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DATCMOTO
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9/14/2011 5:31:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I am asking for support to put pressure on the powers that be (DDO) to clamp down on:

*Multiple accounts.

*The use of profanity.

*Abusive or bullying behaviour.

DDO is getting worse and worse and, as per usual, it's only a few individuals who make this place a sewer for the rest us.

This site was a high minded venture with noble aims.

Let's reclaim that spirit! we need to be a little tougher and a little less worried about being unpopular.

My own thought is that by stopping the multiple accounts you will eradicate the other problems as people only behave like a troll when they have no fear of the repercussions.

Who's with me and who's against me?
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Cerebral_Narcissist
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9/14/2011 7:17:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Personally I'd like to see bullying increase to weed out the weak.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
RoyLatham
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9/14/2011 8:10:59 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I agree that the site would benefit from clearing out trolls, personal attacks, and obscenities. That's a labor-intensive task, however, so I don't think it is realistic to expect the site owners to be able to keep up with it. The sites that keep up the best have user-moderators, so I think that is the only feasible route.

The site owners can swoop through form time to time to clean out the worst offenders, that's about all. An occasional well-publicized court action might have a sobering effect. There is nothing like a subpoena to destroy a lad's aura of invincibility.

I don't think trolling has gotten a lot worse recently. It's just a never-ending problem.
CosmicAlfonzo
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9/14/2011 10:26:03 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Oh, another one of these topics..
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9/14/2011 10:27:14 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 10:26:03 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Oh, another one of these topics..

Yep another moral crusade!
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
CosmicAlfonzo
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9/14/2011 10:27:22 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
How about this, lets lift the ban on askbob, and amend the TOS so that Juggle isn't reliable if he posts incriminating pictures of you sleeping with your grandmother.
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Ore_Ele
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9/14/2011 11:15:38 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 10:27:22 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
How about this, lets lift the ban on askbob, and amend the TOS so that Juggle isn't reliable if he posts incriminating pictures of you sleeping with your grandmother.

you mean "liable" not "reliable" and if we allow Askbob to do that, then we need to allow everyone to do that. If you want that kind of environment, 4chan is only a mouse click away.
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CosmicAlfonzo
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9/14/2011 11:32:25 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 11:15:38 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/14/2011 10:27:22 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
How about this, lets lift the ban on askbob, and amend the TOS so that Juggle isn't reliable if he posts incriminating pictures of you sleeping with your grandmother.

you mean "liable" not "reliable" and if we allow Askbob to do that, then we need to allow everyone to do that. If you want that kind of environment, 4chan is only a mouse click away.

Giving everyone the freedom to do it doesn't mean everyone will do it.

You are still going to have people pissed off about it.

These topics are never going to end though, not so long as we have a group of whiny poosies that inhabit the site.
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9/14/2011 12:00:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 7:17:23 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Personally I'd like to see bullying increase to weed out the weak.

Do you vote Tory by any chance?
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9/14/2011 12:26:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 5:31:34 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
My own thought is that by stopping the multiple accounts you will eradicate the other problems as people only behave like a troll when they have no fear of the repercussions.

"An internet "troll" has been jailed for mocking dead teenagers on various websites. Public figures, including Stephen Fry and Miranda Hart, have also been victims of trolling. So what is it and why do people do it?"

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Cerebral_Narcissist
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9/14/2011 12:28:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 12:00:36 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 9/14/2011 7:17:23 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Personally I'd like to see bullying increase to weed out the weak.

Do you vote Tory by any chance?

Probably will do in future, of the mainstream parties they have the greatest chance of salvaging the country!
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
CosmicAlfonzo
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9/14/2011 4:47:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
There are no bullies, only poosies.
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000ike
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9/14/2011 4:53:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 4:47:18 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
There are no bullies, only poosies.

There are no criminals, only cry babies.
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Ore_Ele
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9/14/2011 4:55:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 4:53:54 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/14/2011 4:47:18 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
There are no bullies, only poosies.

There are no criminals, only cry babies.

There are no rapists, only women that don't realize that they want it.
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Man-is-good
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9/14/2011 4:57:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 4:55:18 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/14/2011 4:53:54 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/14/2011 4:47:18 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
There are no bullies, only poosies.

There are no criminals, only cry babies.

There are no rapists, only women that don't realize that they want it.

There is no speech, only those who use it (I know that that this is a contradiction...)
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

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CosmicAlfonzo
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9/14/2011 5:02:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
You have to admit, some good inspirational posters could come out of this.
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CosmicAlfonzo
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9/14/2011 8:30:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
You can always bring a gun to school.
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DATCMOTO
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9/16/2011 10:04:38 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/14/2011 8:10:59 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
I agree that the site would benefit from clearing out trolls, personal attacks, and obscenities. That's a labor-intensive task, however, so I don't think it is realistic to expect the site owners to be able to keep up with it. The sites that keep up the best have user-moderators, so I think that is the only feasible route.

