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What is a "votebomb"?

Microsuck
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2/19/2012 4:12:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
With the recent debates going around, I fee that we seriously need a set policy as to what constitutes a vote bomb. Here is what I include:

1) Voting all 7 points to one side without a justifiable reason.
2) Voting based upon bias.
3) Any vote that does not include a vote on best arguments.
4) Any vote that does not have a sufficient RFD.

I hereby petition that we make an official policy on what constitutes a votebomb. Likewise, I hereby petition that we require RFD on all debates.
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2/19/2012 5:14:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There is fundamental disagreement on how the term "votebomb" should be defined. I don't think it is realistic to bring the community to a consensus on the issue.

A votebomb is basically an unjustified vote. But when you try to get specific, like say "7 points to one member without justification" then all you do is create loopholes for someone to get around. When you try to include every specific criteria that can be reasonably applied in the definition, you pretty much find yourself describing every vote on DDO. And if you leave the definition as "an unjustified vote" then it is left so vague it becomes meaningless.

I think people need to understand that personal opinion is inevitable when voting on a debate. We can not claim someone is votebombing because their RFD wasn't long enough, and the members here have gotten way to carried away with countering everything they perceive as a votebomb. If people would just read the debates and give their honest votes, the votebombs will get drowned out naturally. But instead we focus on countering, and countering someone else's counter, and countering someone else's counters counter, that it turns out to be the real thought out and reasonably objective votes that get drowned out.
RoyLatham
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2/19/2012 8:01:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Urban dictionary has a pretty good definition:

vote bomb

v. the democratic hijacking of an open vote by a partisan group who have little interest in the issue at hand, other than publicizing their own cause.
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In the DDO context it is a vote on a debate based upon something other than than the arguments presented in the debate, such as the voter's strong feeling about one of the debaters or about the issue in general. It's usually, but not always, six or seven points for one side. An inadequate RFD does not make a vote a vote bomb, because the poor RFD might be the result of haste to meet a deadline or because the voter is poor at writing RFDs. However, a poor RFD is a reason to suspect a vote bomb.
BlackVoid
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2/20/2012 1:32:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I consider any poorly justified vote a votebomb. If someone just gives 3 points, with a one-line RFD that mentions nothing of arguments, I consider it a votebomb. So something like "Pro was more convincing overall and used better logic" is a votebomb.
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2/20/2012 1:42:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1) Voting all 7 points to one side without a justifiable reason.
2) Voting based upon bias.
3) Any vote that does not include a vote on best arguments.
4) Any vote that has a very poorly written RFD.
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2/20/2012 2:19:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 4:12:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
With the recent debates going around, I fee that we seriously need a set policy as to what constitutes a vote bomb. Here is what I include:

1) Voting all 7 points to one side without a reason.
Agreed.
2) Voting based upon bias.
Agreed.
3) Any vote that does not include a vote on best arguments.
Agreed to an extent.
4) Any vote that does not have a sufficient RFD.
Disagreed, it is subjective and awkward.

I hereby petition that we make an official policy on what constitutes a votebomb. Likewise, I hereby petition that we require RFD on all debates.

I will draft a policy up, I've suggested this multiple times myself, it is a good idea.
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2/20/2012 3:42:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 2:19:09 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 2/19/2012 4:12:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
With the recent debates going around, I fee that we seriously need a set policy as to what constitutes a vote bomb. Here is what I include:

1) Voting all 7 points to one side without a reason.
Agreed.
2) Voting based upon bias.
Agreed.
3) Any vote that does not include a vote on best arguments.
Agreed to an extent.
4) Any vote that does not have a sufficient RFD.
Disagreed, it is subjective and awkward.

I hereby petition that we make an official policy on what constitutes a votebomb. Likewise, I hereby petition that we require RFD on all debates.

I will draft a policy up, I've suggested this multiple times myself, it is a good idea.

Doesn't the site already require an rfd for all debates?
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2/20/2012 3:44:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 1:32:46 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
I consider any poorly justified vote a votebomb. If someone just gives 3 points, with a one-line RFD that mentions nothing of arguments, I consider it a votebomb. So something like "Pro was more convincing overall and used better logic" is a votebomb.

I agree with this one.
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