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1/14/2012 4:32:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
time to show their mistakes:

OMG Justin Beiber VB LK when he didn't VB http://www.debate.org....

Alkid: http://www.debate.org...

Stephan hawking failed to clarify (which is your argument vs me): http://www.debate.org...

jm not guilty his RFD:

"Forfeit and CON failed to address PRO's premises accurately and adequately, leaving PRO's contentions partially unrefuted."

1. Pro ff'd too
2. Although con had bad arguments pro DID NOT HAVE EVEN ONE
3. therefore con should have won even with those terrible arguments.

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Get over it every one VB's, not just us. Everyone should be allowed to vote. So this refutes your forum.
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1/14/2012 4:33:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:32:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
time to show their mistakes:

OMG Justin Beiber VB LK when he didn't VB http://www.debate.org....

Alkid: http://www.debate.org...

Stephan hawking failed to clarify (which is your argument vs me): http://www.debate.org...

to clarify this is the thing you claim me of doing ^, hence the ().

jm not guilty his RFD:

"Forfeit and CON failed to address PRO's premises accurately and adequately, leaving PRO's contentions partially unrefuted."

1. Pro ff'd too
2. Although con had bad arguments pro DID NOT HAVE EVEN ONE
3. therefore con should have won even with those terrible arguments.

http://www.debate.org...

Get over it every one VB's, not just us. Everyone should be allowed to vote. So this refutes your forum.
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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1/14/2012 4:35:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Seriously? *facepalm*
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1/14/2012 4:37:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:35:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Seriously? *facepalm*

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1/14/2012 4:46:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Adams, you say hawking gives an inadequate rfd, but I think you are bad at voting from my observations, and I'm not afraid to say it. You often give RFD's that simply come down to saying he won, not even addressing the points. You care too much about which side wins and I've heard multiple accusations about you changing your vote after the other side started winning.

In fact I'd prefer if you didn't vote on my debates. And seeing as we agree on most issues this has nothing to do with you voting against me.
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1/14/2012 4:49:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:46:51 PM, phantom wrote:
Adams, you say hawking gives an inadequate rfd, but I think you are bad at voting from my observations, and I'm not afraid to say it. You often give RFD's that simply come down to saying he won, not even addressing the points. You care too much about which side wins and I've heard multiple accusations about you changing your vote after the other side started winning.

In fact I'd prefer if you didn't vote on my debates. And seeing as we agree on most issues this has nothing to do with you voting against me.
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1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.
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1/14/2012 4:52:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:46:51 PM, phantom wrote:
Adams, you say hawking gives an inadequate rfd, but I think you are bad at voting from my observations, and I'm not afraid to say it. You often give RFD's that simply come down to saying he won, not even addressing the points. You care too much about which side wins and I've heard multiple accusations about you changing your vote after the other side started winning.

In fact I'd prefer if you didn't vote on my debates. And seeing as we agree on most issues this has nothing to do with you voting against me.

I have changed grammar or conduct in some cases after a re-read. I re-read debates to see in my vote is correct. I usually give reasons to change those points.

One exception with thett's viper king debate where people gave BS votes and he really didn't win and used wordplay against a noob. So it was a mix of feeling sorry for viper, pissed at thett's word play against a noob, etc. SO yes I did it on that debate.

The other times are because I see my vote was incorrect, also I change my vote to favor the liberal view at times.

Also my RFD's are good now. I do not see them as vote bombs.
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1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.
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1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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1/14/2012 5:01:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

I don't care what view you vote for, I care that the votes being produced reflect one's debating ability, not ideological agreement. That concept seems to be lost and most of you new Conservatives.
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1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....
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1/14/2012 5:04:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:01:41 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

I don't care what view you vote for, I care that the votes being produced reflect one's debating ability, not ideological agreement. That concept seems to be lost and most of you new Conservatives.

If I vote for a liberal then I am not voting for agreement...
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1/14/2012 5:05:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....

libertarianism (left): http://en.wikipedia.org...

It exists.

Also supporting obama means you are most likely liberal.
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1/14/2012 5:12:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:05:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....

libertarianism (left): http://en.wikipedia.org...

It exists.

Also supporting obama means you are most likely liberal.

I'm tempted to insult you..that wasn't a very informed comment you made.

Left =/= liberal
The left refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating human assistance by the state in sacrifice of some degree of economic freedom. It also refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating social freedom and personal liberty.

