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askbob
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5/16/2011 5:26:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Seriously though, ever notice who has actually done things to improve this site? Me and tvellalott. I honestly don't really even care about the election anymore, as the past presidents have actually done nothing while I've done boatloads of work for the betterment of the site.

Who's started beginner games and followed through with modding 12 games and engaged new members?
Me

Who archived the mafia games so that past moderators could use them and the roles to improve their games and then when an idiot didn't pay the server fee's rearchived the first 4 and is working on the rest?

Me

Who setup the entire fans site and added all functionality that was lacking on this site?
Me and TV

Who's started several forums announcing bugs in this site and pushing for the moderators to do something about it?
Roy

Who coded a lot of the member pages on the last fans site and made hilarious pictures for them?
Panda

Not innomen, not anyone in his party, ever. When it comes down to it we really don't even need the election. The only reason I was doing it was to gauge members approval on my policy, but instead it's turned into some popularity contest with no policy being offered as an alternative and no real differences or complaints with my policy. So since that's the issue, I'm going to start moving forward and enacting my policy.

If anyone has a real issue with any of the policy, votes can be had to determine how to proceed.

So this thread is to announce that my party is taking power regardless of the results of the election. It will recognize those who actually do something and not those who just say they will do something.

I didn't ask people to join my party.

I didn't choose them because they were the most popular people on the site.

I chose them because I believe they will be the most effective at accomplishing my policy.

If you want to do something to better the site and prefer one committee over another PM me with what you want to do. The goals are clearly outlined.
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
askbob
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5/16/2011 5:28:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 5:26:50 PM, Koopin wrote:
You wanna drop out of the elections?

The members of this site can choose to recognize whatever party they wish. As my party exists, it will still be an option for recognition.
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
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5/16/2011 5:28:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 5:26:00 PM, askbob wrote:
Seriously though, ever notice who has actually done things to improve this site? Me and tvellalott. I honestly don't really even care about the election anymore, as the past presidents have actually done nothing while I've done boatloads of work for the betterment of the site.

Who's started beginner games and followed through with modding 12 games and engaged new members?
Me

Who archived the mafia games so that past moderators could use them and the roles to improve their games and then when an idiot didn't pay the server fee's rearchived the first 4 and is working on the rest?

Me

Who setup the entire fans site and added all functionality that was lacking on this site?
Me and TV

Who's started several forums announcing bugs in this site and pushing for the moderators to do something about it?
Roy

Who coded a lot of the member pages on the last fans site and made hilarious pictures for them?
Panda

Not innomen, not anyone in his party, ever. When it comes down to it we really don't even need the election. The only reason I was doing it was to gauge members approval on my policy, but instead it's turned into some popularity contest with no policy being offered as an alternative and no real differences or complaints with my policy. So since that's the issue, I'm going to start moving forward and enacting my policy.

If anyone has a real issue with any of the policy, votes can be had to determine how to proceed.

So this thread is to announce that my party is taking power regardless of the results of the election. It will recognize those who actually do something and not those who just say they will do something.

I didn't ask people to join my party.

I didn't choose them because they were the most popular people on the site.

I chose them because I believe they will be the most effective at accomplishing my policy.

If you want to do something to better the site and prefer one committee over another PM me with what you want to do. The goals are clearly outlined.

Yeah, I think you may have missed the point of the elections.
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5/16/2011 5:29:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 5:28:36 PM, Thaddeus wrote:

Yeah, I think you may have missed the point of the elections.

This happens every time. But I wasn't expecting it from askbob.
kfc
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5/16/2011 5:30:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 5:26:00 PM, askbob wrote:
Me and tvellalott.
I've done boatloads of work
Me
Me
Me and TV
That's the past not the future...
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5/16/2011 5:31:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Sounds like a fun coup. However, this option, to work independently has always been available. The purpose of the elections is that Juggle is pay MORE attention to the elected leaders, thus allowing for greater changes.
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5/16/2011 5:32:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 5:31:27 PM, OreEle wrote:
Sounds like a fun coup. However, this option, to work independently has always been available. The purpose of the elections is that Juggle is pay MORE attention to the elected leaders, thus allowing for greater changes.

