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6/10/2011 9:39:14 AM Posted: 6 years ago If an opponent forfeits in the last round should they get an automatic loss?
If an opponent forfeits in any round should they get an automatic loss? Should these be hard coded so no voting is necessary? Note i am speaking of hard forfeits where the opponent does not even login to post. |
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6/10/2011 9:51:28 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:39:14 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote: My opinion: If they forfeit in the last round, they should get an automatic loss. If they forfeit in any other round, if it's only once, I think they should be given the chance to come back, even though voters will probably vote against them for conduct. It should only be hard coded if they either forfeit in two or more rounds or forfeit in the last round. |
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6/10/2011 9:52:10 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:39:14 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote: I was gonna post this lol... Agree with brian314 Kfc. |
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6/10/2011 9:55:30 AM Posted: 6 years ago How would you code if both people forfeited? I think voters should just take that into cinsideration.
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6/10/2011 10:04:20 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:55:30 AM, OreEle wrote: Double loss. |
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6/10/2011 10:06:37 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:55:30 AM, OreEle wrote: The automatic loss, in my opinion, would only be activated by a forfeit of the last round or more than one round. If both people did one or both of these things, then the debate should result in a tie. |
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6/10/2011 10:21:59 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 10:06:37 AM, Brian314 wrote:At 6/10/2011 9:55:30 AM, OreEle wrote: Or simply be canceled. "Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender" |
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6/10/2011 10:36:00 AM Posted: 6 years ago Or simply be canceled.At 6/10/2011 9:55:30 AM, OreEle wrote: Kfc. |
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6/10/2011 10:37:38 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 10:21:59 AM, OreEle wrote:At 6/10/2011 10:06:37 AM, Brian314 wrote:At 6/10/2011 9:55:30 AM, OreEle wrote: That's a much better idea that I hadn't considered. So, in summary, my proposal for dealing with forfeits is as follows: 1. If a person forfeits in the last round or forfeit more than once during a debate, they will automatically lose the debate. 2. If either person or both people forfeit in any one round before the last round of the debate, then the debate opens to voting normally. 3. If both people forfeit either in the last round or at least twice, then the debate is cancelled. |
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6/10/2011 3:06:45 PM Posted: 6 years ago Forfeits should not be coded as automatic losses. The simple reason is that forfeiting a round has little effect on the actual content of the debate.
If it's a serial forfeiter then when the person posts the debate in the forfeited debated topic they're guaranteed the win. If it happens to be a good debate then the voters will likely just default the conduct point to the non-forfeiter and continue from there. I can think of at least two specific instances on the site where if the person who forfeited the debate was given an automatic loss, then the wrong debater would have the win. Case in point: http://www.debate.org... When large numbers of otherwise-law abiding people break specific laws en masse, it's usually a fault that lies with the law. - Unknown |
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6/10/2011 9:10:02 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:51:28 AM, Brian314 wrote:At 6/10/2011 9:39:14 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote: This. |
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6/10/2011 9:36:25 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:39:14 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote: I would say no to an auto loss because of a forfeit in any round. The person who forfeits a round has already paid a high enough price just in the fact they are now competing with one less argued round. It seems the reason that people want an auto win for a forfeit in the last round is because this stops the debate going onto the main page. That's more the sites fault. "Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12 |
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6/10/2011 9:44:12 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:36:25 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote: That's more the sites fault. You also don't get a notice either if it is a favorite, that is a problem. |
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6/10/2011 10:13:50 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:36:25 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:At 6/10/2011 9:39:14 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote: There are basically two potential solutions to the forfeited debate problem. Either: a) Forfeited debates appear on the homepage. or b) Forfeited debates implement some kind of automatic loss system. I support the automatic loss system because forfeiting the last round of a debate should constitute a loss, in addition to the fact that allowing forfeited debates on the homepage would just clutter up the Debates in the Voting Period section of the site. |
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6/10/2011 10:35:35 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 10:13:50 PM, Brian314 wrote: Since when is people forfeiting debates a problem on the site? When large numbers of otherwise-law abiding people break specific laws en masse, it's usually a fault that lies with the law. - Unknown |
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6/10/2011 10:49:49 PM Posted: 6 years ago The problem is that some of you assume that the voters will constantly vote against somebody who forfeited the last round, or even every round.
Case in point: http://www.debate.org... |
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6/10/2011 10:55:18 PM Posted: 6 years ago All this talk about forfeits has given me an idea to have a debate on forfeits.......but what if my opponent forfeits ? :|
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12 |
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6/10/2011 11:02:14 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 10:35:35 PM, Korashk wrote:At 6/10/2011 10:13:50 PM, Brian314 wrote: I think the fact that forfeited debates don't appear on the homepage and end up not being voted on is a problem... I usually try to post forfeited debates on the forfeited debates thread, but sometimes they still aren't voted on. At 6/10/2011 10:49:49 PM, mongeese wrote: Well, the case you pointed out had a forfeit that wasn't in the last round- but I see where you're coming from. Well, would it be better for the instigator to be given a choice when creating a debate as to how forfeits should be handled? Some people do that anyways when setting the rules in Round 1. At 6/10/2011 10:55:18 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote: What would the topic be? I might be interested. |
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6/10/2011 11:51:23 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 9:39:14 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote: Agree. If I were to know I lost, id resign. We're both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you. |
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6/11/2011 2:00:59 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 10:49:49 PM, mongeese wrote: Yeah, but there was literally one vote in that debate that wasnt a votebomb. That isnt as big a problem now as it once was. |
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6/11/2011 4:36:36 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 6/10/2011 10:55:18 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote: Something line, Forfeits in a debate on DDO should result in an automatic loss. Or maybe something like Forfeits should not result in an automatic loss "Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12 |
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6/11/2011 3:56:16 PM Posted: 6 years ago Forfeit should =Auto loss
Kfc. |
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6/11/2011 3:56:53 PM Posted: 6 years ago Forfeit should be an Auto loss
Kfc. |
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6/11/2011 4:11:36 PM Posted: 6 years ago Only noobs forfeit
Kfc. |