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3/21/2012 12:19:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
greetings,

Stephen_Hawkins is my vice president for this upcoming election. Here is our platform.

Compilation:

1 - A continuation of instant banning of spammers, flamers, votebombers, and the like, but also the promotion of trials.

1a - Trials shall be promoted, and the scrutiny of the actions of highly popular users shall be seen, in order to promote the rights of the individual to question others.

1b - Furthermore, the promotion of the appointed defendants and prosecutors on this issue.

1d - However, noting that the voting system is not a good one for the judiciary to follow, and a selective (meaning from a pool of members that have stated they wish to participate) but random (we do not appoint the specific jury) jury selection proces would be better suited, and therefore use this system instead.

2 - The promotion of a relationship with the variation of debaters and debating sites, in order to create stronger ties and diversify the site.

2a - This shall be done by contacting the top debaters of other sites and asking them if they would be willing to do a debate on debate.org or another forum, then publicising the debate here in order to draw more members, and draw publicity. These major debates would initiate intelligent thought on issues, and increase the pool of truly amazing debates we have on this site. The possible targets to ask would be sites such as createdebate.com and onlinedebate.net

2b - In addition, more debates using specific rulesets, such as British Parliamentary and Lincoln-Douglas would become "official" to the sense that they shall be recognised and granted additional status. The instation of these debate types shall be discussed with Juggle to see their feasability, as well as ourselves, if in government, trying to come up with a system (with the help of other users) which involves no coding.

2c - Furthermore, there shall be official 'tournaments' set up every month or so in order to promote a stronger pool of debates.

3 - The Creation of a charter of DDO, which states basic rules of etiquette and behaviour.

3a - The charter shall be discussed and implemented by an agreement of a large proportion of the site. The charter shall be decided on by a large proportion of the site.

3b - The charter can be used to be hold other users responsible against it on certain actions. The charter alone cannot justify the permanent banning of any person.

4 - The intitiation of a President Question Time, of which the rules shall be discussed and agreed upon through bilateral negotiations between users and the government.

5 - Changing the Terms and Services, section T, which removes the right to free speech, for the following reasons:

a) It does not take into account context. A user (such as FREEDO) who posts about someone sarcastically, or for a joke, is still technically breaking this term.

b) The breaking of this term is accepted behaviour (by e.g. imabench, innomen, lordknukle), as it holds little to no real damage to the site. Accordingly, the site's Terms and Services should reflect that, in order for them to have worth and value.

6 - Reforming the Terms and Services to fit the current circumstance.

a) This shall be in the form of reviews of point T

b) Furthermore, a more general review in the T&S, as well as privacy policy.

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I am a web developer and a coder learning at my local vocational school. Consequently, I may be able to gain a good relationship with juggle and update this website (and it DESPERATELY needs updated!)
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3/21/2012 1:56:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
bump. Ask any questions you wish.
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3/21/2012 2:00:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
" The charter alone cannot justify the permanent banning of any person."
Then why have a charter if when people break it there are no ramifications?
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3/21/2012 2:08:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 12:19:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
greetings,

Stephen_Hawkins is my vice president for this upcoming election. Here is our platform.

Compilation:

1 - A continuation of instant banning of spammers, flamers, votebombers, and the like, but also the promotion of trials.

1a - Trials shall be promoted, and the scrutiny of the actions of highly popular users shall be seen, in order to promote the rights of the individual to question others.

What would your official stance and response be to users who grossly botch up these trials which you would promote as with this trial (by way of example, and not limitation) http://www.debate.org... ?

Specifically in regards to actions taken agains the prosecution, who typically represent the state and, thus, this website?
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3/21/2012 2:11:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 2:08:56 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/21/2012 12:19:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
greetings,

Stephen_Hawkins is my vice president for this upcoming election. Here is our platform.

Compilation:

1 - A continuation of instant banning of spammers, flamers, votebombers, and the like, but also the promotion of trials.

1a - Trials shall be promoted, and the scrutiny of the actions of highly popular users shall be seen, in order to promote the rights of the individual to question others.

What would your official stance and response be to users who grossly botch up these trials which you would promote as with this trial (by way of example, and not limitation) http://www.debate.org... ?