Left Libertarian ideology advocates freedom from governmental control and social freedom.

More accurately, we'd have to divide into the political compass chart with social freedom and economic freedom being the 2 axes.

So no, liberal libertarian is a made-up term...
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1/14/2012 5:31:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:12:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:05:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....

libertarianism (left): http://en.wikipedia.org...

It exists.

Also supporting obama means you are most likely liberal.

I'm tempted to insult you..that wasn't a very informed comment you made.

Left =/= liberal
The left refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating human assistance by the state in sacrifice of some degree of economic freedom. It also refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating social freedom and personal liberty.

Left Libertarian ideology advocates freedom from governmental control and social freedom.

More accurately, we'd have to divide into the political compass chart with social freedom and economic freedom being the 2 axes.

So no, liberal libertarian is a made-up term...

I am with my grandson the source says it sometimes refers to socialism. Which is liberal/leftist. Also your comment about insulting, was unnecessary you seem very hateful. Also when you said "sacrifice some degree of economic freedom", that is liberal economics which you and I advocate. So:

1. He is right
2. you proved his point
3. why are you mean?
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1/14/2012 5:39:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:31:46 PM, Angelo wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:12:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:05:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....

libertarianism (left): http://en.wikipedia.org...

It exists.

Also supporting obama means you are most likely liberal.

I'm tempted to insult you..that wasn't a very informed comment you made.

Left =/= liberal
The left refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating human assistance by the state in sacrifice of some degree of economic freedom. It also refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating social freedom and personal liberty.

Left Libertarian ideology advocates freedom from governmental control and social freedom.

More accurately, we'd have to divide into the political compass chart with social freedom and economic freedom being the 2 axes.

So no, liberal libertarian is a made-up term...

I am with my grandson the source says it sometimes refers to socialism. Which is liberal/leftist. Also your comment about insulting, was unnecessary you seem very hateful. Also when you said "sacrifice some degree of economic freedom", that is liberal economics which you and I advocate. So:

1. He is right
2. you proved his point
3. why are you mean?

You're related to him?

"sacrifice some degree of economic freedom" refers to ALL leftist ideologies, not just liberalism. So, socialism and communism also sacrifice economic freedom except to greater degrees. Left does not equal liberalism, Left is a blanket word and a series of ideologies fit inside. Liberal Libertarian does not exist, left libertarian does not mean liberal libertarian. The definition of left =/= the definition of liberal.

Left = a category
Liberal = a file under that category.

You're both wrong.
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1/14/2012 5:43:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:39:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:31:46 PM, Angelo wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:12:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:05:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....

libertarianism (left): http://en.wikipedia.org...

It exists.

Also supporting obama means you are most likely liberal.

I'm tempted to insult you..that wasn't a very informed comment you made.

Left =/= liberal
The left refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating human assistance by the state in sacrifice of some degree of economic freedom. It also refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating social freedom and personal liberty.

Left Libertarian ideology advocates freedom from governmental control and social freedom.

More accurately, we'd have to divide into the political compass chart with social freedom and economic freedom being the 2 axes.

So no, liberal libertarian is a made-up term...

I am with my grandson the source says it sometimes refers to socialism. Which is liberal/leftist. Also your comment about insulting, was unnecessary you seem very hateful. Also when you said "sacrifice some degree of economic freedom", that is liberal economics which you and I advocate. So:

1. He is right
2. you proved his point
3. why are you mean?

You're related to him?

yep he is

"sacrifice some degree of economic freedom" refers to ALL leftist ideologies, not just liberalism. So, socialism and communism also sacrifice economic freedom except to greater degrees. Left does not equal liberalism, Left is a blanket word and a series of ideologies fit inside. Liberal Libertarian does not exist, left libertarian does not mean liberal libertarian. The definition of left =/= the definition of liberal.

Yes that categorizes it on the left side of the spectrum, which are all liberal ideologies. So it is not liberal, it is liberal-esque. Still in the liberal ideology zone, spare a few social and a few economic views.

Left = a category
Liberal = a file under that category.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

They are all files but have similar beliefs. People consider libertarians conservative. Same applies here, some people call socialists liberal etc. Same thing applies.

You're both wrong.

you, me, and my grandpa are all wrong in different ways.
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1/14/2012 5:47:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
not gonna respond again because of this: http://www.debate.org...
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1/14/2012 5:49:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:43:56 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:39:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:31:46 PM, Angelo wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:12:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:05:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....

libertarianism (left): http://en.wikipedia.org...

