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Why are Republicans symbolized as Elephants?

Yarely
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1/27/2012 3:11:59 PM
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And why are Democrats symbolized as donkeys?
What characteristics about Liberals and Conservatives make this occur?
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1/27/2012 3:16:52 PM
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Democrats today say the donkey is smart and brave, while Republicans say the elephant is strong and dignified.
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1/27/2012 3:20:35 PM
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Once upon a time there was a wise dragon named mufofo. He watched over the people of Sning Sning who did not have a leader. One day the people of Sning Sning grew tired of not having a leader and came to Mufofo and asked him to choose a leader for them. Mufofo was greatly saddened by this, as he knew this would only lead to harm in the future. He granted their request, and said to the people there would be a race across an obstacle course between the two candidates he had chosen; a donkey and an elephant. (He chose the worst possible choices for the race to try and show the people the foolishness of their request).
History does not tell who won the race, only that they ordered the people to kill the dragon, for they feared his influence over the people.
To this day we have a tradition of choosing the worst possible candidates from either the party of the elephant or the party of the donkey.
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1/27/2012 3:29:55 PM
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I know the donkey was because Andrew Jackson, or whoever the 7th president was, was called stubborn, and he was equated with a donkey because of this. I guess it stuck.

Not sure about the elephant.
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1/27/2012 3:32:07 PM
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OberHerr is correct somewhat. The people running against him didn't like him and depicted him as a Jack@## and that's how the donkey came to be.
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1/27/2012 5:55:46 PM
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A quick google search says the Elephant came from its use in a Newspaper called Harper's Weekly, where there was an illustration of a donkey in lion's skin scaring away the animals ( an elephant being among them) and it stuck somehow from there on. http://www.factmonster.com...

Though, I prefer to imagine that the elephant is an invasive and intrusive creature that boasts with its stature, but runs away like a coward when a small mouse crawls by. Just like Republicans in a debate. lol :p
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1/27/2012 5:57:53 PM
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At 1/27/2012 5:55:46 PM, 000ike wrote:
A quick google search says the Elephant came from its use in a Newspaper called Harper's Weekly, where there was an illustration of a donkey in lion's skin scaring away the animals ( an elephant being among them) and it stuck somehow from there on. http://www.factmonster.com...

Though, I prefer to imagine that the elephant is an invasive and intrusive creature that boasts with its stature, but runs away like a coward when a small mouse crawls by. Just like Republicans in a debate. lol :p

This. In addition, elephants are rather unintelligent . . .
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1/27/2012 6:05:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 6:03:23 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I see flamewar in this thread...

dude....really? It was a joke....

stop starting things
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1/27/2012 6:05:32 PM
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Lol, well hey, this was interesting.

Didn't know all that. :)

I guess, further evidence that cartoonists aren't taken seriously enough.
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1/27/2012 6:09:47 PM
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At 1/27/2012 5:57:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
This. In addition, elephants are rather unintelligent . . .

What are you talking about? Have you seen their brain size? :P
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1/27/2012 8:52:09 PM
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At 1/27/2012 5:57:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/27/2012 5:55:46 PM, 000ike wrote:
A quick google search says the Elephant came from its use in a Newspaper called Harper's Weekly, where there was an illustration of a donkey in lion's skin scaring away the animals ( an elephant being among them) and it stuck somehow from there on. http://www.factmonster.com...

Though, I prefer to imagine that the elephant is an invasive and intrusive creature that boasts with its stature, but runs away like a coward when a small mouse crawls by. Just like Republicans in a debate. lol :p

This. In addition, elephants are rather unintelligent . . .

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1/27/2012 10:52:32 PM
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At 1/27/2012 5:55:46 PM, 000ike wrote:
A quick google search says the Elephant came from its use in a Newspaper called Harper's Weekly, where there was an illustration of a donkey in lion's skin scaring away the animals ( an elephant being among them) and it stuck somehow from there on. http://www.factmonster.com...

Though, I prefer to imagine that the elephant is an invasive and intrusive creature that boasts with its stature, but runs away like a coward when a small mouse crawls by. Just like Republicans in a debate. lol :p

I remember being told in High School that the political cartoon it came from was of an elephant sitting on a donkey which was meant to illustrate the republicans bullying power over democrats at the time or something like that.

I'd like to think we are elephants because we talk about the things that are the elephants in the room that democrats like to ignore, things like justice.
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1/28/2012 1:18:07 PM
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At 1/27/2012 3:11:59 PM, Yarely wrote:
And why are Democrats symbolized as donkeys?
What characteristics about Liberals and Conservatives make this occur?

The first two US Parties were the Federalist Party, and the Republican Party (Historians refer to it as the Democratic-Republican Party)

In 1820 the Federalist Party disbanded, leaving only the Republican Party.
In the 1824 elections between Andrew Jackson, and John Quincy Adams, both candidates were members of the Republican Party.

Jackson supporters were known as Jackson's men, and Adam's supporters were known as Adam's men.
Adam's men called Jackson's men Jack A$$es.

Adams won the 1824 elections, and in 1825 Adam's men formed the National Republican Party.
Between 1825 and 1828 the two parties were the Republicans, and the National Republicans.
Jackson's men changed the name of the Republican Party to the Democratic Party in 1828, when Jackson ran against Adam once again, and this time won.

