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Freeman
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4/15/2011 2:00:55 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Before I get into anything specific, let me say congratulations to everyone who won their first debate. And let me extend a special congratulations to Feverish who did so well that his opponent ended up conceding. (That doesn't happen very often.) Commiserations to those that did not win their first debate. But remember to keep your head up because this is a double elimination tournament. It's not over.

Winners

1. Feverish
2. CiRrK
3. RoyLatham
4. Danielle

Second Place

1. Hello-Orange
2. Sieben
3. Mongeese
4. Blackvoid

The tournament has been a learning experience for me. With your help, I've seen what works and what doesn't work. I did not anticipate, for example, the possibility that several people would disappear in the first round, which made it a lot harder to try and keep everything organized. Consequently, much stricter guidelines will be set up for round two, but we can get into that in a different thread. The purpose of this thread is to tie up some loose ends for round 1.

There are still three debates right now that technically don't have a winner. Exactly three days from the time I post this, the winners will be decided, as if the debates had countdown clocks. Whoever is ahead at the end will have won. If you haven't voted already on any of these debates, this will be your last chance to cast your vote.

1. Brian v. mongoose http://www.debate.org...
2. Badger v. TUF http://www.debate.org...
3. Skeptic v. LaissezFaire http://www.debate.org...

People in the winning bracket are allowed to debate other people from the winning bracket. People that lost their first debate are allowed to debate other people that also lost their first debate. Apart from this restriction, your next partner for round two is up to you. So, if any groups want to get started early, I don't see any real problems with that. In fact, I would encourage it.

Moreover, there are still four debates that need to be finished (or started) for round 1, but I'm not going to hold up round two on account of that. We'll find some way to speed up the progress of those debates to go in sync with the others.

1. Freeman v. tvellalott http://www.debate.org...
2. Grape vs. UnitedAndy http://www.debate.org...
3. J.Kenyon vs Annhasle http://www.debate.org...
4. PcP v. Vi http://www.debate.org...

A thread marking the beginning of round two will be up in approximately four days.
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darkkermit
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4/15/2011 11:58:38 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 9:34:13 AM, badger wrote:
shouldn't the winners be facing the losers? to possibly make for more exciting finals :)

It makes the second round more interesting. Those debating in the loser bracket are now debating to stay in the competition for the third round. Pressure is on.
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4/15/2011 12:03:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
TUF and I will be doing a video debate on the resolution, Resolved: There is no right or wrong in any political discussions.
Freeman
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4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.
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4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?
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4/15/2011 6:47:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

Yeah... so people can get off my back for having a 53 person tournament last 9 months lol

Although, most of the problems of tournaments could be fixed (or at least improved) with site software. If it was done right, each round would last for about a week. And you could do more than one round at a time (which is an advantage that online has to live debates).
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4/16/2011 3:17:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM, TUF wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?

In an ideal world that would be great. But I don't think it's going to happen. The winners will be decided based on who votes, at least for the time being.
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4/16/2011 3:23:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 3:17:09 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM, TUF wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?

In an ideal world that would be great. But I don't think it's going to happen. The winners will be decided based on who votes, at least for the time being.

are you saying you'll be looking to votes of particular debaters?
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4/16/2011 3:39:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 3:23:24 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:17:09 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM, TUF wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?

In an ideal world that would be great. But I don't think it's going to happen. The winners will be decided based on who votes, at least for the time being.

are you saying you'll be looking to votes of particular debaters?

What do you mean?
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4/16/2011 3:41:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 3:39:25 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:23:24 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:17:09 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM, TUF wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?

In an ideal world that would be great. But I don't think it's going to happen. The winners will be decided based on who votes, at least for the time being.

are you saying you'll be looking to votes of particular debaters?

What do you mean?

what do you mean? :P
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Freeman
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4/16/2011 3:47:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 3:41:32 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:39:25 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:23:24 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:17:09 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM, TUF wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?

In an ideal world that would be great. But I don't think it's going to happen. The winners will be decided based on who votes, at least for the time being.

are you saying you'll be looking to votes of particular debaters?

What do you mean?

what do you mean? :P

I went first. :P
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4/16/2011 3:54:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 3:47:01 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:41:32 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:39:25 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:23:24 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:17:09 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM, TUF wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?

In an ideal world that would be great. But I don't think it's going to happen. The winners will be decided based on who votes, at least for the time being.

are you saying you'll be looking to votes of particular debaters?

What do you mean?

what do you mean? :P

I went first. :P

well i take it you actually meant that the debates would just be decided on how the votes have went? so never mind :P
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4/16/2011 3:58:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 3:54:32 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:47:01 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:41:32 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:39:25 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:23:24 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/16/2011 3:17:09 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 4:42:24 PM, TUF wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:25:48 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

It will get easier by the end of round two. There are twenty people right now. By the end of round 2, there will only be 15, perhaps less.

So for a debater to be decided a winner, do all tournament debaters have to vote on the debate?

In an ideal world that would be great. But I don't think it's going to happen. The winners will be decided based on who votes, at least for the time being.

are you saying you'll be looking to votes of particular debaters?

What do you mean?

what do you mean? :P

I went first. :P

well i take it you actually meant that the debates would just be decided on how the votes have went? so never mind :P

Yeah, exactly.
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Freeman
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4/16/2011 4:07:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
On a side note, if anyone is going to be dropping out of the tournament, it would be nice if you could indicate this now. You can send me a PM if you don't want to say it here.
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Freeman
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4/17/2011 1:57:59 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 6:47:57 PM, Johnicle wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:01:06 PM, OreEle wrote:
holy crude, this is just now entering round 2?

Yeah... so people can get off my back for having a 53 person tournament last 9 months lol

Although, most of the problems of tournaments could be fixed (or at least improved) with site software. If it was done right, each round would last for about a week. And you could do more than one round at a time (which is an advantage that online has to live debates).

Were you guys able to finish? Did someone end up winning the entire thing? Also, I'd love to have you on board as counsel if you're interested. I'm sure that you have a lot of good advice.
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4/17/2011 2:05:26 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
1. Brian v. mongoose
2. Badger v. TUF
3. Skeptic v. LaissezFaire

You really can't pick the official winner for those debates above now?
I'm quite certain that TUF, LaissezFaire, and mongoose won those debates.
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4/17/2011 2:14:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/17/2011 2:05:26 AM, darkkermit wrote:
1. Brian v. mongoose
2. Badger v. TUF
3. Skeptic v. LaissezFaire

You really can't pick the official winner for those debates above now?
I'm quite certain that TUF, LaissezFaire, and mongoose won those debates.

I just want to avoid any actual (or perceived) conflict of interest by seeming arbitrary in declaring a winner right now. There is practically no chance the results of any of those debates are going to be overtured. (All of the debates are fairly one sided in terms of the voting.) But still, I think setting an official countdown time is best since all of them are open ended in terms of the voting period.
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4/17/2011 9:06:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
1. Brian v. mongoose http://www.debate.org...
2. Badger v. TUF http://www.debate.org...
3. Skeptic v. LaissezFaire http://www.debate.org...

Unless anyone has any objections (or suggestions), the voting period on the above debates will end in five hours, which marks the third day since this thread was posted.
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4/18/2011 4:35:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
After much procrastination, I have to quit the tournament. I simply have no desire to write any worthy arguments and I feel like I'd simply be wasting peoples times. I apologise to Freeman, who has written a very nice Pro-Vegetarian argument that I can't even begin to respond to.

Again, I'm very sorry.
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4/20/2011 2:20:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'll try to put another update up later tonight.

In the meantime, are there any other groups lined up for round 2?

So far, I have:

TUF vs. CiRrK
LaissezFaire vs. Feverish

If you don't have any particular interest in being paired up with someone, then you can just be assigned a partner randomly.
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4/20/2011 2:32:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/20/2011 2:25:37 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
It appears annhasle has been abducted by Geo's aliens. Now what?

Ask Panda, he might know where she is. Geo's concepts about aliens are as bogus as Godsand's concepts about providence. She is still Earthbound.
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4/20/2011 2:51:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/20/2011 2:32:11 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 4/20/2011 2:25:37 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
It appears annhasle has been abducted by Geo's aliens. Now what?

Ask Panda, he might know where she is. Geo's concepts about aliens are as bogus as Godsand's concepts about providence. She is still Earthbound.

Lol true dat.

Anyways, our debate is just about done, I'm guessing it will be done either tonight or tomorrow. :)

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