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Izbo, a top debater??

000ike
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9/10/2011 7:05:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I was shocked into disbelief when I saw his username on the homepage list, and then I saw he's won only 5 debates and lost 15. How is he a top debater if he's lost 15 debates? I think our ranking system needs reform, something like that shouldn't happen.
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9/10/2011 7:09:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't know what exactly constitutes as part of the percentile...I expect that the percentile might have increased due to the number of debates that he has done, not by the amount of debates he has actually won (considering the fact that he has won only one fourth of his debates)...though I could be wrong...
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9/10/2011 7:27:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 7:05:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
I was shocked into disbelief when I saw his username on the homepage list, and then I saw he's won only 5 debates and lost 15. How is he a top debater if he's lost 15 debates? I think our ranking system needs reform, something like that shouldn't happen.

How did that happen
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9/10/2011 7:34:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 7:12:13 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
The leaderboard is flawed. Why am I ranked so low despite having more wins and a better win ratio than those immediately above me.

http://www.debate.org...

Generally, the people above you have had more debates.
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000ike
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9/10/2011 7:36:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 7:34:40 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
At 9/10/2011 7:12:13 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
The leaderboard is flawed. Why am I ranked so low despite having more wins and a better win ratio than those immediately above me.

http://www.debate.org...

Generally, the people above you have had more debates.

That's an inaccurate form of rank as it reflects quantity and not quality.
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9/10/2011 7:39:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 7:34:40 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
At 9/10/2011 7:12:13 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
The leaderboard is flawed. Why am I ranked so low despite having more wins and a better win ratio than those immediately above me.

http://www.debate.org...

Generally, the people above you have had more debates.

He should be above everbody who has won 13 debates or less with a win ratio of less than 65%. He isn't because people above him have lost more debates.
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9/10/2011 7:43:40 PM
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At 9/10/2011 7:39:32 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
At 9/10/2011 7:34:40 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
At 9/10/2011 7:12:13 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
The leaderboard is flawed. Why am I ranked so low despite having more wins and a better win ratio than those immediately above me.

http://www.debate.org...

Generally, the people above you have had more debates.

He should be above everbody who has won 13 debates or less with a win ratio of less than 65%. He isn't because people above him have lost more debates.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And there are some people who had less debates, won less, lost less, and still above.
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9/10/2011 8:32:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Yea I noticed how flawed the system is, it only accounts for how many debates you have won, not the ratio. So if you do 100 debates and win 20 you are ranked higher than someone who does 30 debates and won 15. However that still wouldn't explain how izbo10 would get so high, he hasn't done a whole lot of debates.
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9/10/2011 9:10:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Most debaters have never even won a debate. Anyone who participates in a few debates will wind up somewhere in the 80's at the very least.

Izbo is only in the 89th percentile. For someone who has participated in as many debates as he has, that is actually pretty bad.
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9/10/2011 10:21:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
There is no current understanding of the logic behind the choice of "Top Debaters" on the front page, and it has no connection to the leaderboard.
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9/10/2011 11:19:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm pretty sure we determined that the "top debaters" are those in at least the 80th percentile who have logged in most recently.
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9/10/2011 11:24:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It's determined by the number of wins. Your position seems really oddball, but sometimes it seems that the percentiles take a while to update.
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9/10/2011 11:25:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:19:26 PM, mongeese wrote:
I'm pretty sure we determined that the "top debaters" are those in at least the 80th percentile who have logged in most recently.

lol, so basically it's anyone who logs in
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9/10/2011 11:25:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:19:26 PM, mongeese wrote:
I'm pretty sure we determined that the "top debaters" are those in at least the 80th percentile who have logged in most recently.

You may be right...I just logged in and saw my name in the "top debates" section on the home page along with Bluesteel and other members.
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000ike
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9/10/2011 11:26:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Wheres Ore_Ele? He suggested the ELO system which is way more accurate, but they have never implemented it.
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9/11/2011 12:24:52 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:26:29 PM, 000ike wrote:
Wheres Ore_Ele? He suggested the ELO system which is way more accurate, but they have never implemented it.

I think the wording was that they were "toying around" with the idea. Which basically means it probably won't happen. I'm still waiting for my vote counter that they said would happen.
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9/11/2011 11:42:13 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:19:26 PM, mongeese wrote:
I'm pretty sure we determined that the "top debaters" are those in at least the 80th percentile who have logged in most recently.

I think you're right.
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