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BangBang-Coconut
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4/5/2011 9:40:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Hey guys, I am in dire need of some evidence supporting the claim, that the minimal wages overseas workers get for working outsourced jobs is better than the wages they would receive without it. I found a really good article about this a while ago, but the website I found it on has recently changed their lay-out; and I can't find it anymore.

Anyway, and help you guys could give would be amazing!
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4/5/2011 9:42:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
You don't really need research for that--the fact that they take those jobs is evidence enough. If they choose the "outsourced" jobs, over the jobs they otherwise could have done, then obviously those jobs are better.
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4/6/2011 12:28:00 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
This is a bland libertarian suggestion, but I would seriously suggest just looking through articles on the Ludwig von Mises institute on the topic for this:

http://mises.org...
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4/7/2011 11:18:13 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/5/2011 9:42:18 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
You don't really need research for that--the fact that they take those jobs is evidence enough. If they choose the "outsourced" jobs, over the jobs they otherwise could have done, then obviously those jobs are better.

Sure it sounds okay logically, but a good card of some-one of more prestige than me never hurts.
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4/7/2011 11:18:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/6/2011 12:28:00 AM, Grape wrote:
This is a bland libertarian suggestion, but I would seriously suggest just looking through articles on the Ludwig von Mises institute on the topic for this:

http://mises.org...

Thank you, I will!
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4/9/2011 9:54:33 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/9/2011 9:23:09 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
Here is a reference with good data:

http://www.independent.org...

To find things with Google the trick is to try the search with different key phrases. I used "sweatshops pay more"

Roy, you're a lifesaver, thank you so much!
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4/9/2011 2:11:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/5/2011 9:42:18 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
You don't really need research for that--the fact that they take those jobs is evidence enough. If they choose the "outsourced" jobs, over the jobs they otherwise could have done, then obviously those jobs are better.

Except for the fact at least some portion of the labor is forced and unpaid, worker safety is not a priority and deadly accidents are common, workers put in 10+ hour days 7 days a week. Some estimates of Laogai labor camps in China -- forced, unpaid labor for political prisoners such as the Tienanmen Square protesters and Tibetan demonstrators -- have the number of slaves used to refine raw material in the millions.

Your "don't need research" claim establishes you don't care what actually occurs and establishes yourself as refusing to even attempt to establish any credibility for your claims. Without research, your contentions are entirely made up.
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4/9/2011 2:16:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/9/2011 2:11:11 PM, PervRat wrote:
At 4/5/2011 9:42:18 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
You don't really need research for that--the fact that they take those jobs is evidence enough. If they choose the "outsourced" jobs, over the jobs they otherwise could have done, then obviously those jobs are better.

Except for the fact at least some portion of the labor is forced and unpaid, worker safety is not a priority and deadly accidents are common, workers put in 10+ hour days 7 days a week. Some estimates of Laogai labor camps in China -- forced, unpaid labor for political prisoners such as the Tienanmen Square protesters and Tibetan demonstrators -- have the number of slaves used to refine raw material in the millions.

Your "don't need research" claim establishes you don't care what actually occurs and establishes yourself as refusing to even attempt to establish any credibility for your claims. Without research, your contentions are entirely made up.

If you read the OP, you'd have seen that he said "outsourced jobs," meaning jobs for Western corporations--forced labor for political prisoners is a completely different thing. If we're talking about workers who choose Western sweatshops over other jobs available in those countries, which is what the OP specifically asked for information about, then my point stands.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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4/12/2011 5:53:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Bump, I still need help.

Why? I'd think Roy's link would be enough.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
Rockylightning
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4/12/2011 7:35:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 5:53:59 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Bump, I still need help.

Why? I'd think Roy's link would be enough.

Wikiquote, Wikisource, wikinews, mediawiki, wikipedia

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4/12/2011 9:10:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 5:53:59 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Bump, I still need help.

Why? I'd think Roy's link would be enough.

It's a fantastic link, and I already have the card cut and ready to use; But if I only have one card, it will be a bit biased.
BangBang-Coconut
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4/12/2011 9:11:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 9:10:05 PM, PFD_Debater wrote:
At 4/12/2011 5:53:59 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Bump, I still need help.

Why? I'd think Roy's link would be enough.

It's a fantastic link, and I already have the card cut and ready to use; But if I only have one card, it will be a bit biased.

?
BangBang-Coconut
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4/12/2011 9:12:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/5/2011 9:42:18 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
You don't really need research for that--the fact that they take those jobs is evidence enough. If they choose the "outsourced" jobs, over the jobs they otherwise could have done, then obviously those jobs are better.

It is, but just one source isn't enough.
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4/12/2011 9:12:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 7:35:39 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 4/12/2011 5:53:59 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Bump, I still need help.

Why? I'd think Roy's link would be enough.

Wikiquote, Wikisource, wikinews, mediawiki, wikipedia

(in order)
http://www.wikiquote.org...
http://www.wikisource.org...
http://www.wikinews.org...
http://mediawiki.org...
http://wikipedia.org...

Thank you so much, but Wikipedia isn't allowed; Otherwise I would hae already used it.
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4/12/2011 9:14:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 9:11:35 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 4/12/2011 9:10:05 PM, PFD_Debater wrote:
At 4/12/2011 5:53:59 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Bump, I still need help.

Why? I'd think Roy's link would be enough.

It's a fantastic link, and I already have the card cut and ready to use; But if I only have one card, it will be a bit biased.

?

I just realized I posted this in the wrong forum, oops.
BangBang-Coconut
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4/12/2011 9:16:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 9:14:19 PM, PFD_Debater wrote:
At 4/12/2011 9:11:35 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 4/12/2011 9:10:05 PM, PFD_Debater wrote:
At 4/12/2011 5:53:59 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 4/12/2011 11:50:23 AM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Bump, I still need help.

Why? I'd think Roy's link would be enough.

It's a fantastic link, and I already have the card cut and ready to use; But if I only have one card, it will be a bit biased.

?

I just realized I posted this in the wrong forum, oops.

Ha, ha it's fine XD.
BangBang-Coconut
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4/15/2011 9:03:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 6:43:56 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Google "sweatshops pay more" and you will get a whole bunch. I told ya.

I guess at this point that's my best bet. Thanks Roy!