Yes, and for the fun of it.
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askbob
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5/16/2011 5:36:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The fun of it for me was having different people offer different policies to improve the site. No one has done that except for me. The good that came out of it was additional policies from innomen (tournament feature) and suggestions made by cliff regarding the ELO rating system. At this point nothing new is being offered and no real opposition has been offered to my policy. If there was, an additional benefit could be realizing the flaws in my policy and making a better policy.

As of now it's a dull popularity contest in which people such as joshandr30 by the direction of innomen are attempting to annoy me with stupidity.

The real purpose and fun of the elections in my mind is over.
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
mattrodstrom
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5/16/2011 5:38:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Vote Bob!

sorry innomen :/
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5/16/2011 5:40:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Wow. I'm Speechless at the fact that a popularity contest has included mudslinging and someone claiming they are taking power.

But hey
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
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Thaddeus
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5/16/2011 5:49:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 5:40:42 PM, Cobo wrote:
Wow. I'm Speechless at the fact that a popularity contest has included mudslinging and someone claiming they are taking power.

But hey
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

Thats the fun. If it was played out completely straight I don't think anyone would really care
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5/16/2011 7:17:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This election is pretty simple.

You can treat it as former elections => like a fun joke.

Or you can treat is as an opportunity to give certain members a platform to improve the site.

Innomen is a great guy and if the election didn't mean anything or was just about "image" (who seems more "presidential"), I'd vote for him.

But, askbob will actually take the president job seriously - as our endorsement of him improving the site.

So is president a real position or just a fun joke. You decide...
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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5/16/2011 7:19:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 7:17:43 PM, bluesteel wrote:
This election is pretty simple.

You can treat it as former elections => like a fun joke.

Or you can treat is as an opportunity to give certain members a platform to improve the site.

Innomen is a great guy and if the election didn't mean anything or was just about "image" (who seems more "presidential"), I'd vote for him.

But, askbob will actually take the president job seriously - as our endorsement of him improving the site.

So is president a real position or just a fun joke. You decide...

Juggle has already said that they consider it a "real" position. But if the members of the site want it to be a meaningless joke, Juggle can accomidate and view it as worthless.
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5/16/2011 7:26:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 5:26:00 PM, askbob wrote:
Seriously though, ever notice who has actually done things to improve this site? Me and tvellalott. I honestly don't really even care about the election anymore, as the past presidents have actually done nothing while I've done boatloads of work for the betterment of the site.

Who's started beginner games and followed through with modding 12 games and engaged new members?
Me

Who archived the mafia games so that past moderators could use them and the roles to improve their games and then when an idiot didn't pay the server fee's rearchived the first 4 and is working on the rest?

Me

Who setup the entire fans site and added all functionality that was lacking on this site?
Me and TV

Who's started several forums announcing bugs in this site and pushing for the moderators to do something about it?
Roy

Who coded a lot of the member pages on the last fans site and made hilarious pictures for them?
Panda

Not innomen, not anyone in his party, ever. When it comes down to it we really don't even need the election. The only reason I was doing it was to gauge members approval on my policy, but instead it's turned into some popularity contest with no policy being offered as an alternative and no real differences or complaints with my policy. So since that's the issue, I'm going to start moving forward and enacting my policy.

If anyone has a real issue with any of the policy, votes can be had to determine how to proceed.

So this thread is to announce that my party is taking power regardless of the results of the election. It will recognize those who actually do something and not those who just say they will do something.

I didn't ask people to join my party.

I didn't choose them because they were the most popular people on the site.

I chose them because I believe they will be the most effective at accomplishing my policy.

If you want to do something to better the site and prefer one committee over another PM me with what you want to do. The goals are clearly outlined.

Lol at taking power that you can never have.

