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1/17/2012 9:38:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well lets see. I am gonna leave this thread right here for everyone to look upon. Jim Timmy obviously has some serious issues concerning his world view on others here in the world abroad. But he does make points based on his own experiences and upbringing. I think that much of his feelings comes from hate and fear which leaves unresolved internal conflicts from relations and things past.
This forum gives him some sort of space to vent his anger towards the very thing that he opposes or misundertands. So most of his prejudices are only delusions. Do you agree ? Comments please.
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1/17/2012 10:01:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Right.

Because recognizing scientific fact that some races are genetically superior to others is racist.
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1/17/2012 10:05:27 AM
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At 1/17/2012 10:01:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Right.

Because recognizing scientific fact that some races are genetically superior to others is racist.

Are you kidding? No race is superior or inferior to any other race. That is the very definition of racism: believing your race to be superior to other races. I always knew JimTimmy was a racist. The big surprise is you believing the same thing.
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1/17/2012 10:11:45 AM
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Yeah he is, anyone who describes Martin Luther King Jr as an "adulterous fool" and nothing else is racist...

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1/17/2012 10:21:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 10:05:27 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:01:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Right.

Because recognizing scientific fact that some races are genetically superior to others is racist.

Are you kidding? No race is superior or inferior to any other race. That is the very definition of racism: believing your race to be superior to other races. I always knew JimTimmy was a racist. The big surprise is you believing the same thing.

Scientific fact is scientific fact.
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1/17/2012 10:24:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am sorry that scientific fact does not coincide with your egalitarian societal view, but it is true.
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1/17/2012 10:28:51 AM
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At 1/17/2012 10:24:07 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I am sorry that scientific fact does not coincide with your egalitarian societal view, but it is true.

How exactly do you define what makes one race, overall, superior to another? Suppose we accept that the racial differences arise solely from the merit of the races and their genealogy, what standard do we use to determine which is of greater overall worth?
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1/17/2012 10:31:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 10:28:51 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:24:07 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I am sorry that scientific fact does not coincide with your egalitarian societal view, but it is true.

How exactly do you define what makes one race, overall, superior to another? Suppose we accept that the racial differences arise solely from the merit of the races and their genealogy, what standard do we use to determine which is of greater overall worth?

The only highly measurable trait in humans is intelligence. By measuring intelligence, and averaging out the statistics, we can see that one race is more/less intelligent than others. Since intelligence is mostly genetic, we can infer that some races are genetically superior while others inferior.
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1/17/2012 10:36:08 AM
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At 1/17/2012 10:31:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:28:51 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:24:07 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I am sorry that scientific fact does not coincide with your egalitarian societal view, but it is true.

How exactly do you define what makes one race, overall, superior to another? Suppose we accept that the racial differences arise solely from the merit of the races and their genealogy, what standard do we use to determine which is of greater overall worth?

The only highly measurable trait in humans is intelligence. By measuring intelligence, and averaging out the statistics, we can see that one race is more/less intelligent than others. Since intelligence is mostly genetic, we can infer that some races are genetically superior while others inferior.

How is intelligence defined? What if I could shed doubt on the traditional unit of IQ as an accurate measure?

Does functional skill count as intelligence? Why or why not? Because I think even the most staunch white supremacist would have a hard time denying that black people are generally superior at things like sports or music.

Lastly, why is intelligence the only indicator of worth? I can name countless intelligent people from both history, and my personal life who are downright evil...
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1/17/2012 10:40:34 AM
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At 1/17/2012 10:36:08 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:31:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:28:51 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:24:07 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I am sorry that scientific fact does not coincide with your egalitarian societal view, but it is true.

How exactly do you define what makes one race, overall, superior to another? Suppose we accept that the racial differences arise solely from the merit of the races and their genealogy, what standard do we use to determine which is of greater overall worth?

The only highly measurable trait in humans is intelligence. By measuring intelligence, and averaging out the statistics, we can see that one race is more/less intelligent than others. Since intelligence is mostly genetic, we can infer that some races are genetically superior while others inferior.

