope my criticisms of the idea aren't being read as though they are faults which would happen if innomen was a user mod. I'm speaking about the idea in the most generalist sense. I trust innomen much more than that. I just wanted to clarify. >.>

NOt at all, i think most everyone agrees with your concerns and hesitations.

It might be helpful for people to know that there are steps being taken by the Cody administration to help with this issue.
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3/6/2011 3:33:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:01:13 PM, belle wrote:
juggle already set up system for outside moderation, where if you report a post a completely objective outside person will review it and determine whether or not it violates the ToS. i think you guys are getting a little too upset over the presence of a few trolls though... just ignore them >.>

Yea... the net result of this system is that the site is unmoderated. In fact I think it's quite likely that this third party moderation is a lie.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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3/6/2011 3:39:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:26:25 PM, innomen wrote:
At 3/6/2011 3:19:48 PM, annhasle wrote:
Also, I hope my criticisms of the idea aren't being read as though they are faults which would happen if innomen was a user mod. I'm speaking about the idea in the most generalist sense. I trust innomen much more than that. I just wanted to clarify. >.>

NOt at all, i think most everyone agrees with your concerns and hesitations.

Okay, cool. I was hoping people would see it was a criticism of the idea and not you. Dx

It might be helpful for people to know that there are steps being taken by the Cody administration to help with this issue.

Yes, that is indeed true.

If by some chance we do acquire user mods, I would vote for innomen but then also anyone else who would be wary of the power. What I mean by that is... I would support someone becoming a user mod if they:
a. were aware of the problems and willing to remain as transparent as possible
b. were trustful enough that the community would support them
c. were online every day
d. and wouldn't view this increase in "power" as a right to ban everyone/everything. I'd hope they'd remain in contact with Juggle and the community while making sure that they ban the "right" people.

I don't know if that user exists but I think innomen fits the criteria. :)
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3/6/2011 3:41:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/6/2011 3:09:04 PM, askbob wrote:
I say we elect three user mods and give them the ability to temporarily silence members until admin judgement is dealt with.:

How?
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