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What's with all the crappy debates?

Ron-Paul
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2/10/2012 5:28:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The vast majority of debates in voting period on the front page of the website are crappy like "purple is not a color", "the Giants won the superbowl", "the sun is better than the moon", "warmer weather is better than cooler weather", and "dogs and better than cats". The percentage of stupid debates have increased lately. What's with it?
BlackVoid
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2/10/2012 5:30:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/10/2012 5:28:35 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
The vast majority of debates in voting period on the front page of the website are crappy like "purple is not a color", "the Giants won the superbowl", "the sun is better than the moon", "warmer weather is better than cooler weather", and "dogs and better than cats". The percentage of stupid debates have increased lately. What's with it?

Its just a quick influx of trolls. It'll be over with in a couple days.
Stephen_Hawkins
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2/10/2012 5:44:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Accept them so they are removed from the challenge list, post "I accept" or a 5 minute argument, and you've helped the community imo.
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2/10/2012 8:02:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/10/2012 5:44:25 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Accept them so they are removed from the challenge list, post "I accept" or a 5 minute argument, and you've helped the community imo.

Good idea. I have already done a couple of them, such as "Summer vs Winter" and "Best Strategy PC Game". I have I guess done my part.
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2/10/2012 8:03:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Guys, saying these are crappy is opinion. Don't "remove them" simple because you think its a bad topic.
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wmpeebles
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2/10/2012 10:26:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There is a difference between a serious debate with a topic that actually is controversial verses a topic that has no real purpose. It's not like we are wanting to remove those debates because we think they are bad topics, but we genuinely feel that the topic has no real purpose in the world. For example, debating "the sun is better than the moon" is completely pointless, nothing about it is controversial and debating it accomplishes nothing constructive or productive.
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2/10/2012 10:38:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
are you all so blind you couldnt realize they were all fake accounts owned by the same person just spamming debates???
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Contra
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2/10/2012 10:44:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/10/2012 10:38:05 PM, imabench wrote:
are you all so blind you couldnt realize they were all fake accounts owned by the same person just spamming debates???

So you are saying that somebody is just spamming tons of trolls that are not even real, and that this website will get fixed soon (hopefully)?
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2/10/2012 11:57:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/10/2012 10:44:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/10/2012 10:38:05 PM, imabench wrote:
are you all so blind you couldnt realize they were all fake accounts owned by the same person just spamming debates???

So you are saying that somebody is just spamming tons of trolls that are not even real, and that this website will get fixed soon (hopefully)?

...you can't fix a website...I mean for its size and sophistication its designed quite well. There is nothing you can do to stop trolls from coming onto the site...you can only discourage them from doing so.
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2/11/2012 3:15:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/10/2012 8:02:14 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/10/2012 5:44:25 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Accept them so they are removed from the challenge list, post "I accept" or a 5 minute argument, and you've helped the community imo.

Good idea. I have already done a couple of them, such as "Summer vs Winter" and "Best Strategy PC Game". I have I guess done my part.

Many young or first time debaters just pick random subjects and throw it out there to get their feet wet. There is nothing wrong with debating whether Summer is better then Winter, or the best strategy PC games. If you don't find the topics interesting then don't read them. If no one finds the topics interesting then no one will accept. But accepting and not engaging (with the exception of obvious trolling debates) amounts to nothing more then depriving someone else of enjoying what this site has to offer.
Stephen_Hawkins
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2/11/2012 4:07:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/10/2012 8:03:24 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Guys, saying these are crappy is opinion. Don't "remove them" simple because you think its a bad topic.

Ober, they are crappy as per the debate standard, level of intelligence that goes into topics, and general ineptitude of the writers. If you accept them, then they'll either post a good argument, and fair to them, but they'll most likely post nothing at all / 1 sentence argument, and you've helped the community by keeping good debate challenges accessible.

Also, we have elected moderators and presidents in order to remove debates on our behalf that are below par. I hope that they can do their job by listening to their electorates and removing these trolls.
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OberHerr
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2/11/2012 7:25:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/11/2012 4:07:02 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 2/10/2012 8:03:24 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Guys, saying these are crappy is opinion. Don't "remove them" simple because you think its a bad topic.

Ober, they are crappy as per the debate standard, level of intelligence that goes into topics, and general ineptitude of the writers. If you accept them, then they'll either post a good argument, and fair to them, but they'll most likely post nothing at all / 1 sentence argument, and you've helped the community by keeping good debate challenges accessible.

Also, we have elected moderators and presidents in order to remove debates on our behalf that are below par. I hope that they can do their job by listening to their electorates and removing these trolls.

Who decides that?

just because YOU think thy are "inferior" does not make them so, and all this is you simply deciding how high "quality" our debates should be.
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000ike
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2/11/2012 9:42:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
1 round debates with 1 sentence arguments on frivolous subjects created in spontaneous hoards by trolls have no display of effort or seriousness. Why should they stay?

In every website there are standards. If you submit a scribble or stick figures on an art website, it gets deleted. If you spam numerous topics of little value on some forums, they get deleted. Standards make a website professional, and standards invite quality members that make the website great. You tear down standards, and so do you destroy quality.
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2/12/2012 12:22:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/11/2012 9:42:23 AM, 000ike wrote:
1 round debates with 1 sentence arguments on frivolous subjects created in spontaneous hoards by trolls have no display of effort or seriousness. Why should they stay?

In every website there are standards. If you submit a scribble or stick figures on an art website, it gets deleted. If you spam numerous topics of little value on some forums, they get deleted. Standards make a website professional, and standards invite quality members that make the website great. You tear down standards, and so do you destroy quality.

Amen!
Stephen_Hawkins
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2/12/2012 12:51:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/11/2012 7:25:53 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/11/2012 4:07:02 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 2/10/2012 8:03:24 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Guys, saying these are crappy is opinion. Don't "remove them" simple because you think its a bad topic.

Ober, they are crappy as per the debate standard, level of intelligence that goes into topics, and general ineptitude of the writers. If you accept them, then they'll either post a good argument, and fair to them, but they'll most likely post nothing at all / 1 sentence argument, and you've helped the community by keeping good debate challenges accessible.

Also, we have elected moderators and presidents in order to remove debates on our behalf that are below par. I hope that they can do their job by listening to their electorates and removing these trolls.

Who decides that?

just because YOU think thy are "inferior" does not make them so, and all this is you simply deciding how high "quality" our debates should be.

Agreed. If it is just me, then it would be an authoritarian website with no legitimacy. However, as the debate standard is set by the consensus of the community, and removed by those we democratically elect and they listen to the opinion of the masses, my claim that they can be removed is rational and legitimate.
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2/12/2012 2:09:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/10/2012 10:38:05 PM, imabench wrote:
are you all so blind you couldnt realize they were all fake accounts owned by the same person just spamming debates???

Imabench has been particularly useful in cleaning up the obvious fake debates. He deserves some credit for the behind the scenes work in that.

Andromeda has been useful in cleaning up the spam in the forums, especially the ones that have been advertising television programs (pirated I assume).

Both have been pretty good at identifying the profiles that have created the crap as well.