The site owners can swoop through form time to time to clean out the worst offenders, that's about all. An occasional well-publicized court action might have a sobering effect. There is nothing like a subpoena to destroy a lad's aura of invincibility.

I don't think trolling has gotten a lot worse recently. It's just a never-ending problem.

A few high profile banishings would get everyone's attention.. we only need to make an example of a few to control the many.

As I see it, the powers that be are doing exactly ZERO to curtail this behaviour.
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DATCMOTO
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9/16/2011 10:11:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Substituting a V for a U in the F word gets around the profanity restrictions, sure, but it doesn't adhere to the spirit of the restriction..

Just like air-brushing the models in the Tabloid press to get around the obscenity laws.. what about the spirit? the intent behind the law?

When a government isn't doing it's job the people have the right to rise up; WE can change DDO for the better and make it an honourable enterprise once more.
The Cross.. the Cross.
Cerebral_Narcissist
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9/16/2011 10:11:59 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/16/2011 10:04:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 9/14/2011 8:10:59 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
I agree that the site would benefit from clearing out trolls, personal attacks, and obscenities. That's a labor-intensive task, however, so I don't think it is realistic to expect the site owners to be able to keep up with it. The sites that keep up the best have user-moderators, so I think that is the only feasible route.

The site owners can swoop through form time to time to clean out the worst offenders, that's about all. An occasional well-publicized court action might have a sobering effect. There is nothing like a subpoena to destroy a lad's aura of invincibility.

I don't think trolling has gotten a lot worse recently. It's just a never-ending problem.

A few high profile banishings would get everyone's attention.. we only need to make an example of a few to control the many.

As I see it, the powers that be are doing exactly ZERO to curtail this behaviour.

You could just close your account?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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9/16/2011 10:18:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/16/2011 10:11:34 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
Substituting a V for a U in the F word gets around the profanity restrictions, sure, but it doesn't adhere to the spirit of the restriction..

Just like air-brushing the models in the Tabloid press to get around the obscenity laws.. what about the spirit? the intent behind the law?

When a government isn't doing it's job the people have the right to rise up; WE can change DDO for the better and make it an honourable enterprise once more.

No it's a violation of the rules, thats right. Is that all you are upset about? The swearing?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
CosmicAlfonzo
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9/16/2011 12:06:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
So we now seriously have someone who wants to actually enforce the censor by banning people.

Fascinating how people will give up their own liberty for a little security.
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DATCMOTO
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9/17/2011 5:08:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/16/2011 12:06:25 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
So we now seriously have someone who wants to actually enforce the censor by banning people.

Fascinating how people will give up their own liberty for a little security.

It is not liberty to allow abuse, profanity and bullying; it is the exact opposite!

Having rules sets us free! we do have rules but they are not enforced.
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9/17/2011 2:16:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/16/2011 12:06:25 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
So we now seriously have someone who wants to actually enforce the censor by banning people.

Fascinating how people will give up their own liberty for a little security.

How does stopping people from typing the f-bomb on forums where there are alot of minors, amount to giving up liberty?? Is that what you see as a liberty?? If that's the case then why aren't you complaining about not being allowed to post porn??

Those who want liberty should be mature enough to know how to use it, if not they should have it taken away until they appreciate it enough to use it responsibly.
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9/17/2011 2:17:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Oh god--one of these....
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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9/20/2011 4:44:52 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/17/2011 2:16:01 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 9/16/2011 12:06:25 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
So we now seriously have someone who wants to actually enforce the censor by banning people.

Fascinating how people will give up their own liberty for a little security.

How does stopping people from typing the f-bomb on forums where there are alot of minors, amount to giving up liberty?? Is that what you see as a liberty?? If that's the case then why aren't you complaining about not being allowed to post porn??

Those who want liberty should be mature enough to know how to use it, if not they should have it taken away until they appreciate it enough to use it responsibly.

RIGHT..

Should there be a line or no line?

If no line then absolutely anything goes, including images of rape and child abuse etc, right?

If a line, then it is totally legitimate to have a discussion about where that line should be.

It is absolutely essential that we protect the line that already exists: this is NOT being done.

In short, the owners and administrators of this site are NEGLIGENT.

Who would be in favour of 'private members DDO' in which one pays for the privilege of a troll free V.I.P area?

I certainly would, and it could be lucrative to the owners too.
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