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darkkermit
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1/29/2012 2:54:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Dear all:

I've decided that I will close my account on Debate.org within an hour from this post. This site has lost its uniqueness that has made it great. I feel that Debate.org has lost its original purpose: to have intellectually stimulating discussion. It has now slowly turned into a place like the rest of the web in which people constantly ad homenium attack one another, people attack one another based on political ideology, and very little rational discussion occurs. While I am not blameless, I certainly do not wish to continue. This site should be enjoying and fun to go on, and now I felt it has lost that aspect of that.

I will keep my account open for an hour in case anybody wishes to stay in contact with me after my departure. Just send me a PM. I won't give my contact information out publicly for obvious reasons.

Perhaps I'll be back just like some members "left" and returned. Time will tell. If the environment changes for the better, I will return. But I fear this will not be the case.

For now, take care all:

-Darkkermit
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16kadams
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1/29/2012 2:55:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
How would you know if it got better if your gone?
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1/29/2012 2:56:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Aw, don't go.

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1/29/2012 2:57:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:56:36 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Aw, don't go.

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This too
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1/29/2012 2:57:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
good bye
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1/29/2012 2:58:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:55:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
How would you know if it got better if your gone?

I'm friends with socialpinko on facebook. Plus If anybody else is interested, I could keep contact with them. Jimtimmy has a blog, so I could contact him through there as well.
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1/29/2012 2:58:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:57:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
good bye

Doesn't this make you wanna stay? I bet 000ike was smiling when he read this!

At least play Mafia, a little, to recharge yourself.
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1/29/2012 2:59:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:58:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/29/2012 2:55:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
How would you know if it got better if your gone?

I'm friends with socialpinko on facebook. Plus If anybody else is interested, I could keep contact with them. Jimtimmy has a blog, so I could contact him through there as well.

I abondined Facebook and my blog :p
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1/29/2012 2:59:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:57:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
good bye

Your mean :) lol
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1/29/2012 3:00:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:58:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/29/2012 2:57:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
good bye

Doesn't this make you wanna stay? I bet 000ike was smiling when he read this!

I'm not going to stay for "spite".

At least play Mafia, a little, to recharge yourself.

Never was too much a mafia fan, and there are other places to play mafia.
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1/29/2012 3:01:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well, if you really wanna leave, I can't stop you.

Hopefully, you shall return. :)
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1/29/2012 3:02:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 3:00:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/29/2012 2:58:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/29/2012 2:57:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
good bye

Doesn't this make you wanna stay? I bet 000ike was smiling when he read this!

I'm not going to stay for "spite".

At least play Mafia, a little, to recharge yourself.

Never was too much a mafia fan, and there are other places to play mafia.

I dislike mafia too
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1/29/2012 3:02:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hopefully, this isn't the last time we'll see you, darkkermit.
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1/29/2012 3:12:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If I may just briefly remind everyone, this sense of stagnancy is not new to DDO, and quite frankly occurs periodically and sometimes after dramatic events.

We saw the same complaints of slowness and emptiness following the AnCap exodus, when I first joined the website. Then there was a slowness and a call for civility around August when Inferno and Izbo were joint trolls dominating the Forums. Then there was a bit of lag when schools started in September. Now following both the Izbo trial, and arguments against racism, the feeling has returned.

This is as close to perfect as any other debate website on the internet, as is expected from an environment of radically different views on life, tensions will run high from time to time. This is then not indicative of some sort of decline, but a reflection on the fact that we're all human, and nothing is perfect. So, if you think a break from DDO would be beneficial, then by all means leave. But I urge you to reconsider your perception of the website in an unusual and lackluster period of decadence.
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1/29/2012 3:18:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well, it'll be sad to see you leave Dark. Your knowledge of economics is quite advanced and at some point soon I was going to ask some questions about Keynesian economics and such. Anyhow, not like I could change your mind - you'd hardly know who I am.

As a final note, try and realise that good discussions can take place if you talk to the right people. Finally, is there anywhere else you are intending to go as a substitute of DDO? If so, where?
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1/29/2012 3:20:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You will be missed.

We have agreed and disagreed on a lot while you have been here, but you have always argued respectfully and with honesty.

As you said earlier, I will still be available on my blog so we can keep in contact.
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darkkermit
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1/29/2012 3:27:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 3:20:58 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
You will be missed.

We have agreed and disagreed on a lot while you have been here, but you have always argued respectfully and with honesty.

As you said earlier, I will still be available on my blog so we can keep in contact.

Yea, perhaps I will start my own blog, and we can critique each other. Yea, your blog is always a good read, so I'll definitely keep in contact with you there.
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Yarely
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1/29/2012 3:33:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:54:10 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Dear all:

I've decided that I will close my account on Debate.org within an hour from this post. This site has lost its uniqueness that has made it great. I feel that Debate.org has lost its original purpose: to have intellectually stimulating discussion. It has now slowly turned into a place like the rest of the web in which people constantly ad homenium attack one another, people attack one another based on political ideology, and very little rational discussion occurs. While I am not blameless, I certainly do not wish to continue. This site should be enjoying and fun to go on, and now I felt it has lost that aspect of that.

