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joshandr30
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10/17/2008 7:32:31 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
The CWO will be reforming in action to counter the "unbiased" group The Cleaners. This is for all members that are tired of being judged by the supposedly "extremely intelligent" members here. This is not only a debate.org issue, it is going on in our country today. For all the people in this country that are tired of being told that our opinion and VOTE do not count. I believe I read somewhere on this site that members that that confirm there identity have as much a right to vote ANY way they would like on ANY debate as any other member here. This group has actually been here longer then they say, I have received messages that was sent to a certain "group" of members here, in this message the originator of the message sent one of his debates to at least ten other "highly intelligent" members wanting there support. I will not reveal the rest of the message but it is a voting bloc. They claim to be unbiased but that does not explain why it was sent in private to "certain" members of the group.

If you do not want a small group of members deciding your debates for you I encourage you to participate in this group.

I will except all private messages if you need any information.

Any comments here will be addressed, I do not rely on "trolling" and "spamming" to stop any comments that I do not like. In this group if you have a comment or opinion that differs from mine I will be glad to discuss it with you. This is a group for ALL people, not just the ones that do not "does not please" me. This is a group for the members by the members, not the elitists that have tried to take over this site and turn it into a breeding ground for liberal agenda.

I believe The Cleaners will be very unhealthy for this site and the members please join me in defending the right to free speech, and the real American dream. Where a man can make his own fortune with hard work and determination, and by the grace of God this country will continue to stand as she did when she was first formed. AND under the same conditions she in which she was formed.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE,

WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not about winning or losing debates, it is protecting our rights and freedoms as not only debate.org members but also as PROUD AMERICANS that will not stand for our Flag to be spit on, trampled and burned anymore.

This is NOT a voting BLOC. NO ONE in this group will tell you how to vote in ANY WAY. This group will be
1. Bring attention to debates "cleaned" by the elitists.

2.To advice and help NEW Members instead of demoralize and insult them so they leave.

Again, if you are interested please drop me a line.

I will not be any kind of official leader in any way. I hope this will take off and I can step back and let someone else that has more time take the reigns. Again any questions or comments, you can post them here or send me a message.
JBlake
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10/17/2008 7:48:08 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
As a member of this group, I do not like the way that this group slanders other groups without evidence. This is supposed to be an objective group.
LR4N6FTW4EVA
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10/17/2008 7:54:39 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
That was hilarious josh. You know you were kicked out of the CWO, right?

Also, creating a biased group to fight a supposedly biased group seems counterintuitive. Oh, and by the way, I take being called an elitist as a compliment, because that means I am 1337.
brittwaller
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10/17/2008 8:11:59 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE,

WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You understand that this is the internet, and people from all over the world are on here, right josh? btw, great job recruiting enough folks from the "hannity website" or wherever to change the tide on our Obama debate! Can you even tell me why you had more convincing arguments than I did? I won't hold my breath.
Don't I take care of them all?
scissorhands7
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10/17/2008 8:13:48 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Yeah pretty sure joshandr30 was kicked out of the CWO
I rock peas on my head, but don't call me a peahead, bees on my head but dont call me a beehead, bruce lees on my head but dont call me a lee head...
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joshandr30
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10/17/2008 11:44:08 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
LR, I know you like being a elitist. That is why you busy yourself licking the bottom of there shoes while they stab you in the back. Free country though, your choice.

LM. I was never a member of the Cleaners. I am not smart enough.

JB, you are the first member of the new CWO. You are entitled to your opinion. And you are able to vote anyway you would like while being a member of the CWO. You may prefer the Cleaners though, you seem to me to be kin to LR. But even at that, you are the first member. Who would like to be #2?

I would normally address this as Britt/Scissors, but since you took the time to log off and then log back in to make two posts I will address them separately.

Britt. Thank you so much for the compliment. Did you forget so quickly. Or did I tell your other ego? I can't remember.

Scissors. You have forgotten aint you?
joshandr30
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10/17/2008 12:03:51 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
As the public can see the Cleaners lined up very quickly to insult, berate and demoralize me.

Are you also tired of the same hatred you have encountered here at this site? Do you feel it is high time we stood up as one people and take back what this site was intended for?

If you look at the Cleaners newest public thread you will see that they are at this very moment deciding if your debate will be good or not. They are bickering among themselves to which semantic should be used and which should be left out. In truth no semantic shall be left out because this is the root of every debate. Except when they debate each other.

In my next post I gather all that has been said in the short time that I have been here.