Lol at the me me me me.

Look, I agree that you have done great things for this site. I truly hope you keep doing the good that you do so very well.

You are a dedicated member of this web site and you deserve respect for that.

This election isn't about policies. Every one knows anyone can pull together and pention juggle for changes. That's common sense.

This election is about people speaking out against your behavior towards other people, especially the new ones. And I think you have finally realized this. This was a way for people to voice their disapproval of what you do here. I think most of the people that do support you don't like what you do, but you get things done.

As I have said, I think it is pretty clear that your behaviour isn't accepted and will longer be tolerated.

Now that this has been made crystal clear I would hope this site can move forward as one.

Honestly askbob, you had this election hands down, but your negative behaviors have jeopardized your winning.

I hope you know that there will always be someone to oppose your behaviors if you choose to continue in this path.

I don't know about innomen, but I can see a possible merger of all parties. One party with DDO as their main purpose and passion. I don't know how to work out the details but hope you take this opportunity to join together with innomen and the rest of DDO (all of it) make this the best damn debate site in the web. But when considering this option I hope you understand there will no room for your terrorism.
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tvellalott
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5/16/2011 7:33:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The first order of business is having every member who disagrees with askbob banned from the site...
(Remember discussions with askbob about abortion and Osama's dead...)

*BANNED*
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5/16/2011 7:56:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Askbob you are clearly a very talented, very self-driven individual and I imagine you will make a lot of money in your life and do a whole lot of productive things. You probably would do more productive things for the site than any other person (speaking in terms of organizing activities and discriminating rules, etc). But DDO isn't all about productivity and there is something to be said about being well-rounded. Your productive qualities are overshadowed by your lack of respect and your indignance. You've had every... EVERY chance to show the population of DDO that you are conscious of your mistakes and you've sided with your pride against us at every turn. People come on DDO to have fun, not to build weapons to help the U.S. defeat the axis of evil... Being productive just isn't enough to warrant your leadership. And the nail in the coffin of your campaign is your lack of concern about drawing in new members, which in my (and most everyone's, I will go out on a limb to assert) opinion is the absolute most important aspect of productivity for DDO. Recruitment is our bottom line, and you are missing that bottom line by a long shot. There's a couple more weeks to the election... Are you going to spend it spitting fire or are you going to use the time to discover humility? Can you even fake being considerate?
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5/16/2011 8:05:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 7:33:45 PM, tvellalott wrote:
The first order of business is having every member who disagrees with askbob banned from the site...
(Remember discussions with askbob about abortion and Osama's dead...)

*BANNED*


I would laugh but I'm not absolutely positive you are joking.
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tvellalott
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5/16/2011 8:09:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 8:05:00 PM, jharry wrote:
At 5/16/2011 7:33:45 PM, tvellalott wrote:
The first order of business is having every member who disagrees with askbob banned from the site...
(Remember discussions with askbob about abortion and Osama's dead...)

*BANNED*


I would laugh but I'm not absolutely positive you are joking.

Excellent. >:)
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5/16/2011 8:09:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
lol This if fun. A coup by Commander Askbob.

Next come the restrictions of free speech, the genocides, the controlled press, the cult of personality.

This is pretty cool.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

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5/16/2011 8:10:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 7:17:43 PM, bluesteel wrote:

So is president a real position or just a fun joke. You decide...

Innomen does not think the election is a joke, nor do the members of the party. You want to debate that, send me a challenge.
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5/16/2011 8:10:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 8:09:31 PM, M.Torres wrote:
lol This if fun. A coup by Commander Askbob.

Next come the restrictions of free speech, the genoci... *shot in the face*

Fix'd.
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5/16/2011 8:14:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 8:10:41 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/16/2011 8:09:31 PM, M.Torres wrote:
lol This if fun. A coup by Commander Askbob.

Next come the restrictions of free speech, the genoci... *shot in the face*

Fix'd.