The Democratic party, being comprised of Jackson's men, adopted the Jack A$$, or Donkey, as their party symbol, in light of their nickname by Adam's men.

The National Republican Party was succeeded by the Whig Party in 1833. The Republican Party split from the Whig Party in 1854, and in 1856 the Whig party was absorbed by the Republican Party.
The Republican Party lost the 1856 election with John C. Frémont as their first presidential candidate.

In 1860 Lincoln ran for President and won.
Before Lincoln took office, several states seceded from the union, which were followed by others.
Despite opposition in the North he threaten the seceding south with Civil War, in order to maintain the union. The South formed the Confederacy in 1861, and shortly after the civil war broke out in 1861.

In 1864 the Republican Party became the National Union Party, with Lincoln as their Candidate.
In 1868 the National Union Party reverted back into the Republican Party, with General Grant as their Candidate, Grant won against the Democratic nomination Horatio Seymour.

In 1872 the Northern Democrats were all but gone, and the Republican Party was split between the normal Republicans, and the Liberal Republicans. (Liberal Republicans were Nationalists not Liberal, they used a non-political definition of the term liberal)
General Grant won a 2nd term in the Presidency.

In 1874 Thomas Nast immortalized both party's symbols, by depicting the Republican Party as a War elephant, with the phrase "Republican vote", while depicted the iconic Democratic Donkey, wearing a lion's skin, with the phrase "Caesarism"
The caption of the political cartoon read, "the A$$, having put on Loin's skin, roamed about in the forest,and frightened all the animals he met with his wanderings."

Here is the political cartoon: http://s3.amazonaws.com...
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1/28/2012 1:35:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/28/2012 1:18:07 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:11:59 PM, Yarely wrote:
And why are Democrats symbolized as donkeys?
What characteristics about Liberals and Conservatives make this occur?

The first two US Parties were the Federalist Party, and the Republican Party (Historians refer to it as the Democratic-Republican Party)

In 1820 the Federalist Party disbanded, leaving only the Republican Party.
In the 1824 elections between Andrew Jackson, and John Quincy Adams, both candidates were members of the Republican Party.

Jackson supporters were known as Jackson's men, and Adam's supporters were known as Adam's men.
Adam's men called Jackson's men Jack A$$es.

Adams won the 1824 elections, and in 1825 Adam's men formed the National Republican Party.
Between 1825 and 1828 the two parties were the Republicans, and the National Republicans.
Jackson's men changed the name of the Republican Party to the Democratic Party in 1828, when Jackson ran against Adam once again, and this time won.

The Democratic party, being comprised of Jackson's men, adopted the Jack A$$, or Donkey, as their party symbol, in light of their nickname by Adam's men.


The National Republican Party was succeeded by the Whig Party in 1833. The Republican Party split from the Whig Party in 1854, and in 1856 the Whig party was absorbed by the Republican Party.
The Republican Party lost the 1856 election with John C. Frémont as their first presidential candidate.

In 1860 Lincoln ran for President and won.
Before Lincoln took office, several states seceded from the union, which were followed by others.
Despite opposition in the North he threaten the seceding south with Civil War, in order to maintain the union. The South formed the Confederacy in 1861, and shortly after the civil war broke out in 1861.

In 1864 the Republican Party became the National Union Party, with Lincoln as their Candidate.
In 1868 the National Union Party reverted back into the Republican Party, with General Grant as their Candidate, Grant won against the Democratic nomination Horatio Seymour.

In 1872 the Northern Democrats were all but gone, and the Republican Party was split between the normal Republicans, and the Liberal Republicans. (Liberal Republicans were Nationalists not Liberal, they used a non-political definition of the term liberal)
General Grant won a 2nd term in the Presidency.

In 1874 Thomas Nast immortalized both party's symbols, by depicting the Republican Party as a War elephant, with the phrase "Republican vote", while depicted the iconic Democratic Donkey, wearing a lion's skin, with the phrase "Caesarism"
The caption of the political cartoon read, "the A$$, having put on Loin's skin, roamed about in the forest,and frightened all the animals he met with his wanderings."

Here is the political cartoon: http://s3.amazonaws.com...

Here is some other cartoons by Harper's Weekly (the paper which 1st aired the cartoon)

1877: http://cartoons.osu.edu...
1903: http://www.artnet.com...

Nast also established many Christmas traditions including how we picture Santa, the Christmas tree, and more.
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1/28/2012 1:51:22 PM
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Elephants kick a$$.I found that humorous
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1/28/2012 1:56:18 PM
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At 1/27/2012 5:57:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:


This. In addition, elephants are rather unintelligent . . .

http://www.livescience.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Their intelligent behavior and memory leads us to believe these animals are somewhat intelligent. They post is totally false.
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1/28/2012 2:18:19 PM
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At 1/28/2012 1:56:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/27/2012 5:57:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:


This. In addition, elephants are rather unintelligent . . .

http://www.livescience.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Their intelligent behavior and memory leads us to believe these animals are somewhat intelligent. That post is totally false.
Fixed
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