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Morality? Really? Debate Tournament.

Stephen_Hawkins
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12/5/2011 4:30:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Basically, I want to set up a tournament for debates. Very simply, it is one where we have the recurring theme of morality. The topics will be concise and specific, and will be easy enough for one to argue both sides (using my objective opinion *attempt at a joke*).

If you want to have a go, simply state so. I will create a few possible topics, ending in a final list of possibilities, for people to debate.

Also, each possible topic will be split into two, of which either can be chosen. Simply, you get given a number, and you choose a letter. In ties, I will decide.

1a - Shakespeare presents leaders in his works as immoral.
1b - Leaders must sometimes forgo the punishment of wrongdoers in order to gain lasting peace.

2a - Abortion is a morally reprehensible act
2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, is morally wrong to use in Vietnam.

3a - Euthanasia is morally acceptable.
3b - "When suicide is out of fashion we conclude that none but madmen destroy themselves"(Hume, On Suicide) This quotation is incorrect.

4a - A minarchist government is morally
4b - "Virtue is under certain circumstances merely an honorable form of stupidity". (Nietzsche, The Will to Power). This quotation is true.

Simple enough, yes?
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Lordknukle
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12/5/2011 7:07:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Uh.. i hate morality but i would really want to participate in it. Unfortunately I have two other debates. :(
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12/5/2011 7:40:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I would be interested in participating but I absolutely cannot commit to anything until my semester ends on Dec. 15th.

Additionally, some of the wording in your Resolutions is problematic. I would suggest revising or picking new ones to make the topics fair.
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12/5/2011 8:37:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/5/2011 7:07:02 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Uh.. i hate morality but i would really want to participate in it. Unfortunately I have two other debates. :(

Yeah. What Lord said^^
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Lordknukle
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12/6/2011 2:16:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I might actually be interested as long as we start at the middle of next week
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Stephen_Hawkins
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12/6/2011 5:10:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/5/2011 4:30:47 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Basically, I want to set up a tournament for debates. Very simply, it is one where we have the recurring theme of morality. The topics will be concise and specific, and will be easy enough for one to argue both sides (using my objective opinion *attempt at a joke*).

If you want to have a go, simply state so. I will create a few possible topics, ending in a final list of possibilities, for people to debate.

Also, each possible topic will be split into two, of which either can be chosen. Simply, you get given a number, and you choose a letter. In ties, I will decide.

1a - Shakespeare presents royal leaders in his works as immoral.
1b - Leaders must sometimes forgo the punishment of wrongdoers in order to gain lasting peace.

2a - Abortion is a morally reprehensible act
2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, was morally wrong to use in the majority of cases of implementation in Vietnam.

3a - Euthanasia is morally acceptable.
3b - "When suicide is out of fashion we conclude that none but madmen destroy themselves"(Hume, On Suicide)

4a - A minarchist government is morally justified.
4b - "Virtue is under certain circumstances merely an honorable form of stupidity". (Nietzsche, The Will to Power).

Firstly, which ones of these are problematic now I've revised them?

Secondly, I'll add people who already said "yes" to the list tomorrow, but if you want to join, add your name to this list:

1. Stephen_Hawkins
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Lordknukle
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12/6/2011 5:58:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
1. Stephen_Hawkins
2. Lordknukle- The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, was morally wrong to use in the majority of cases of implementation in Vietnam. (CON)
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However, I do wish that the resolution was reworded to " The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, was morally wrong to use in Vietnam".
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Lordknukle
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12/6/2011 6:05:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Scratch that. Im not gonna participate.
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12/7/2011 11:45:21 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm unclear on these two:

3b - "When suicide is out of fashion we conclude that none but madmen destroy themselves"(Hume, On Suicide)

4a - A minarchist government is morally justified.

I don't see anything to debate about 3b. It seems to say that people opposed to suicide are opposed to suicide. Where's the Con side of that?

Would I be supporting 4a if I claimed that some government is justified, so even minarchist goverment is justified? Or would Pro be expected to argue that minarchist government is better, or at least as good as, bigger government?
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12/7/2011 1:45:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 11:45:21 AM, wiploc wrote:
I'm unclear on these two:

3b - "If suicide be supposed a crime, 'tis only cowardice can impel us to it. If it be no crime, both prudence and courage should engage us to rid ourselves at once of existence, when it becomes a burden."(Hume, On Suicide) -- In recognition of this quote, does the illegality of an action make the action immoral?

4a - A minarchist government is morally superior to that of competing governments (which do not presuppose a perfect society, such as utopian societies).

I don't see anything to debate about 3b. It seems to say that people opposed to suicide are opposed to suicide. Where's the Con side of that?

Would I be supporting 4a if I claimed that some government is justified, so even minarchist goverment is justified? Or would Pro be expected to argue that minarchist government is better, or at least as good as, bigger government?

Quote 3b is about saying when suicide is seen as wrong, no-one will kill themselves. Or, when things are seen as wrong, they are wrong in the community. I see the problem with this, and I am now using a slightly different quote to make the meaning clearer. With 4a, I am changing it to make it a lot clearer, and that should address it more clearly.
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Stephen_Hawkins
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12/7/2011 1:47:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Basically, I want to set up a tournament for debates. Very simply, it is one where we have the recurring theme of morality. The topics will be concise and specific, and will be easy enough for one to argue both sides (using my objective opinion *attempt at a joke*).

If you want to have a go, simply state so. I will create a few possible topics, ending in a final list of possibilities, for people to debate.

Also, each possible topic will be split into two, of which either can be chosen. Simply, you get given a number, and you choose a letter. In ties, I will decide.

