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Kleptin
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9/30/2008 5:37:08 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Whether you were vote bombed, underrepresented, or just feel like you deserve a second chance, post the links here, why you believe your argument was better, and we'll give it a second look.

There will be no injustice on debate.org! ;)
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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9/30/2008 5:39:12 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Woah, woah, woah no!!! Just like the CWO, this will get abused. The average debate.org voter can not be trusted with looking at debates with a bias. Friends will vote for friends, and enemies will be vote against. DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD! Please, for the sake of debate.org.
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Kleptin
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9/30/2008 5:45:20 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
That's total bull.

You do realize that anyone can just as easily create a debate with the same title right?

Besides, putting a debate out for EVERYONE to re-vote is totally different from advocating vote bombing.

I *know* people are pissed about their debates and this topic is going to come up sooner or later :P Now Poejoe, if you still disagree with me, issue me a debate challenge XD!
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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9/30/2008 6:00:14 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
That doesn't mean we should centralize/standardize our efforts. I've been vote bombed twice; both times, I messaged colleagues. I'm not against the idea. I'm against putting a thread to centralize and standardize this idea.

Also, I will issue no such debate challenge. You are clearly a better debater, and I don't want my eventual loss to be a justification for anything.
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Kleptin
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9/30/2008 6:49:26 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 6:00:14 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
That doesn't mean we should centralize/standardize our efforts. I've been vote bombed twice; both times, I messaged colleagues. I'm not against the idea. I'm against putting a thread to centralize and standardize this idea.

Also, I will issue no such debate challenge. You are clearly a better debater, and I don't want my eventual loss to be a justification for anything.

A centralized place would be much less biased than messaging colleagues. When you message people you know, or people on your friends list, that's a bias. Posting it here opens it up to the entire debate.org population where the votes will be much more unbiased.

You probably wouldn't message people who disagreed with you and would vote against you, that's biased. However, doing it here is completely fair.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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9/30/2008 7:17:49 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
http://www.Debate.org...
Vote CON for cake and for great justice.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

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9/30/2008 8:12:22 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 8:01:18 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Actually, I don't think there has been a debate which I've lost (well, maybe two), but I have absolutely no idea how I could be considered the loser in any of the above.
Arrogance to rival my own.
Danielle
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9/30/2008 8:59:56 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 8:12:22 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:01:18 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Actually, I don't think there has been a debate which I've lost (well, maybe two), but I have absolutely no idea how I could be considered the loser in any of the above.
Arrogance to rival my own.

It's only arrogant if you talk about it.
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Logical-Master
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9/30/2008 9:01:40 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 8:12:22 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:01:18 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Actually, I don't think there has been a debate which I've lost (well, maybe two), but I have absolutely no idea how I could be considered the loser in any of the above.
Arrogance to rival my own.

LOL! The sad part is that I'm holding more than half of my arrogance back out of politeness.
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9/30/2008 9:05:48 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 9:01:40 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:12:22 AM, beem0r wrote:
Arrogance to rival my own.
LOL! The sad part is that I'm holding more than half of my arrogance back out of politeness.
Politeness is for those too weak to stand up and say how they feel regardless of how agreeable it will sound. I am better than everyone else at everything. Beat that.
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9/30/2008 9:10:42 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 9:05:48 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 9/30/2008 9:01:40 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:12:22 AM, beem0r wrote:
Arrogance to rival my own.
LOL! The sad part is that I'm holding more than half of my arrogance back out of politeness.
Politeness is for those too weak to stand up and say how they feel regardless of how agreeable it will sound. I am better than everyone else at everything. Beat that.

Politeness is a very effective tool used for manipulation and deception. One who masters it is essentially invincible.
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9/30/2008 9:11:41 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 9:10:42 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Politeness is a very effective tool used for manipulation and deception. One who masters it is essentially invincible.

One who needs master it is not good enough to do without it.
Danielle
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9/30/2008 9:13:23 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 8:59:56 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:12:22 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:01:18 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Actually, I don't think there has been a debate which I've lost (well, maybe two), but I have absolutely no idea how I could be considered the loser in any of the above.
Arrogance to rival my own.

