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000ike
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2/15/2012 7:30:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I know this issue is worn and tired and has been pointed out several times, ...but just once more I'd like to point out that some of the members on here are still skewing voting results.

http://www.debate.org...

In this debate 16kadams counter VB'd Wallstreetatheist's vote, and gave Lordknuckle 6 points.

If you read Wallstreetatheist's RFD, ...its obvious that 16k blatantly votebombed and let LK win a debate he shouldn't have.

http://www.debate.org...

16k gave 5 points for a 1 sentence RFD saying he agreed with pro.

and then of course http://www.debate.org...

Ron-Paul gave 5 points to Pro with RFD "I agree with Roylatham." and then Lordknuckle "countered" 2 votes that gave con source points,...effectually 4 unwarranted points to Pro.

Do with this information what you will, but where I find debates like this, I'll post them. ..perhaps to make this shameful debate skewing more visible to everyone.
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2/15/2012 7:36:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:30:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
I know this issue is worn and tired and has been pointed out several times, ...but just once more I'd like to point out that some of the members on here are still skewing voting results.

http://www.debate.org...

In this debate 16kadams counter VB'd Wallstreetatheist's vote, and gave Lordknuckle 6 points.

If you read Wallstreetatheist's RFD, ...its obvious that 16k blatantly votebombed and let LK win a debate he shouldn't have.

http://www.debate.org...

16k gave 5 points for a 1 sentence RFD saying he agreed with pro.

and then of course http://www.debate.org...

Ron-Paul gave 5 points to Pro with RFD "I agree with Roylatham." and then Lordknuckle "countered" 2 votes that gave con source points,...effectually 4 unwarranted points to Pro.

Do with this information what you will, but where I find debates like this, I'll post them. ..perhaps to make this shameful debate skewing more visible to everyone.

Some of these I can see your point. However if I am voting on a debate and someone posts an RFD that says what I think about a debate, then I can refer to that RFD. I have seen happen on other debates and it was no big deal. I do not understand why Ron Paul saying he agreed with Roy was a votebomb.
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2/15/2012 7:38:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
And even though I agree with LK in that debate, 16k's rfd was poor and probably should have been countered.
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2/15/2012 7:38:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:36:32 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:30:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
I know this issue is worn and tired and has been pointed out several times, ...but just once more I'd like to point out that some of the members on here are still skewing voting results.

http://www.debate.org...

In this debate 16kadams counter VB'd Wallstreetatheist's vote, and gave Lordknuckle 6 points.

If you read Wallstreetatheist's RFD, ...its obvious that 16k blatantly votebombed and let LK win a debate he shouldn't have.

http://www.debate.org...

16k gave 5 points for a 1 sentence RFD saying he agreed with pro.

and then of course http://www.debate.org...

Ron-Paul gave 5 points to Pro with RFD "I agree with Roylatham." and then Lordknuckle "countered" 2 votes that gave con source points,...effectually 4 unwarranted points to Pro.

Do with this information what you will, but where I find debates like this, I'll post them. ..perhaps to make this shameful debate skewing more visible to everyone.

Some of these I can see your point. However if I am voting on a debate and someone posts an RFD that says what I think about a debate, then I can refer to that RFD. I have seen happen on other debates and it was no big deal. I do not understand why Ron Paul saying he agreed with Roy was a votebomb.

You're right, but given his previous voting activity, considering it a votebomb is logical.
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2/15/2012 7:42:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I must say the evidence is pretty damning against them.

I agree that has gone to the point of votebombing. While most people are somewhat bias in voting (it's nearly impossible not to, even if it is at a subconscious level), this is quite bad.
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2/15/2012 7:43:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:42:13 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I must say the evidence is pretty damning against them.

I agree that has gone to the point of votebombing. While most people are somewhat bias in voting (it's nearly impossible not to, even if it is at a subconscious level), this is quite bad.

They don't even know they're doing it...

I tried explaining but they don't realize how this looks to people.
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2/15/2012 7:46:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:43:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:42:13 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I must say the evidence is pretty damning against them.

I agree that has gone to the point of votebombing. While most people are somewhat bias in voting (it's nearly impossible not to, even if it is at a subconscious level), this is quite bad.

They don't even know they're doing it...

I tried explaining but they don't realize how this looks to people.

What do you expect? One is a 15 year old "military historian", one is a neoconservative libertarian, and the other is a far right 14 year old with a deep mind for political philosophy.
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2/15/2012 7:51:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

Well to the Left "votebomb" really means "a vote in which we don't fully agree with".
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2/15/2012 7:53:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:51:13 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

Well to the Left "votebomb" really means "a vote in which we don't fully agree with".