The leader of the cleaners has stated that the average debater at this site lacks the intelligence to decide who has the best argument.

Another member of the group say (in the very forum) that usually he just tries to make his opponent look stupid and that the average debater will think that insult debater lost because he is so ignorant. This my friends is what we should not allow to continue at this site.

In a debate I found two of the elitists debated each other. The contender in the debate stated that he would not use his normal semantics that he usually uses in most of his debates.

If fact most of these elitists think very highly of themselves because of their position in the leader board. But a careful inspection of their debates it is plain and evident that at least 60-90% of their wins were against new members to this site with little to no debate experience. Top that off with the fact that in 80% of these debates they used semantics and insults to demoralize the opponent in order to win. Even with all this they still will vote bloc the debate if the person gets close to their number of votes.

I have tried diplomacy with several of these elitists and was turned away. I have exhausted all other possible avenues. It is no longer feasible to stand quietly by and watch not only this web site shift more and more to the left and socialism but it is even a bigger tragedy to watch this country follow the same path.

This web site is small potatoes compared to the state of the morals and justice in this country. but by one small brick at a time I believe we can rebuild not only this site but this country. BUT the time to be silent and politically correct is by far gone.

There will be insults and even threats, but in the end this is the only thing the elitists have. If we stand together we can repel these small blows and turn the tide in this site and our country. GOD BLESS. Sadolite. I believe a prayer is in order.

P.S.
If I can not get to your message soon please be patience and do not give up. Your passion and dedication is well appreciated and I will get to you as soon as possible.
Zerosmelt
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10/17/2008 12:21:25 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Do you feel it is high time we stood up as one people and take back what this site was intended for?

I think this should have read:

"Do you feel it is high time we stood up as one *person* and take back what this site was intended for?"

lol. but really how have we demoralized you? i hope you are kidding.
Zerosmelt
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10/17/2008 12:24:05 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Josh you realize the cleaners don't have ANY special privileges right. All that we are is a group of people who decided to vote fairly and give detailed responses about the debates we vote for. You are completely welcome to do the same. Everyone is. And i hope that you do.
scissorhands7
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10/17/2008 12:53:20 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I am not smart enough.

Nuff' said
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I hang out with an apple who loves self loathing....
Its my show I'm andy milonakis.
JBlake
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10/17/2008 1:11:07 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
The Cleaners is also made up of people of all sorts of political philosophies and ideologies.

I'm still not certain why you have created an imaginary war against an imaginary foe. No one is against you personally, just some of the more ridiculous things that you say. If you started acting toward everyone here respectfully and stop trying to provoke them you would have a better experience here.
joshandr30
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10/17/2008 3:42:30 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
ITT: Immature troll remakes a group he was kicked out of for being an immature troll.

You think you know don't you. I guess you don't play the fiddle huh?

This is not about me. It is about the CWO.
brittwaller
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10/17/2008 4:46:39 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/17/2008 1:11:07 PM, JBlake wrote:
The Cleaners is also made up of people of all sorts of political philosophies and ideologies.

I'm still not certain why you have created an imaginary war against an imaginary foe. No one is against you personally, just some of the more ridiculous things that you say. If you started acting toward everyone here respectfully and stop trying to provoke them you would have a better experience here.

Amen to that. Try to meet us in the middle josh. Show some sanity.
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Rezzealaux
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10/17/2008 4:55:20 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/17/2008 7:32:31 AM, joshandr30 wrote:
The CWO will be reforming in action to counter the "unbiased" group The Cleaners. This is for all members that are tired of being judged by the supposedly "extremely intelligent" members here. This is not only a debate.org issue, it is going on in our country today. For all the people in this country that are tired of being told that our opinion and VOTE do not count. I believe I read somewhere on this site that members that that confirm there identity have as much a right to vote ANY way they would like on ANY debate as any other member here. This group has actually been here longer then they say, I have received messages that was sent to a certain "group" of members here, in this message the originator of the message sent one of his debates to at least ten other "highly intelligent" members wanting there support. I will not reveal the rest of the message but it is a voting bloc. They claim to be unbiased but that does not explain why it was sent in private to "certain" members of the group.

If you do not want a small group of members deciding your debates for you I encourage you to participate in this group.

I will except all private messages if you need any information.

Any comments here will be addressed, I do not rely on "trolling" and "spamming" to stop any comments that I do not like. In this group if you have a comment or opinion that differs from mine I will be glad to discuss it with you. This is a group for ALL people, not just the ones that do not "does not please" me. This is a group for the members by the members, not the elitists that have tried to take over this site and turn it into a breeding ground for liberal agenda.