How is intelligence defined? What if I could shed doubt on the traditional unit of IQ as an accurate measure?
Go ahead. IQ is measure of intelligence. Not of knowledge, but intelligence. Higher or lower intelligence does not necessarily correspond with knowledge. A person with an IQ of 80 might have a greater knowledge than a person with an IQ of 100. IQ simply stands as a basic functional reasoning skill level.
Does functional skill count as intelligence? Why or why not? Because I think even the most staunch white supremacist would have a hard time denying that black people are generally superior at things like sports or music.
Functional skill is influenced by IQ, therefore by genetics. Let I remind you that neither sports not music require a high IQ to be part of.
Lastly, why is intelligence the only indicator of worth? I can name countless intelligent people from both history, and my personal life who are downright evil...

It's not the only indicator, but it is a major indicator of a person's basic reasoning skills.

I never said that having a high IQ makes people good. I simply said that it makes them smarter, and therefore more prone to being good or bad.
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1/17/2012 11:18:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 10:21:07 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:05:27 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:01:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Right.

Because recognizing scientific fact that some races are genetically superior to others is racist.

Are you kidding? No race is superior or inferior to any other race. That is the very definition of racism: believing your race to be superior to other races. I always knew JimTimmy was a racist. The big surprise is you believing the same thing.

Scientific fact is scientific fact.

Can you prove to me and everyone else here who is superior to who ? ?
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1/17/2012 11:20:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 10:11:45 AM, imabench wrote:
Yeah he is, anyone who describes Martin Luther King Jr as an "adulterous fool" and nothing else is racist...

http://www.debate.org...

Yeah, this was the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of my labeling of him. It's likely he isn't conscious of his own racism but he seems to be a racist nonetheless.
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1/17/2012 11:32:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 10:31:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:28:51 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:24:07 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I am sorry that scientific fact does not coincide with your egalitarian societal view, but it is true.

How exactly do you define what makes one race, overall, superior to another? Suppose we accept that the racial differences arise solely from the merit of the races and their genealogy, what standard do we use to determine which is of greater overall worth?

The only highly measurable trait in humans is intelligence.

Or strength, class advancement, morality, social ability, physiology, financial gain, etc.

And an 'intelligent' race with a poor work ethic is going to be worse than the slightly less intelligent stronger work ethics. This is not a point about one group having more of a work ethic, but that intelligence via IQ tests are almost pointless anyway. There are far more important things.
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1/17/2012 11:38:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
jimtimmy is supported by three people:

1. OberHerr
2. 16kadams
3. LordKnukle

Notice a trend? I remember seeing those four names together in another location on this website . . .
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1/17/2012 11:41:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 11:38:23 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
jimtimmy is supported by three people:

1. OberHerr
2. 16kadams
3. LordKnukle

Notice a trend? I remember seeing those four names together in another location on this website . . .

Yes I know these cowards. They believe that they are the superior forms here in the universe today. But it has more to do with their lack of knowledge about the accomplishments and progress of the Black Community here in the US and from days past.
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1/17/2012 12:26:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Why do you guys care so much?

I'll admit that a couple of months ago, when I was making a bunch of threads about race, you guys could justify talking about me and my views so much. But, I have not made a thread about race in a long time.

The only debates I hae done on this are ones that I have been challenged to. The only time I am talking about race at all is when someone is making threads about me or race, somebody challenges me to a debate on race, or if someone is posting on my old threads about race.

So, honestly, why the hell are you guys still going on rants and making threads about how horrible I am and how much damage I am doing to this website?

Even if I was a racist, I'm not being all that loud about anymore. People who have argued with me on this issue recently were looking to argue.

Now, I am actually not a racist, by most definitions. As Lordknuckle pointed out, I have only drawn attention to mainstream science on the topic. Races do differ genetically. And, intelligence, which is heavily genetic, varies between races. So, yes, different races have different average cognitive abilities.

Actually, I would not even go as far as Lordknuckle. I don't believe science can prove that one race is "superior" to another. Science can, and has, shown that some races have more cognitive ability than others, but there is nothing that makes a race with more cognitive ability objectively "superior" compared to another race.