I'm liberal and I don't agree with that. Don't make sweeping generalizations like that. BTW, 16ks has made questionable votes on two of my debates.
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2/15/2012 7:53:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

I'm sure you've seen voters more valuable and respected than me call an unjustified vote a votebomb. What makes a decision more valid if he gave 6 points with no RFD to one side instead of 7?
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2/15/2012 7:55:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:53:55 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

I'm sure you've seen voters more valuable and respected than me call an unjustified vote a votebomb. What makes a decision more valid if he gave 6 points with no RFD to one side instead of 7?

Or 5. Or 4.

All he's saying is call it for what it is -- severely biased or skewed voting.
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2/15/2012 7:56:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It is very annoying. Plus, I have noticed something that is rarely every concerned, that
the contender has an advantage over the instigator. Out of the 8-9 or so debates that I started, I have only won 1 - yes only 1 of them. The one that I won helped because my opponent forfeited.

It makes me feel that the voting is somewhat biased - for example in my recent Healthcare debate I literally poured hours of work into it, and still failed, even though the RFD's showed that it seemed liked they didn't read my case.

Plus, with religious debates........ UGH! Don't even get me started there. Not concerning votebombs, but just considering the emotional content involved from the other side and the constant mudsludging. The latter occurs in political debates, but you can have fun with it, instead of feeling guilty and contempt.
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2/15/2012 7:59:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

http://www.urbandictionary.com...

Urban dictionary tends to disagree.
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2/15/2012 8:02:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:59:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

http://www.urbandictionary.com...

Urban dictionary tends to disagree.

Last I checked we follow DDO rules not internet definitions...
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2/15/2012 8:03:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:53:53 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:51:13 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

Well to the Left "votebomb" really means "a vote in which we don't fully agree with".

I'm liberal and I don't agree with that. Don't make sweeping generalizations like that. BTW, 16ks has made questionable votes on two of my debates.

Yes, I think some of the problems on DDO comes to both the left and right generalization about conservative/liberal and republicans/democrats. I'm guilty of it myself and I wouldn't consider conservativepolitico a part of the problem, but it is something that members should watch themselves doing. Of course, members will still do it anyways.
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2/15/2012 8:05:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 8:03:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:53:53 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:51:13 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

Well to the Left "votebomb" really means "a vote in which we don't fully agree with".

I'm liberal and I don't agree with that. Don't make sweeping generalizations like that. BTW, 16ks has made questionable votes on two of my debates.

Yes, I think some of the problems on DDO comes to both the left and right generalization about conservative/liberal and republicans/democrats. I'm guilty of it myself and I wouldn't consider conservativepolitico a part of the problem, but it is something that members should watch themselves doing. Of course, members will still do it anyways.

+1.
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2/15/2012 8:05:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 8:02:53 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:59:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

http://www.urbandictionary.com...

Urban dictionary tends to disagree.

Last I checked we follow DDO rules not internet definitions...

If DDO sets the definition of Votebombing, then where does Innomen prove that votebombing is only when all points are given?...Most people on this site refer to VB as an unsupported vote for a certain side due to preconceived bias.

We're getting sidetracked anyway. The point is that these guys are messing up debate results.
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2/15/2012 8:12:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 8:05:42 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 2/15/2012 8:03:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:53:53 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:51:13 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:48:30 PM, innomen wrote:
BTW "Votebomb" means all points went to one side due to bias of some sort.

Well to the Left "votebomb" really means "a vote in which we don't fully agree with".

I'm liberal and I don't agree with that. Don't make sweeping generalizations like that. BTW, 16ks has made questionable votes on two of my debates.

Yes, I think some of the problems on DDO comes to both the left and right generalization about conservative/liberal and republicans/democrats. I'm guilty of it myself and I wouldn't consider conservativepolitico a part of the problem, but it is something that members should watch themselves doing. Of course, members will still do it anyways.

+1.
+2

I will point out though that many of us (including myself) don't try to vote based on our bias. It is passive at the least. However, when it is obvious, we have a problem.
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2/15/2012 8:25:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
16k did not vote bomb my debate. Wallstreetatheist provided a factually inaccurate and illogical RFD which I pointed out in the comments. Remember, just because an RFD is long does not mean that it is valid. Anybody with any sort of brains can realize that I did not have to prove the probability to be "1".
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2/15/2012 8:35:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 7:56:16 PM, Contra wrote:
It is very annoying. Plus, I have noticed something that is rarely every concerned, that
the contender has an advantage over the instigator. Out of the 8-9 or so debates that I started, I have only won 1 - yes only 1 of them. The one that I won helped because my opponent forfeited.