It exists.

Also supporting obama means you are most likely liberal.

I'm tempted to insult you..that wasn't a very informed comment you made.

Left =/= liberal
The left refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating human assistance by the state in sacrifice of some degree of economic freedom. It also refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating social freedom and personal liberty.

Left Libertarian ideology advocates freedom from governmental control and social freedom.

More accurately, we'd have to divide into the political compass chart with social freedom and economic freedom being the 2 axes.

So no, liberal libertarian is a made-up term...

I am with my grandson the source says it sometimes refers to socialism. Which is liberal/leftist. Also your comment about insulting, was unnecessary you seem very hateful. Also when you said "sacrifice some degree of economic freedom", that is liberal economics which you and I advocate. So:

1. He is right
2. you proved his point
3. why are you mean?

You're related to him?

yep he is

"sacrifice some degree of economic freedom" refers to ALL leftist ideologies, not just liberalism. So, socialism and communism also sacrifice economic freedom except to greater degrees. Left does not equal liberalism, Left is a blanket word and a series of ideologies fit inside. Liberal Libertarian does not exist, left libertarian does not mean liberal libertarian. The definition of left =/= the definition of liberal.

Yes that categorizes it on the left side of the spectrum, which are all liberal ideologies. So it is not liberal, it is liberal-esque. Still in the liberal ideology zone, spare a few social and a few economic views.

There is no such thing as Liberal ideologIES! there is ONE liberal ideology and that is liberalism.

Left = a category
Liberal = a file under that category.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Did you think I'd see a link and say, oh he as proof, I must be wrong, without checking it? That link refutes nothing.
"In politics, Left, left-wing and leftist generally refer to support for social change to create a more egalitarian society.[1][2][3][4] They usually involve a concern for those in society who are disadvantaged relatively to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities (which right-wing politics view as natural or traditional) that should be reduced or abolished"

Thats what left means.

"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion.[3][4][5][6][7] These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation."

Thats what liberal means.

They are all files but have similar beliefs. People consider libertarians conservative. Same applies here, some people call socialists liberal etc. Same thing applies.

You're both wrong.

you, me, and my grandpa are all wrong in different ways.

No, just you and your grandpa...
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1/14/2012 5:52:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:49:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:43:56 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:39:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:31:46 PM, Angelo wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:12:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:05:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 5:03:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:59:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:54:39 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:51:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is so pathetic its not even funny. For starters, OMG is not liberal, of us all you deem opponents he has been the most neutral and tolerant of all of you. Allkid a troll and has not spoken a word in the forums, and on TOP of that, he is a Libertarian.

A Liberal voting block does not exist. A liberal coalition does not exist either. You lump Royal and I together, but Royal is communist. The left is also dreadfully underrepresented on this website and we just got a new influx of crazy vocal rightwingers, what the hell makes you think you can manufacture false coalitions in comparison to the valid one you're part of?

This thread is an epic fail.

we don't always vote for conservatives. I vote for the liberal view sometimes.

Also alkid is a liberal libertarian: http://www.debate.org...

Theres no such thing as a liberal libertarian.

Supporting Obama =/= Liberal....

libertarianism (left): http://en.wikipedia.org...

It exists.

Also supporting obama means you are most likely liberal.

I'm tempted to insult you..that wasn't a very informed comment you made.

Left =/= liberal
The left refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating human assistance by the state in sacrifice of some degree of economic freedom. It also refers to a cluster of ideologies advocating social freedom and personal liberty.

Left Libertarian ideology advocates freedom from governmental control and social freedom.

More accurately, we'd have to divide into the political compass chart with social freedom and economic freedom being the 2 axes.

So no, liberal libertarian is a made-up term...

I am with my grandson the source says it sometimes refers to socialism. Which is liberal/leftist. Also your comment about insulting, was unnecessary you seem very hateful. Also when you said "sacrifice some degree of economic freedom", that is liberal economics which you and I advocate. So:

1. He is right
2. you proved his point
3. why are you mean?

You're related to him?

yep he is

"sacrifice some degree of economic freedom" refers to ALL leftist ideologies, not just liberalism. So, socialism and communism also sacrifice economic freedom except to greater degrees. Left does not equal liberalism, Left is a blanket word and a series of ideologies fit inside. Liberal Libertarian does not exist, left libertarian does not mean liberal libertarian. The definition of left =/= the definition of liberal.