That was funny.
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5/16/2011 8:15:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 8:10:41 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/16/2011 8:09:31 PM, M.Torres wrote:
lol This if fun. A coup by Commander Askbob.

Next come the restrictions of free speech, the genoci... *shot in the face*

Fix'd.

roflol

Can we expect a resistance movement from Geo?
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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5/16/2011 8:16:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 8:10:28 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 5/16/2011 7:17:43 PM, bluesteel wrote:

So is president a real position or just a fun joke. You decide...

Innomen does not think the election is a joke, nor do the members of the party. You want to debate that, send me a challenge.
I don't understand - what should he debate your over? It makes no sense.

Now regarding this whole election, I would like to make it clear that it is not supposed to be a run for fame, but run for improvement of the site. I think the elections are fun, but as I said last year, if the elected members get to have an important say in many issues, and are well connected to the moderators, then I think there are merits in the election. If we can improve the site together and welcome new people, then that would be good. I don't see how that is happening with "look at what I accomplished!" It is not about what you do. It is about what you make others do. If you make others leave this site for no good reasons, then your accomplishments mean nothing. All achievements for this site should be collective, for the most part.
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5/16/2011 8:44:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Askbob, this has nothing to do with the things you have done for this site, it has to do with who will be the voice from this community to juggle, and who will be responsible for maintaining an environment worth debating in.
Which means that controversy should be high, trolls should be minimal, and the respectful debate should be the top priority. I don't believe anyone has been trying to minimize the time you put into building up the wiki, fans site, n00b games, etc, but many people can see that your troll feeding, harassment, blatant disregard for the rules, etc are not want this site wants to identify with when it looks for a leader.
I personally think that if you would spend your time building a relationship with julia and taking concerns with her privately, you could be a wonderful leader, but your childishness is destroying your reputation. The Party Party, and the DDO Party merged in order to ensure that you don't represent us. Not because of a popularity contest, but because no one really wants to be associated with those behaviors, which range from telling other members to "go die" calling them "mentally retarded", posting private messages with them, putting up their personal information, etc etc.
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5/16/2011 8:46:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 8:44:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
askbob is mean and I like kitties, so nur nur.
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5/16/2011 8:49:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 8:44:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
Askbob, this has nothing to do with the things you have done for this site, it has to do with who will be the voice from this community to juggle, and who will be responsible for maintaining an environment worth debating in.
Which means that controversy should be high, trolls should be minimal, and the respectful debate should be the top priority. I don't believe anyone has been trying to minimize the time you put into building up the wiki, fans site, n00b games, etc, but many people can see that your troll feeding, harassment, blatant disregard for the rules, etc are not want this site wants to identify with when it looks for a leader.
I personally think that if you would spend your time building a relationship with julia and taking concerns with her privately, you could be a wonderful leader, but your childishness is destroying your reputation. The Party Party, and the DDO Party merged in order to ensure that you don't represent us. Not because of a popularity contest, but because no one really wants to be associated with those behaviors, which range from telling other members to "go die" calling them "mentally retarded", posting private messages with them, putting up their personal information, etc etc.

I agree reasonably with this. Besides, Askbob, it's not like anyone OPPOSED your off-shoot websites. But to be honest, I know I'm not interested in them. And they're big, but I find them insignificant and not tantamount to this site. The Twitter site is a definite plus, but a Mafia wiki? I don't see the practicality in that. Never look at it.

Plus, you do have a rather bad reputation as far as handling other people. I understand your concern with efficiency and getting the job done. But I keep thinking back to that first incident with Rogue. And apparently she didn't even do anything wrong.

I can't say I support Askbob, but I'm not sure I support anyone else either. And Askbob's tenacity to hunt down and abuse others' personal information to gain leverage over others cannot be considered a public interest for the site. Not to its users anyways.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

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5/17/2011 12:15:11 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/16/2011 7:56:12 PM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
Recruitment is our bottom line, and you are missing that bottom line by a long shot.

You aren't a part of the pms, if you want, i can make you a part.
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos