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5/6/2011 10:25:35 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
It has been brought to our attention that there have been a number of recent incidents where members of this site have posted the personal information of other members and openly encouraging harassment using the provided information. This type of action will no longer be tolerated on this website.

Collecting personal information of members and posting it on Debate.org, regardless of the public availability of the information, will result in swift removal of the post and a suspension of the posting member's account. Openly encouraging other members to harass another member using personal information such as address, phone number, name etc., will simply not be tolerated on Debate.org.

Many members of this website are minors. Consequently, posting their personal information in a public forum such as Debate.org is not only inappropriate and dangerous; it is a liability for Juggle and the offending member(s) posting the information. Engaging legal counsel and addressing formal complaints as a result of this harassment is a waste of resources and time that should be focused on more productive things. Simply put, the harassment that prompts these complaints should not be occurring under any circumstances.

If there are members that you would like to report or for whatever reason whether it is vote-bombing, multi-accounting, spam debates, etc., the appropriate action to take is to report the member using the report flag. "Vigilante" moderation is not the path to take and will result in a suspension of your account should you engage in such activity.

To reiterate, from this day on - any member who posts another member's personal information on this website without their consent will have his/her account suspended. We will not condone harassment at this magnitude and will suspend members who openly engage in the activity on Debate.org.
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5/6/2011 10:28:10 AM
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At 5/6/2011 10:25:35 AM, Forum Moderator wrote:
It has been brought to our attention that there have been a number of recent incidents where members of this site have posted the personal information of other members and openly encouraging harassment using the provided information. This type of action will no longer be tolerated on this website.

WHO COULD THAT BE!?!?!?!?
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5/6/2011 11:08:24 AM
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Collecting personal information of members and posting it on Debate.org, regardless of the public availability of the information

If it's public how can it be personal?
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
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5/6/2011 11:09:52 AM
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At 5/6/2011 11:08:24 AM, askbob wrote:
Collecting personal information of members and posting it on Debate.org, regardless of the public availability of the information

If it's public how can it be personal?

public =/= not personal
public = not private
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5/6/2011 11:14:33 AM
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I would suggest adding that then to the very long and vague list that we're privileged to call our TOS
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kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
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5/6/2011 11:16:13 AM
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so what's the difference between personal information and public information then?
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
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5/6/2011 11:53:52 AM
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At 5/6/2011 11:16:13 AM, askbob wrote:
so what's the difference between personal information and public information then?

Bob I don't think the 'private' nature of it is necessarily the issue. It's the provocation. The internet is a dangerous place; the only thing keeping us comfortable is safety in numbers. But when you single someone out of the herd and spotlight them, particularly by using personal information obtained outside the limits of this site (which is not implied by them to be used by members of this site) then you are arguably decreasing their safety. If you want to argue that degree, I would suggest not attempting it in this thread as it doesn't appear to be up for discussion.
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5/6/2011 12:27:50 PM
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At 5/6/2011 11:53:52 AM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
At 5/6/2011 11:16:13 AM, askbob wrote:
so what's the difference between personal information and public information then?

Bob I don't think the 'private' nature of it is necessarily the issue. It's the provocation. The internet is a dangerous place; the only thing keeping us comfortable is safety in numbers. But when you single someone out of the herd and spotlight them, particularly by using personal information obtained outside the limits of this site (which is not implied by them to be used by members of this site) then you are arguably decreasing their safety. If you want to argue that degree, I would suggest not attempting it in this thread as it doesn't appear to be up for discussion.

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5/6/2011 1:02:11 PM
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At 5/6/2011 11:53:52 AM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
At 5/6/2011 11:16:13 AM, askbob wrote:
so what's the difference between personal information and public information then?

Bob I don't think the 'private' nature of it is necessarily the issue. It's the provocation. The internet is a dangerous place

stopped reading here
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
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5/6/2011 2:51:02 PM
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Finally! Some justice being done!

Thank you for all the people at Debate.org who are taking this situation seriously.

I suggest that there be another class of membership created. An adult class that is verified by credit or debit card. This adult class would have the option to create and participate in debates and/or forums that have a setting for "everyone" or "adults only".

This option would help prevent certain kinds of problems on this website between members, while also protecting the rights of adults to communicate as adults between one another. If an adult creates a forum about sex...this should not be a forum that minors should participate in as they are minors and their parents might feel very strongly about such things.

Having an adult verified membership would be a good idea for both the safety and the enjoyment of this site as a whole.

Thank you for your time.

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5/6/2011 2:54:46 PM
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People with no experience of the site would assume it to be a scam, Lionheart.
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5/6/2011 2:59:20 PM
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There is no need to segregate the site.

If you want, go ahead and make a little club of "adults" on the site, circle jerk each other, and refuse to debate those who are under 18.

If you want, I'll start this club up. Just send me a private message with your credit card information or debit card information, and I will personally confirm that they are valid.
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5/6/2011 2:59:32 PM
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At 5/6/2011 2:51:02 PM, Lionheart wrote:
Finally! Some justice being done!

Thank you for all the people at Debate.org who are taking this situation seriously.

I suggest that there be another class of membership created. An adult class that is verified by credit or debit card. This adult class would have the option to create and participate in debates and/or forums that have a setting for "everyone" or "adults only".

This option would help prevent certain kinds of problems on this website between members, while also protecting the rights of adults to communicate as adults between one another. If an adult creates a forum about sex...this should not be a forum that minors should participate in as they are minors and their parents might feel very strongly about such things.

Having an adult verified membership would be a good idea for both the safety and the enjoyment of this site as a whole.

Thank you for your time.

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Or we could just make a class for you, all by yourself.
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
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5/6/2011 3:02:57 PM
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Yeah, you are the kind of people I am talking about. Alfonzo, askbob.
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5/6/2011 3:06:43 PM
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This might come off as a surprise to you, Lionheart, but both Askbob and I are of the pornographic age, and have the identification that is necessary to join your stupid little club.

Your plan wouldn't even accomplish what you want.

For that note, the only good excuse for an adult club is beer.
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5/6/2011 3:09:05 PM
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At 5/6/2011 3:02:57 PM, Lionheart wrote:
Yeah, you are the kind of people I am talking about. Alfonzo, askbob.

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5/6/2011 3:14:31 PM
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Whatever you say Alfonzo.....

Well, maybe you have a point. Maybe there should be an option for whoever creates the forum to block anybody he wants from his forum. I mean it is his forum after all.

That would take care of this problem real quick.

Anybody that you have blocked, cannot participate in a forum that you create. Done.
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5/6/2011 3:30:44 PM
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Anybody that you have blocked, cannot participate in a forum that you create. Done.

And meanwhile, all the cool people hang around in the open forums while you sit in your lonely censored forum posting 'bump' every half hour hoping someone pays attention to you.
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5/6/2011 3:47:29 PM
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This "vigilante moderation" is the result of the complete failure of the actual moderators to control votebombing. The official moderators have little presence on the site at all except for the few instances like this where they make matters worse. Sans any effort on the part of the owners of the site to address this problem, it shouldn't be surprising that some members are taking matters into their own hands.

This is not a system that I prefer by any means. It's biased, imprecise, and extreme, but it's all that's being done. Askbob (obviously that's who this is about) has contributed a lot to making the site better. It would certainly be better of someone who's job it is to do it dealt with problematic individuals instead of having him deal with it by such extreme means. There is no option of having an unmoderated site, and moderation that sides with people who are purposely creating problems over people who are trying to improve the site.

This is not coming from one of Askbob's lackeys. I don't like him and I have never said otherwise, but he has probably contributed more to DDO than anyone else.
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5/6/2011 3:49:59 PM
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"Cool people"? Hahahahaha.... Yeah right Kinesis. I am talking about the blocked people on your profile not being able to participate in a forum you create. Obviously if I have you blocked, then I wouldn't really care that you are not in my forum. An a lot of the people I block are trolls. I look forward to the day when I can block them from my forums.

Go hang out with your "cool people" if that's what you call yourself.
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5/6/2011 3:58:56 PM
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Here is the fact. You can't do anything about a vote bomb and neither can anybody else! It is the right of a person who can vote to vote how they please for whatever reason they please! They don't need a good reason! This is the power of voting. If you make somebody angry then you better expect they are gonna vote against you. That is what makes a voting system a voting system. How much somebody likes you or your topic has just as much to do with their vote than the argument you set forth.

If I don't like abortion and you are for it... Well then you can probably expect my points against you. This is because the system allows for such things. If you don't like it... change the voting system. But until then...quit wining about why people voted 7 points against you. It doesn't matter if they have a good reason or a bad reason... Their vote points still count. You can't do anything about it.

Any efforts to correct or manipulate people's vote = fail

Any effort to stop "vote bombing" = fail

You are fighting a losing battle. It's a person's right to vote however they want, for whatever reasons.
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5/6/2011 3:59:43 PM
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At 5/6/2011 3:47:29 PM, Grape wrote:
This "vigilante moderation" is the result of the complete failure of the actual moderators to control votebombing. The official moderators have little presence on the site at all except for the few instances like this where they make matters worse. Sans any effort on the part of the owners of the site to address this problem, it shouldn't be surprising that some members are taking matters into their own hands.

This is not a system that I prefer by any means. It's biased, imprecise, and extreme, but it's all that's being done. Askbob (obviously that's who this is about) has contributed a lot to making the site better. It would certainly be better of someone who's job it is to do it dealt with problematic individuals instead of having him deal with it by such extreme means. There is no option of having an unmoderated site, and moderation that sides with people who are purposely creating problems over people who are trying to improve the site.

This is not coming from one of Askbob's lackeys. I don't like him and I have never said otherwise, but he has probably contributed more to DDO than anyone else.

I would argue against that. The current system is set up that we have to report issues for them to be fixed (not my ideal, but that is how it is setup). If people are not reporting issues, the mod team won't see any issues and so can't fix any issues.

How many times did Askbob "report" suspected votebombers and multi-accounters in these incidents? During the Rogue incident, as soon as it was suspected that she was a multi-accounter, the very first thing that was done was not to report it to the mods and let them handle it, it was to create a thread to demand that she be kicked off the site. Turns out later, that she wasn't multi-accounting.

We had one of the most obvious trolls, Muffin Man, who went around for a few days posting nothing but "suck my d***" in random threads. I contacted Julia, she responded with "we're looking into that account" and he was banned (by the mods) 10 minutes later.

The moderation staff works if you use it as it is intended to work. If you don't use it as intended, and just expect them to see things on their own, then it won't work, but in that case, you should just blame yourself for not using things as designed.
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5/6/2011 4:04:24 PM
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At 5/6/2011 3:58:56 PM, Lionheart wrote:
Here is the fact. You can't do anything about a vote bomb and neither can anybody else!

Yes we can.

It is the right of a person who can vote to vote how they please for whatever reason they please! They don't need a good reason!

No it isn't. You do not have that right on this website, unless a debate says that it doesn't require an RFD. The staff added that option in (to require RFDs), meaning that it is required on those debates. If you work around it, your vote will likely be canceled by someone else (at a minimum), or at most, the staff could ban you.

This is the power of voting. If you make somebody angry then you better expect they are gonna vote against you. That is what makes a voting system a voting system. How much somebody likes you or your topic has just as much to do with their vote than the argument you set forth.

That's called bias voting and it is not intellectually accurate.


If I don't like abortion and you are for it... Well then you can probably expect my points against you. This is because the system allows for such things. If you don't like it... change the voting system. But until then...quit wining about why people voted 7 points against you. It doesn't matter if they have a good reason or a bad reason... Their vote points still count. You can't do anything about it.

Any efforts to correct or manipulate people's vote = fail

Any effort to stop "vote bombing" = fail

You are fighting a losing battle. It's a person's right to vote however they want, for whatever reasons.
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5/6/2011 4:05:02 PM
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I agree with you OreEle. I do use the system. I'm pretty sure other people were using it yesterday as well... This topic proves it.
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5/6/2011 4:09:09 PM
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OreEle I'm not talking about how "right" it is or how "accurate it is"... You can't stop it. You think you can, but you would fail. If someone wants to vote with 7 points they can. All they have to say is that they agree with whoever and then vote. There is nothing restricting this. Even if there was, people can just lie.

You can not stop people from voting how they wish.

If people could do that... Then any voting system wouldn't even be useful anymore.

Sorry, but you can't stop it.
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5/6/2011 4:11:13 PM
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If anyone wants to post any debate that Lionheart has votebombed I would be happy to cancel it out.
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5/6/2011 4:13:31 PM
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At 5/6/2011 4:09:09 PM, Lionheart wrote:
OreEle I'm not talking about how "right" it is or how "accurate it is"... You can't stop it. You think you can, but you would fail. If someone wants to vote with 7 points they can. All they have to say is that they agree with whoever and then vote. There is nothing restricting this. Even if there was, people can just lie.

You can not stop people from voting how they wish.

If people could do that... Then any voting system wouldn't even be useful anymore.

Sorry, but you can't stop it.

But you can cancel the effects of it. Go ahead and vote how you wish, so long as I (or social pinko or anyone else) can make sure that your RFDless votes are left impotent, than no one really cares.
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5/6/2011 4:16:57 PM
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At 5/6/2011 4:13:31 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/6/2011 4:09:09 PM, Lionheart wrote:
OreEle I'm not talking about how "right" it is or how "accurate it is"... You can't stop it. You think you can, but you would fail. If someone wants to vote with 7 points they can. All they have to say is that they agree with whoever and then vote. There is nothing restricting this. Even if there was, people can just lie.

You can not stop people from voting how they wish.

If people could do that... Then any voting system wouldn't even be useful anymore.

Sorry, but you can't stop it.

But you can cancel the effects of it. Go ahead and vote how you wish, so long as I (or social pinko or anyone else) can make sure that your RFDless votes are left impotent, than no one really cares.

It's still intellectual dishonestly though to votebomb or vote unfairly without reading the debate. Using counter-votebombs doesn't change the persons behavior. Votebombers should be punished, not neutralized.
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