I believe The Cleaners will be very unhealthy for this site and the members please join me in defending the right to free speech, and the real American dream. Where a man can make his own fortune with hard work and determination, and by the grace of God this country will continue to stand as she did when she was first formed. AND under the same conditions she in which she was formed.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."

ONE NATION UNDER GOD

I stopped reading there.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
joshandr30
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10/17/2008 6:58:19 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Show some sanity? What are you talking about. If ANYONE questions the elitists here they receive the same treatment. I disagree with one of yall and I am a troll. That is how it works here, I see it I accept. I do what I can to change it. There is no middle. But again, this is not about me, it is about the people at this site that have had enough. There has to be some balance here. And I will do what I can to achieve that balance.
brittwaller
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10/17/2008 7:06:48 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/17/2008 6:58:19 PM, joshandr30 wrote:
But again, this is not about me, it is about the people at this site that have had enough. There has to be some balance here. And I will do what I can to achieve that balance.

Including asking for vote-bombs, inciting flame wars, trolling, and spamming, right?

I do not remember any point where you tried "diplomacy." Can you direct me to it please?
Don't I take care of them all?
Kleptin
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10/17/2008 7:33:25 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I'm joining this group too.

Hello fellow CWOers!
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
joshandr30
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10/17/2008 10:05:58 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Yes Kleptin, we also except the mentally unstable.

Britt/scissors: I have talked to several members here about the issue. I even offered to set up some sort of code of conduct among the members, mainly the leader board. I simply asked if it would be possible for the better debaters to leave the debates of the newer and less experienced debaters alone until they get some time in. I was basiclly blew off, twice. About like you did to Sweating Joe in your debate, you did not want what I asked. SJ brought it up and you did not address it. I have tried, now I have no choice. I hung around, I shot the breeze with several other members buying time and doing a lot of talking to members that feel the same way. Do you see that after Labrat "kicked me out" the cleaners kinda faded away. Well now it is back, but that whole rouse did buy me time to gather other people that feel the same way about the condition of this site. Kleptin's sudden resurrection of the cleaners has doubled the CWO, and now it is out of my hands. Good luck with your debates.
brittwaller
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10/18/2008 10:37:30 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
"About like you did to Sweating Joe in your debate, you did not want what I asked. SJ brought it up and you did not address it."

Wrong. I did address it. My take is baptism by fire, as I stated in that debate/discussion. There is no reason that newbies should get some preferential treatment simply because they are new - how else will they learn except by participating in debates?

"Kleptin's sudden resurrection of the cleaners has doubled the CWO, and now it is out of my hands. Good luck with your debates."

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Thanks for the "good luck," though, I will need it seeing that all of my debates were just voted down. It's out of your hands, right?

You see, the Cleaners will be posting objective analyses and explanations for their votes - something you probably couldn't do if you tried. This is in direct contrast to you, your friends and neocon recruits, who strike silently in the night with no reason or rhyme. We are encouraging providing feedback on debates by posting the way we do, whereas your crowd is simply voting out of spite, both against myself and others and for the "party line" in general. And you call this an increase in quality?

I already know trying to reason with you is like trying to breathe in a vacuum, so I won't even try. You are simply a ridiculous person - the greatest example I have seen.
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Sweatingjojo
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10/18/2008 12:39:34 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
As LR explained,

SweatingJoe is a three and a half inch plumber that lives in a cigar box with Simon the Unicorn under John McCain's bed

I have no relation to sweatingjoe.
Rezzealaux
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10/18/2008 1:39:14 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/17/2008 6:58:19 PM, joshandr30 wrote:
If ANYONE questions the elitists here they receive the same treatment.

Probably because the people who happen to go against the elitists here suck at logic.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
Kleptin
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10/18/2008 7:09:53 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Let's implement a CWO vote.

I propose we make a CWO Roster. All who vote for it?

AYE!!
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
Kleptin
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10/18/2008 7:21:49 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
heey, Commander Josh said that the CWO accept EVERYONE.

But if you really want to know:

1. I think arranged marriages are awesome.
2. I tend not to like any American music made after the 1950's
3. I believe kids who put their parents in nursing homes should be beaten.
4. I believe smacking your kids when they do something wrong is an efficient mode of teaching.
5. Children should show deference to their parents, even if they are more educated on certain matters.

That conservative enough :P?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.