1a - Shakespeare presents leaders in his works as immoral.
1b - Leaders must sometimes forgo the punishment of wrongdoers in order to gain lasting peace.

2a - Abortion is a morally reprehensible act
2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, is morally wrong to use in Vietnam.

3a - Euthanasia is morally acceptable.
3b - "If suicide be supposed a crime, 'tis only cowardice can impel us to it. If it be no crime, both prudence and courage should engage us to rid ourselves at once of existence, when it becomes a burden."(Hume, On Suicide) -- In recognition of this quote, does the illegality of an action make the action immoral?

4a - A minarchist government is morally superior to that of competing governments (which do not presuppose a perfect society, such as utopian societies).
4b - "Virtue is under certain circumstances [are] merely an honorable form of stupidity". (Nietzsche, The Will to Power). This quotation is true.
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Lordknukle
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12/7/2011 1:58:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Actually, I'll do the napalm debate as soon as my Gadaffi debate is over. I'll give u a PM. SHouldn't be too long. I'll be Pro.
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12/8/2011 7:07:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I love morality, I'm in.

P.S. I'm sure we are randomly assigned numbers, but if we get to pick, I'd love to debate 3b assuming another debater is interested.
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12/8/2011 7:08:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1. Stephen_Hawkins
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12/8/2011 8:29:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1a - Shakespeare presents leaders in his works as immoral.

Don't know anything about Shakespeare except that he's hard to read, but I'm sure I can find two leaders in his works who are presented in a manner such that we are intended to think they are immoral. Not the prince in Romeo (though he may be amoral) or Denzel Washington in Ado, but I'm sure I could find enough to justify the plural, "leaders."

In fact, even Iago had followers, which makes him a leader.

I can argue Pro on this one.

1b - Leaders must sometimes forgo the punishment of wrongdoers in order to gain lasting peace.

I can go Pro on this one, which is pretty much the same as 4b. Only Rorschach http://www.imdb.com... would disagree.

2a - Abortion is a morally reprehensible act

I'm Con.

2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, is morally wrong to use in Vietnam.

Con.

3a - Euthanasia is morally acceptable.

Pro. I'm suicidal myself, once I get old enough. Anybody with a right to live has a right to die.

3b - "If suicide be supposed a crime, 'tis only cowardice can impel us to it. If it be no crime, both prudence and courage should engage us to rid ourselves at once of existence, when it becomes a burden."(Hume, On Suicide) -- In recognition of this quote, does the illegality of an action make the action immoral?

No idea what this is about.

4a - A minarchist government is morally superior to that of competing governments (which do not presuppose a perfect society, such as utopian societies).

Con.

4b - "Virtue is under certain circumstances [are] merely an honorable form of stupidity". (Nietzsche, The Will to Power). This quotation is true.

Not being Rorschach, I'm Pro.
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12/8/2011 8:36:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/8/2011 8:29:48 PM, wiploc wrote:
2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, is morally wrong to use in Vietnam.

Con.

Oops, sorry, I'm Pro.
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12/8/2011 9:38:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/8/2011 8:36:25 PM, wiploc wrote:
At 12/8/2011 8:29:48 PM, wiploc wrote:
2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, is morally wrong to use in Vietnam.

Con.

Oops, sorry, I'm Pro.

We could do that one.
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12/8/2011 10:00:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2011 7:40:57 PM, Raisor wrote:
I would be interested in participating but I absolutely cannot commit to anything until my semester ends on Dec. 15th.

This. Possibly even a little after... but not long after...
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wiploc
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12/9/2011 11:06:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/8/2011 9:38:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/8/2011 8:36:25 PM, wiploc wrote:
At 12/8/2011 8:29:48 PM, wiploc wrote:
2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, is morally wrong to use in Vietnam.

Con.

Oops, sorry, I'm Pro.

We could do that one.

Okay.

I assume we want past tense: "It was immoral of the United States to use napalm (including napalm B, super napalm) in Vietnam."
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12/10/2011 12:47:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/9/2011 11:06:22 PM, wiploc wrote:
At 12/8/2011 9:38:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/8/2011 8:36:25 PM, wiploc wrote:
At 12/8/2011 8:29:48 PM, wiploc wrote:
2b - The use of Napalm, including Napalm B, Super-Napalm, is morally wrong to use in Vietnam.

Con.

Oops, sorry, I'm Pro.

We could do that one.

Okay.

I assume we want past tense: "It was immoral of the United States to use napalm (including napalm B, super napalm) in Vietnam."

-_- yes, it was. That's what I meant.

Anyone actually wanting to do this?
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12/10/2011 1:48:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 1:43:16 PM, wiploc wrote:
I'm in if Lordknukle is.

2 or 3 rounds, 72 hour turns, 1 or 2 week voting period?

3 rounds. 72h. 1 week. 8k chars.
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12/11/2011 11:54:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 1:48:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 1:43:16 PM, wiploc wrote:
I'm in if Lordknukle is.

2 or 3 rounds, 72 hour turns, 1 or 2 week voting period?

3 rounds. 72h. 1 week. 8k chars.

Okay, I'm signing up:

1. Stephen_Hawkins
2. Wiploc
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7. Mestari
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Lordknukle
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12/12/2011 11:41:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/11/2011 11:54:16 PM, wiploc wrote:
At 12/10/2011 1:48:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 1:43:16 PM, wiploc wrote:
I'm in if Lordknukle is.

2 or 3 rounds, 72 hour turns, 1 or 2 week voting period?

3 rounds. 72h. 1 week. 8k chars.

Okay, I'm signing up:

1. Stephen_Hawkins
2. Wiploc
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4.
5.
6.
7. Mestari
8.

3. LK
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