So, you guys can waste your time and continue making threads and ranting about my scientific views on race. But, your just making yourselves look like idiots
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1/17/2012 12:33:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 12:26:38 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Why do you guys care so much?

I'll admit that a couple of months ago, when I was making a bunch of threads about race, you guys could justify talking about me and my views so much. But, I have not made a thread about race in a long time.

The only debates I hae done on this are ones that I have been challenged to. The only time I am talking about race at all is when someone is making threads about me or race, somebody challenges me to a debate on race, or if someone is posting on my old threads about race.

So, honestly, why the hell are you guys still going on rants and making threads about how horrible I am and how much damage I am doing to this website?

Even if I was a racist, I'm not being all that loud about anymore. People who have argued with me on this issue recently were looking to argue.

Now, I am actually not a racist, by most definitions. As Lordknuckle pointed out, I have only drawn attention to mainstream science on the topic. Races do differ genetically. And, intelligence, which is heavily genetic, varies between races. So, yes, different races have different average cognitive abilities.

Actually, I would not even go as far as Lordknuckle. I don't believe science can prove that one race is "superior" to another. Science can, and has, shown that some races have more cognitive ability than others, but there is nothing that makes a race with more cognitive ability objectively "superior" compared to another race.

So, you guys can waste your time and continue making threads and ranting about my scientific views on race. But, your just making yourselves look like idiots

Your views may be scientific but they are HIGHLY fallible at best. You dont understand metaphysics, spiritualism, and philosophy. This is where you fall off at the cliff my friend. And again you will come to realize just how despised, and hated your kind is especially as you are now facing great opposition and psychological discontent. See book Death Of Conservatism.
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1/17/2012 2:27:42 PM
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I will say, Jim, you didn't help your case by limiting your observation on MLKs character to "adulterous fool."

I say this largely because unless you wish to be redundant, the "fool" refers to his ideology and not his adultery. I'm taking a wild guess and saying you don't have a problem with MLKs theological beliefs.

That leaves one possibility for what you consider "foolish" about MLKs beliefs.
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1/17/2012 2:37:16 PM
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More like science- there is an IQ gap between blacks and whites. IQ has a strong genetic component.

More like racism- using this fact along with some unsupported inferences, I can say, without further evidence, that blacks didn't develop languages or advanced culture because of their innate traits. I can also say blacks are worse at creating healthy economies and democracies (using a correlation between high IQ countries and indicators for democracy and economics). In fact, I'll even say that blacks in modern America are GENETICALLY programmed to have different cultures than whites in modern America (though this effect doesn't necessarily apply to blacks outside of America). Furthermore, black people are more likely to pursue sports while whites pursue intellectual activities.

I don't know why, and I don't particularly care why, but different races evolved different inherent advantages for intelligence due to where they decided to move. The only necessary proof for blacks being genetically programmed to have different cultures is that genetic differences exist between races, and cultural differences exist between races. The fact that variation of culture within races is greater than between races is irrelevant.

Races are better off when segregated permanently (bastardizing Putnam), and the government not closing their borders to other races is "forced integration."

Blacks could not pull of a successful slave revolution in America due to their intelligence.
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1/17/2012 2:53:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 2:27:42 PM, Wnope wrote:
I will say, Jim, you didn't help your case by limiting your observation on MLKs character to "adulterous fool."

I say this largely because unless you wish to be redundant, the "fool" refers to his ideology and not his adultery. I'm taking a wild guess and saying you don't have a problem with MLKs theological beliefs.

That leaves one possibility for what you consider "foolish" about MLKs beliefs.

Don't make assumptions here. MLK was an egalitarian socialist, an opponent of free markets. That is what makes him a fool.
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1/17/2012 2:55:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 2:53:08 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/17/2012 2:27:42 PM, Wnope wrote:
I will say, Jim, you didn't help your case by limiting your observation on MLKs character to "adulterous fool."

I say this largely because unless you wish to be redundant, the "fool" refers to his ideology and not his adultery. I'm taking a wild guess and saying you don't have a problem with MLKs theological beliefs.