It's only arrogant if you talk about it.

On that note, I completely disagree that those to be considered the "best debaters on this site" are actually the best debaters on this site. With many debates, people just recognize a familiar name and vote based on that fact alone. I even think that some people brainwash themselves to assume that so-and-so is making the better arguments simply because they have better grammar, or spend an exorbitant amount of time on debate.org, and are friendly with all the right people. WooHoo.

Frankly it's really silly and so are threads like these. I'm pretty confident that I've won 98% of the debates I've participated in, yet my win ratio is 33% -- Should I post all 60 "vote bombed" ones on here or what? Maybe if I have the time I will, but in the end, it's meaningless. Some people will down-vote those debates simply BECAUSE I posted them here. Others will down-vote me in general because I'm a girl. Or because they think I'm a liberal. Or because they think I'm gay (people are very obsessed with my username, you know). Or because I don't have an anime avatar. Etc etc.

I think we can all agree that the cell phone confirmation has somewhat helped, but as we are all aware, it is NOT a perfect solution. Thus far there IS no perfect solution and there probably won't be. So, it is my humble opinion that people should just get used to the idea of vote bombing and stop making such a big deal about debates you 'should' have won. People are always going to find reasons and ways to down-vote you, so whining about it isn't going to do anyone any good. If anything it only makes you look really sad that you care so much about a meaningless win ratio.

Everyone knows that there aren't really thousands of people on debate.org -- there are about 2 dozen really active members, and we all know who each other is and are aware of each other's competency in regards to debate. That should be enough.
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Logical-Master
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9/30/2008 9:17:32 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 9:11:41 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 9/30/2008 9:10:42 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Politeness is a very effective tool used for manipulation and deception. One who masters it is essentially invincible.

One who needs master it is not good enough to do without it.

Perhaps, but who does without it is weaker than one could be with it.
Danielle
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9/30/2008 9:18:48 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 8:59:56 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:12:22 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 9/30/2008 8:01:18 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Actually, I don't think there has been a debate which I've lost (well, maybe two), but I have absolutely no idea how I could be considered the loser in any of the above.
Arrogance to rival my own.

It's only arrogant if you talk about it.

Scatch that -- 31% win ratio lol
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beem0r
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9/30/2008 9:32:48 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 9:18:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Scatch that -- 31% win ratio lol
Yeah, your original vote bombing was one of the biggest and most sudden ones I remember. Went from 90-something percent to 20-something, if I remember correctly.

Also, notoriety isn't necessarily good. Just as many people, more in many cases, vote against you for notoriety.
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9/30/2008 9:39:45 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Eh, I really don't think there are any "best debaters." People are always claiming that "Debater X is the best debater on this site", but I've always found that to be a load of crap and thought of us as all being potentially equal more or less (minus water123 ;) )

Yes, posting your debates while expecting people to vote on them is pretty meaningless in the end as honestly, what good is a higher win ratio really going to do you in real life? If I could get into Harvard or yale with a high win ratio, I'd be royally pissed about losing any debate and would spam my debates to death in threads like no tomorrow.

But giving it more thought, when I think of these debates as no different than playing a match of Halo 3 or playing a game of checkers or yahtzee, I suppose wanting to win is of the same merit in wanting to win in those games. You get a little bit of a good feeling about as who DOESN'T (in general; don't go semantics on me) like the feeling of success? No matter how meager it is, it is still a good feeling.

Should people control this feeling and not let it impact their lives severely? Of course. Should people avoid constantly whining about their win ratio as well as how people have been vote bombing or down voting their debates? Most certainly. That said, people should still be able to vent out their frustration (and fortunately, a forum is the best place to do it) when they feel they have been cheated rather than pretend they are apathetic or pretend that results of their debates were COMPLETELY meaningless to them.
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9/30/2008 1:58:20 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 9:39:45 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
Eh, I really don't think there are any "best debaters." People are always claiming that "Debater X is the best debater on this site", but I've always found that to be a load of crap and thought of us as all being potentially equal more or less (minus water123 ;) )


Yes, posting your debates while expecting people to vote on them is pretty meaningless in the end as honestly, what good is a higher win ratio really going to do you in real life? If I could get into Harvard or yale with a high win ratio, I'd be royally pissed about losing any debate and would spam my debates to death in threads like no tomorrow.

