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I want a "Philosophy" category!

Charlie_Danger
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7/4/2009 12:01:55 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I'm reading a whole lot on philosophy for my next year of LD debate, and I realize that many topics in the "Society" forum center around philosophy, so why not make a new category?

And it will make a great place for all the LD Debates to be categorized under.
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7/4/2009 12:27:07 AM
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Philosophy as opposed to what?
What philosophy topic is not covered by the current forums?
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7/4/2009 12:34:37 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/4/2009 12:27:07 AM, Rezzealaux wrote:
Philosophy as opposed to what?
What philosophy topic is not covered by the current forums?

As opposed to not philosophy. It is such a broad category it shouldn't be forced into a sub/side category like "Society" or something.
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7/4/2009 12:58:49 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/4/2009 12:27:07 AM, Rezzealaux wrote:
Philosophy as opposed to what?
What philosophy topic is not covered by the current forums?

Science.
Ragnar_Rahl
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7/4/2009 2:39:31 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
science is one that IS covered.

Ethics (only some fall under society or religion, other ethical conceptions have little or nothing to do with them-- ranging from Kantian masturbation prohibition to Objectivist encouragement of finding the most efficient method to gather fish and coconuts if stuck on a desert island), metaphysics, epistemology, thems is the ones that ain't quite covered fully.
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7/4/2009 2:44:51 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I agree. People should be able to express their own philosophies without it being categorized as "Religion." Religion is NOT philosophy (though it contains some philosophy). We should have a place where we can talk about philosophers, philosophic concepts, literature, and discussion.

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7/4/2009 6:09:53 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/4/2009 2:39:31 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
science is one that IS covered.

Oops, read it wrong.

Ethics (only some fall under society or religion, other ethical conceptions have little or nothing to do with them-- ranging from Kantian masturbation prohibition to Objectivist encouragement of finding the most efficient method to gather fish and coconuts if stuck on a desert island), metaphysics, epistemology, thems is the ones that ain't quite covered fully.

I'm not sure how being an Objectivist makes you more able to be good at surviving in meager conditions :P.

That plus the fact that I think Kantian ethics has a more stable meta-ethical foundation than Objectivism.
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7/4/2009 8:48:28 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/4/2009 6:09:53 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
At 7/4/2009 2:39:31 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
science is one that IS covered.

Oops, read it wrong.

Ethics (only some fall under society or religion, other ethical conceptions have little or nothing to do with them-- ranging from Kantian masturbation prohibition to Objectivist encouragement of finding the most efficient method to gather fish and coconuts if stuck on a desert island), metaphysics, epistemology, thems is the ones that ain't quite covered fully.

I'm not sure how being an Objectivist makes you more able to be good at surviving in meager conditions :P.
Didn't say that. Said that part of the Objectivist ethics includes trying to be such when such is needed ^_^.


That plus the fact that I think Kantian ethics has a more stable meta-ethical foundation than Objectivism.
What meta-ethical foundation is that?

"do your duty?"

What duty? How did I acquire such a duty? Why would I care about it?
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7/4/2009 9:42:24 AM
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Didn't say that. Said that part of the Objectivist ethics includes trying to be such when such is needed ^_^.

Haha yeah, I was just kidding around.

That plus the fact that I think Kantian ethics has a more stable meta-ethical foundation than Objectivism.
What meta-ethical foundation is that?

"do your duty?"

What duty? How did I acquire such a duty? Why would I care about it?

The categorical imperative answers the first two questions - whether or not you take it to be valid is up to you :P

The last question I would say is a good criticism of all ethical systems, including Objectivism (if you meant what I think you meant).
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7/4/2009 10:06:47 AM
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That plus the fact that I think Kantian ethics has a more stable meta-ethical foundation than Objectivism.
What meta-ethical foundation is that?

"do your duty?"

What duty? How did I acquire such a duty? Why would I care about it?

The categorical imperative answers the first two questions - whether or not you take it to be valid is up to you :P
How does it answer them? It simply excludes things you can't want to be universalized. It does nothing about the things you can. I can and do universally will egoism, yet for some reason Kant claimed the imperative excluded that possibility. There are a number of other things I'm sure also consistent with the imperative. It has no means of differentiating which of these is actual duty.


The last question I would say is a good criticism of all ethical systems, including Objectivism (if you meant what I think you meant).
Objectivism holds that you already do care about your own interests or you wouldn't have lived long enough to be listening to an Objectivist, and makes no recommendations whatsoever if you don't. You don't need to provide a reason to convince someone to do what they already do, you just need a reason to tie what you're recommending as the only consistent option given what they already accept.

Accepting a "duty" is another thing entirely, unless Kant has some proof that I've already accepted it lawl.
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