That leaves one possibility for what you consider "foolish" about MLKs beliefs.


Don't make assumptions here. MLK was an egalitarian socialist, an opponent of free markets. That is what makes him a fool.

So MLK wouldn't be a fool if he only talked about stopping segregation and equal rights for blacks and whites?
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1/17/2012 2:58:52 PM
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At 1/17/2012 2:37:16 PM, Wnope wrote:
More like science- there is an IQ gap between blacks and whites. IQ has a strong genetic component.

More like racism- using this fact along with some unsupported inferences, I can say, without further evidence, that blacks didn't develop languages or advanced culture because of their innate traits. I can also say blacks are worse at creating healthy economies and democracies (using a correlation between high IQ countries and indicators for democracy and economics). In fact, I'll even say that blacks in modern America are GENETICALLY programmed to have different cultures than whites in modern America (though this effect doesn't necessarily apply to blacks outside of America). Furthermore, black people are more likely to pursue sports while whites pursue intellectual activities.

I don't know why, and I don't particularly care why, but different races evolved different inherent advantages for intelligence due to where they decided to move. The only necessary proof for blacks being genetically programmed to have different cultures is that genetic differences exist between races, and cultural differences exist between races. The fact that variation of culture within races is greater than between races is irrelevant.

Races are better off when segregated permanently (bastardizing Putnam), and the government not closing their borders to other races is "forced integration."

Blacks could not pull of a successful slave revolution in America due to their intelligence.

More like stupidity- We should just assume that genetics played no role in anything because we cannot technically prove it. Because the Zulus and Vikings were similiar, we can say genes have nothing to do with culutural differences. Jimtimmy believes that races should be permanently segregated (which is false). Jimtimmy also believes blacks could not pull off a slave rebellion because of genes (false). In fact, if jimtimmy says genes may have had something to do with anything, he obviously means that genes had everything to do with everything.

The fact that "whiter" countries have much healthier and economically free models than black countries is simply because of geography. We should just assume genes play no role, without giving any reason why. It would be racist to do anything else.

Again, we should assume that there are no genetic differences between races because we are not sure why and how they arose. Just like we should assume chickens and humans have the same innate traits if we don't know how and why humans and chickens evovled to be different.
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1/17/2012 3:00:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 2:55:13 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/17/2012 2:53:08 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/17/2012 2:27:42 PM, Wnope wrote:
I will say, Jim, you didn't help your case by limiting your observation on MLKs character to "adulterous fool."

I say this largely because unless you wish to be redundant, the "fool" refers to his ideology and not his adultery. I'm taking a wild guess and saying you don't have a problem with MLKs theological beliefs.

That leaves one possibility for what you consider "foolish" about MLKs beliefs.


Don't make assumptions here. MLK was an egalitarian socialist, an opponent of free markets. That is what makes him a fool.

So MLK wouldn't be a fool if he only talked about stopping segregation and equal rights for blacks and whites?

MLK was right to fight Jim Crow. But, he was wrong to advocate for Federal Law forcing businesses to serve all races. The federal law that MLK was influential in passing (Civil Rights) was a harmful thing.
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1/17/2012 3:01:23 PM
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At 1/17/2012 2:58:52 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/17/2012 2:37:16 PM, Wnope wrote:
More like science- there is an IQ gap between blacks and whites. IQ has a strong genetic component.

More like racism- using this fact along with some unsupported inferences, I can say, without further evidence, that blacks didn't develop languages or advanced culture because of their innate traits. I can also say blacks are worse at creating healthy economies and democracies (using a correlation between high IQ countries and indicators for democracy and economics). In fact, I'll even say that blacks in modern America are GENETICALLY programmed to have different cultures than whites in modern America (though this effect doesn't necessarily apply to blacks outside of America). Furthermore, black people are more likely to pursue sports while whites pursue intellectual activities.

I don't know why, and I don't particularly care why, but different races evolved different inherent advantages for intelligence due to where they decided to move. The only necessary proof for blacks being genetically programmed to have different cultures is that genetic differences exist between races, and cultural differences exist between races. The fact that variation of culture within races is greater than between races is irrelevant.