But giving it more thought, when I think of these debates as no different than playing a match of Halo 3 or playing a game of checkers or yahtzee, I suppose wanting to win is of the same merit in wanting to win in those games. You get a little bit of a good feeling about as who DOESN'T (in general; don't go semantics on me) like the feeling of success? No matter how meager it is, it is still a good feeling.

Should people control this feeling and not let it impact their lives severely? Of course. Should people avoid constantly whining about their win ratio as well as how people have been vote bombing or down voting their debates? Most certainly. That said, people should still be able to vent out their frustration (and fortunately, a forum is the best place to do it) when they feel they have been cheated rather than pretend they are apathetic or pretend that results of their debates were COMPLETELY meaningless to them.

This is true. I agree with beem0r that notoriority can work against you also. Perhaps I'll elaborate later, but I'm doing a paper now... unfortunately debate.org didn't get me into Harvard lol but I'm working on it :P
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10/2/2008 5:40:51 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Speaking of I shouldn't have lost stuff, I heard there was a message sent to Kleptin, Anu_Bajpai, beem0r, bfitz1307, Biowza, brittwaller, DucoNihilum, JaPak, JBlake, LakevilleNorthJT, Logical-Master, Rezzealaux, s0m31john, Tatarize, and Yraelz about this debate: http://www.debate.org...

Yeah. Why? The account I got was slightly ambiguous about what the message said. I'm curious.
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10/2/2008 6:44:50 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
??

I never got a message about that debate. And that's *my* debate o.O
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
Kleptin
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10/2/2008 7:16:00 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 9/30/2008 8:01:18 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...


http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...


Actually, I don't think there has been a debate which I've lost (well, maybe two), but I have absolutely no idea how I could be considered the loser in any of the above.

I submitted reviews for the first 3 and voted accordingly.

However, I found that I actually had to switch votes from the third debate over to your opponent LM :P sorry XD
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/3/2008 2:44:13 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/2/2008 6:44:50 PM, Kleptin wrote:
??

I never got a message about that debate. And that's *my* debate o.O

That's weird. I don't know how that's possible.
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10/3/2008 3:40:23 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
http://www.debate.org...

I'm not losing unfairly or anything but it'd be nice to see some more votes on the round.

Points:
I've disproven my opponent's points while none of mine have been disproven.
My opponent forfeited the last two rounds.

So I hope this is a quite easy choice and urge everyone to vote for PRO.
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Kleptin
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10/3/2008 5:44:14 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/3/2008 2:44:13 AM, LR4N6FTW4EVA wrote:
At 10/2/2008 6:44:50 PM, Kleptin wrote:
??

I never got a message about that debate. And that's *my* debate o.O

That's weird. I don't know how that's possible.

L, it was this one

Monday, September 22, 2008 @ 9:11:42 PM
"WOW! Another exciting Kleptin debate where the topic and the position are chosen by his opponent :O!

Mass Message to all of Kleptin's Debate fwends :3 Come read and comment!

http://www.debate.org...;

I was advertising my Kleptin-Brand Debates :P
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/3/2008 6:19:31 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Just one more piece of evidence that there is a lib group that acticvly vote bombs not only debates that are against there views and beliefs but ALL debates in general, just to stroke there ego's. Who is with me?
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10/3/2008 6:39:49 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/3/2008 6:19:31 AM, joshandr30 wrote:
Just one more piece of evidence that there is a lib group that acticvly vote bombs not only debates that are against there views and beliefs but ALL debates in general, just to stroke there ego's. Who is with me?

seriously, just drop it josh
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