I will keep my account open for an hour in case anybody wishes to stay in contact with me after my departure. Just send me a PM. I won't give my contact information out publicly for obvious reasons.

Perhaps I'll be back just like some members "left" and returned. Time will tell. If the environment changes for the better, I will return. But I fear this will not be the case.

For now, take care all:

-Darkkermit

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Don't leave because of this issue
We need to provide an example that we can discuss things civilly and calmly instead of just getting out of the site because of this problem
A lot of DDO members are already recognizing this issue and are acknowledging that it needs to be fixed
It'll get better if we work at it
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1/29/2012 3:41:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Leaving DDO because you don't feel that the current active members of the site can not have honest intellectual discussion is silly. Members come and go, you have been here long enough to know that. If you do not find anything stimulating about the discussion here then visit less frequently until things change. But closing your DDO account and creating a departure thread to push you out the door takes away the option for you casually enjoy DDO as the opportunity arises. The trolls will still troll. You are the one who loses.
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1/29/2012 3:44:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Sorry to see you leave. I considered closing my account plenty of times because DDO is such a time-sucker. That way, I won't be tempted to log on every time I see a computer (in the library etc). But I could never follow through with it.

Double_R is right, though. Why close your account if you don't like the current members? Just log on less frequently or not at all until you feel that you want to return.
darkkermit
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1/29/2012 3:48:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 3:44:33 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Sorry to see you leave. I considered closing my account plenty of times because DDO is such a time-sucker. That way, I won't be tempted to log on every time I see a computer (in the library etc). But I could never follow through with it.

Double_R is right, though. Why close your account if you don't like the current members? Just log on less frequently or not at all until you feel that you want to return.

You can unlock your account once you lock it again.

I could just go on the site less frequently, but I felt that If I do that i wouldn't follow through and just suck my time doing something that i don't enjoy, or I'd just slowly leave anyways. I feel this ads a bit more closure.
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1/29/2012 3:51:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DON'T LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I shall respect your decision to leave [if you do leave]. Please find peace and happiness upon your internet travels.
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1/29/2012 3:59:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There was a time when DDO wasn't filled with undesirables? I think you might just be a little nostalgic because the novelty has worn off.

Eh, what do I know about it?
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1/29/2012 4:45:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:54:10 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Dear all:

I've decided that I will close my account on Debate.org within an hour from this post. This site has lost its uniqueness that has made it great. I feel that Debate.org has lost its original purpose: to have intellectually stimulating discussion. It has now slowly turned into a place like the rest of the web in which people constantly ad homenium attack one another, people attack one another based on political ideology, and very little rational discussion occurs. While I am not blameless, I certainly do not wish to continue. This site should be enjoying and fun to go on, and now I felt it has lost that aspect of that.

I will keep my account open for an hour in case anybody wishes to stay in contact with me after my departure. Just send me a PM. I won't give my contact information out publicly for obvious reasons.

Perhaps I'll be back just like some members "left" and returned. Time will tell. If the environment changes for the better, I will return. But I fear this will not be the case.

For now, take care all:

-Darkkermit

I have enjoyed the interactions I have had with you. God bless!
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1/29/2012 4:54:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
dang he's gone
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1/29/2012 4:56:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Aw ;( He is gone.

Hopefully he will pull a JT.
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1/29/2012 5:05:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 4:56:08 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Aw ;( He is gone.

Hopefully he will pull a JT.

lol, hopefully not.

He's probably still keeping up with the responses, just without logging in. I've left websites before, but its always been gradual, I've never understood the people that can make one final decision to leave cut and dry and never return like it really has to be like that.
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1/29/2012 5:45:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 2:54:10 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Dear all:

I've decided that I will close my account on Debate.org within an hour from this post. This site has lost its uniqueness that has made it great. I feel that Debate.org has lost its original purpose: to have intellectually stimulating discussion. It has now slowly turned into a place like the rest of the web in which people constantly ad homenium attack one another, people attack one another based on political ideology, and very little rational discussion occurs. While I am not blameless, I certainly do not wish to continue. This site should be enjoying and fun to go on, and now I felt it has lost that aspect of that.

I will keep my account open for an hour in case anybody wishes to stay in contact with me after my departure. Just send me a PM. I won't give my contact information out publicly for obvious reasons.

Perhaps I'll be back just like some members "left" and returned. Time will tell. If the environment changes for the better, I will return. But I fear this will not be the case.

For now, take care all:

-Darkkermit:

Can't say I don't blame you for wanting to leave, as I've made the same observations about this sh*tty place. But there's not much point to closing your account down. Just don't log in.

Anyway, fare thee well
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