Races are better off when segregated permanently (bastardizing Putnam), and the government not closing their borders to other races is "forced integration."

Blacks could not pull of a successful slave revolution in America due to their intelligence.


More like stupidity- We should just assume that genetics played no role in anything because we cannot technically prove it. Because the Zulus and Vikings were similiar, we can say genes have nothing to do with culutural differences. Jimtimmy believes that races should be permanently segregated (which is false). Jimtimmy also believes blacks could not pull off a slave rebellion because of genes (false). In fact, if jimtimmy says genes may have had something to do with anything, he obviously means that genes had everything to do with everything.

The fact that "whiter" countries have much healthier and economically free models than black countries is simply because of geography. We should just assume genes play no role, without giving any reason why. It would be racist to do anything else.

Again, we should assume that there are no genetic differences between races because we are not sure why and how they arose. Just like we should assume chickens and humans have the same innate traits if we don't know how and why humans and chickens evovled to be different.

Ah, I forgot:

"we can compare the intelligence of black homo sapiens and white homo sapiens analogous to how we would would compare the intelligence of a white homo sapiens to a chicken."
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1/17/2012 3:13:26 PM
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At 1/17/2012 10:01:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Right.

Because recognizing scientific fact that some races are genetically superior to others is racist.

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1/17/2012 3:15:37 PM
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At 1/17/2012 3:13:26 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:01:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Right.

Because recognizing scientific fact that some races are genetically superior to others is racist.

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1/17/2012 3:16:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 3:01:23 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/17/2012 2:58:52 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/17/2012 2:37:16 PM, Wnope wrote:
More like science- there is an IQ gap between blacks and whites. IQ has a strong genetic component.

More like racism- using this fact along with some unsupported inferences, I can say, without further evidence, that blacks didn't develop languages or advanced culture because of their innate traits. I can also say blacks are worse at creating healthy economies and democracies (using a correlation between high IQ countries and indicators for democracy and economics). In fact, I'll even say that blacks in modern America are GENETICALLY programmed to have different cultures than whites in modern America (though this effect doesn't necessarily apply to blacks outside of America). Furthermore, black people are more likely to pursue sports while whites pursue intellectual activities.

I don't know why, and I don't particularly care why, but different races evolved different inherent advantages for intelligence due to where they decided to move. The only necessary proof for blacks being genetically programmed to have different cultures is that genetic differences exist between races, and cultural differences exist between races. The fact that variation of culture within races is greater than between races is irrelevant.

Races are better off when segregated permanently (bastardizing Putnam), and the government not closing their borders to other races is "forced integration."

Blacks could not pull of a successful slave revolution in America due to their intelligence.


More like stupidity- We should just assume that genetics played no role in anything because we cannot technically prove it. Because the Zulus and Vikings were similiar, we can say genes have nothing to do with culutural differences. Jimtimmy believes that races should be permanently segregated (which is false). Jimtimmy also believes blacks could not pull off a slave rebellion because of genes (false). In fact, if jimtimmy says genes may have had something to do with anything, he obviously means that genes had everything to do with everything.

The fact that "whiter" countries have much healthier and economically free models than black countries is simply because of geography. We should just assume genes play no role, without giving any reason why. It would be racist to do anything else.

Again, we should assume that there are no genetic differences between races because we are not sure why and how they arose. Just like we should assume chickens and humans have the same innate traits if we don't know how and why humans and chickens evovled to be different.

Ah, I forgot:

"we can compare the intelligence of black homo sapiens and white homo sapiens analogous to how we would would compare the intelligence of a white homo sapiens to a chicken."

Ah, I forgot:

"We can dismiss any logical or scientific point because it sounds racially controversial."
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1/17/2012 3:17:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 3:15:37 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/17/2012 3:13:26 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 1/17/2012 10:01:34 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Right.

Because recognizing scientific fact that some races are genetically superior to others is racist.

Lordknuckle..........

Man-Is-Good........

Would you care giving a criteria on which to judge races?
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