It makes me feel that the voting is somewhat biased - for example in my recent Healthcare debate I literally poured hours of work into it, and still failed, even though the RFD's showed that it seemed liked they didn't read my case.

Plus, with religious debates........ UGH! Don't even get me started there. Not concerning votebombs, but just considering the emotional content involved from the other side and the constant mudsludging. The latter occurs in political debates, but you can have fun with it, instead of feeling guilty and contempt.

Mongeese did an interesting debate on the contender advantage. I forget his opponent. Orele? Anyway, check it out.
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2/15/2012 8:50:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 8:35:31 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 2/15/2012 7:56:16 PM, Contra wrote:
It is very annoying. Plus, I have noticed something that is rarely every concerned, that
the contender has an advantage over the instigator. Out of the 8-9 or so debates that I started, I have only won 1 - yes only 1 of them. The one that I won helped because my opponent forfeited.


It makes me feel that the voting is somewhat biased - for example in my recent Healthcare debate I literally poured hours of work into it, and still failed, even though the RFD's showed that it seemed liked they didn't read my case.

Plus, with religious debates........ UGH! Don't even get me started there. Not concerning votebombs, but just considering the emotional content involved from the other side and the constant mudsludging. The latter occurs in political debates, but you can have fun with it, instead of feeling guilty and contempt.

Mongeese did an interesting debate on the contender advantage. I forget his opponent. Orele? Anyway, check it out.

Yeah, it was with OreEle. The biggest mistake I made was probably instigating the debate where I argue that the Instigator has a disadvantage. :/
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2/15/2012 9:15:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I found a new unholy mess, courtesy de Libertycampbell

http://www.debate.org...

he outright votebombed the debate.
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2/15/2012 9:16:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 9:15:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
I found a new unholy mess, courtesy de Libertycampbell

http://www.debate.org...

he outright votebombed the debate.

also read historygenius's RFD,...and 16kadam's RFD.
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2/15/2012 9:17:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 9:15:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
I found a new unholy mess, courtesy de Libertycampbell

http://www.debate.org...

he outright votebombed the debate.

Lololol. Do you stalk my profile? It was obvious that I won that debate (although I performed rather poorly) and the only people who voted against me were Willoweed (troll), Teafood (troll), and Historygenius (Semi-troll).
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2/15/2012 9:18:09 PM
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NVM, Historygenius voted for me.
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2/15/2012 9:20:02 PM
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At 2/15/2012 9:16:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/15/2012 9:15:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
I found a new unholy mess, courtesy de Libertycampbell

http://www.debate.org...

he outright votebombed the debate.

also read historygenius's RFD,...and 16kadam's RFD.

You trying to get back at me for my counter against you, therefore making you lose the debate against Jimmy?

Grow some balls and take it like a man.
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2/15/2012 9:32:05 PM
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At 2/15/2012 8:25:29 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
16k did not vote bomb my debate. Wallstreetatheist provided a factually inaccurate and illogical RFD which I pointed out in the comments. Remember, just because an RFD is long does not mean that it is valid. Anybody with any sort of brains can realize that I did not have to prove the probability to be "1".

But, when questioned WSA was calm a responded to your outcry with

"I explicitly demonstrated my position. If you would like me to further detail the failure of your argumentation, I will continue at your leisure."

Most votebombers want to avoid any conflict or interaction with either debaters. He was going to explain his vote to you.
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2/15/2012 9:35:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/15/2012 9:32:05 PM, Cobo wrote:
At 2/15/2012 8:25:29 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
16k did not vote bomb my debate. Wallstreetatheist provided a factually inaccurate and illogical RFD which I pointed out in the comments. Remember, just because an RFD is long does not mean that it is valid. Anybody with any sort of brains can realize that I did not have to prove the probability to be "1".

But, when questioned WSA was calm a responded to your outcry with

"I explicitly demonstrated my position. If you would like me to further detail the failure of your argumentation, I will continue at your leisure."

Most votebombers want to avoid any conflict or interaction with either debaters. He was going to explain his vote to you.

He attempted to explain his vote of how we got to me proving the possibility of "1' but I rebutted that earlier on. His vote held no water in his last comment.
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