Yes that categorizes it on the left side of the spectrum, which are all liberal ideologies. So it is not liberal, it is liberal-esque. Still in the liberal ideology zone, spare a few social and a few economic views.

There is no such thing as Liberal ideologIES! there is ONE liberal ideology and that is liberalism.

Left = a category
Liberal = a file under that category.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Did you think I'd see a link and say, oh he as proof, I must be wrong, without checking it? That link refutes nothing.
"In politics, Left, left-wing and leftist generally refer to support for social change to create a more egalitarian society.[1][2][3][4] They usually involve a concern for those in society who are disadvantaged relatively to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities (which right-wing politics view as natural or traditional) that should be reduced or abolished"

Thats what left means.

"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion.[3][4][5][6][7] These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation."

Thats what liberal means.

They are all files but have similar beliefs. People consider libertarians conservative. Same applies here, some people call socialists liberal etc. Same thing applies.

You're both wrong.

you, me, and my grandpa are all wrong in different ways.

No, just you and your grandpa...

see my other post
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1/14/2012 5:58:42 PM
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This is an izbo justification. "I don't need to justify my biased voting because I'm gonna call everyone else biased."
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1/14/2012 6:06:38 PM
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At 1/14/2012 5:58:42 PM, bluesteel wrote:
This is an izbo justification. "I don't need to justify my biased voting because I'm gonna call everyone else biased."

everyone is biased here.
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1/14/2012 6:08:37 PM
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At 1/14/2012 4:32:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
time to show their mistakes:

OMG Justin Beiber VB LK when he didn't VB http://www.debate.org....

Alkid: http://www.debate.org...

Stephan hawking failed to clarify (which is your argument vs me): http://www.debate.org...

jm not guilty his RFD:

"Forfeit and CON failed to address PRO's premises accurately and adequately, leaving PRO's contentions partially unrefuted."

1. Pro ff'd too
2. Although con had bad arguments pro DID NOT HAVE EVEN ONE
3. therefore con should have won even with those terrible arguments.

http://www.debate.org...

Get over it every one VB's, not just us. Everyone should be allowed to vote. So this refutes your forum.

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1/14/2012 6:11:32 PM
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time to show their mistakes:

OMG Justin Beiber VB LK when he didn't VB http://www.debate.org.......

He changed his vote RFD. The first RFD was stupid. It wasn't worth changing mine because I had already been counter VBed and the results were clear.
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1/14/2012 6:12:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 5:58:42 PM, bluesteel wrote:
This is an izbo justification. "I don't need to justify my biased voting because I'm gonna call everyone else biased."

Also I was saying every ideology here has some VB's. We do it, libertarians usually don't but occasionally, the liberals do it, etc. The only reason they care is because there are like 500 new conservatives so 3/500 will VB (exaggerated 500 obviously) but only a few liberals VB, but we VB more as there are more of us. Also when people VB me I just message people to counter, I do not make forums complaining (until now because both ideologies and their VB's should be pointed out). It seems something that should end it, making a 50-50 blame now shut up forum has made it worse :(
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1/14/2012 6:12:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 6:08:37 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/14/2012 4:32:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
time to show their mistakes:

OMG Justin Beiber VB LK when he didn't VB http://www.debate.org....

Alkid: http://www.debate.org...

Stephan hawking failed to clarify (which is your argument vs me): http://www.debate.org...

jm not guilty his RFD:

"Forfeit and CON failed to address PRO's premises accurately and adequately, leaving PRO's contentions partially unrefuted."

1. Pro ff'd too
2. Although con had bad arguments pro DID NOT HAVE EVEN ONE
3. therefore con should have won even with those terrible arguments.

http://www.debate.org...

Get over it every one VB's, not just us. Everyone should be allowed to vote. So this refutes your forum.


+10000000

Go read everyone's comments explaining why this is nonsense before you agree with it, unless of course that takes too much brain power, we know how much you like to conserve.
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1/14/2012 6:13:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 6:11:32 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
time to show their mistakes:

OMG Justin Beiber VB LK when he didn't VB http://www.debate.org.......

He changed his vote RFD. The first RFD was stupid. It wasn't worth changing mine because I had already been counter VBed and the results were clear.

what was his first one? it just gave me sources from what I can recall.
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