Specifically in regards to actions taken agains the prosecution, who typically represent the state and, thus, this website?

http://www.google.com...
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3/21/2012 3:56:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 2:08:56 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/21/2012 12:19:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
greetings,

Stephen_Hawkins is my vice president for this upcoming election. Here is our platform.

Compilation:

1 - A continuation of instant banning of spammers, flamers, votebombers, and the like, but also the promotion of trials.

1a - Trials shall be promoted, and the scrutiny of the actions of highly popular users shall be seen, in order to promote the rights of the individual to question others.

What would your official stance and response be to users who grossly botch up these trials which you would promote as with this trial (by way of example, and not limitation) http://www.debate.org... ?

Specifically in regards to actions taken agains the prosecution, who typically represent the state and, thus, this website?

Any prosecution done on behalf of the government shall be done through non-government prosecutors via a prosecutor account. All government defence shall be done through a defence account. All users may get representation from the judiciary, from either the prosecutor or defence account. However, a user does not need to use a prosecutor or defence account, and choose to represent themselves. However, they shall be warned, and reminded of previous events when this has happened. We maintain that the experience Microsuck suffered is something which needs to be learnt from, so we do not repeat history.

At 3/21/2012 2:00:00 PM, imabench wrote:
" The charter alone cannot justify the permanent banning of any person."
Then why have a charter if when people break it there are no ramifications?

The ramifications include anything from a formal warning in case of anything minor, circumstance, etc. to a banning of an account. However, permanent banning (hereby defined as banning a user repeatedly on sight, if they are of the same person as the original account) is not included on any breaking of the charter. Breaking of the Terms and Services will result in a permanent ban. The charter is not created in order to replace the Terms and Services, but compliment them.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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3/21/2012 4:05:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If government prosecution and defense are done by nongovernment individuals, where is the accountability? How can you prevent individuals from assuming an opposite position to deliberately forfeit a case?
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3/21/2012 4:08:26 PM
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Microsuck

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Fail...
Credentials far underqualified for this position.
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3/21/2012 4:11:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:05:33 PM, drafterman wrote:
If government prosecution and defense are done by nongovernment individuals, where is the accountability? How can you prevent individuals from assuming an opposite position to deliberately forfeit a case?

The judiciary shall request to be involved in the courts, and shall be accepted, if they meet the requirement that they have done enough debates of an intelligent standard. Prosecutors and defendants shall be chosen by those who they are representing, if they are willing to. They may choose two or three if there are enough who wish to represent. Any prosecutor or defendant who purposefully tries to distort the line of justice shall be removed of all powers, or possible banned from their account. This shall probably be added to the charter as well, thank you for asking this question. This is a learning process for myself as well, and we are going to try and be as receptive to what people want.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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3/21/2012 4:11:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Microsuck

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Fail...
Credentials far underqualified for this position.

actually he was Kohai and the Mr. Infidel so he has ben her for 2-3 years. fail on ur part.
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3/21/2012 4:13:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:11:37 PM, Viper-King wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Microsuck

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Fail...
Credentials far underqualified for this position.

actually he was Kohai and the Mr. Infidel so he has ben her for 2-3 years. fail on ur part.

Please ask questions, not make statements. This is a prime example. You may have missed something out, or forgotten something, or not know some vital information. Ask "How do you reconcile..." or "Can you justify..." if you need to.
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3/21/2012 4:14:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Microsuck

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Fail...
Credentials far underqualified for this position.
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3/21/2012 4:17:55 PM
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Can Microsuck himself justify why he routinely shuts down and creates new accounts every couple of months?
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3/21/2012 4:21:05 PM
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If you're smart enough to know you have no chance of winning, then there's clearly an ulterior motive behind running anyway.

ex. For Jimtimmy and 16kadam's,..it's attention.

What's your justification of all this?
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3/21/2012 4:22:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:11:13 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:05:33 PM, drafterman wrote:
If government prosecution and defense are done by nongovernment individuals, where is the accountability? How can you prevent individuals from assuming an opposite position to deliberately forfeit a case?

The judiciary shall request to be involved in the courts, and shall be accepted, if they meet the requirement that they have done enough debates of an intelligent standard. Prosecutors and defendants shall be chosen by those who they are representing, if they are willing to. They may choose two or three if there are enough who wish to represent. Any prosecutor or defendant who purposefully tries to distort the line of justice shall be removed of all powers, or possible banned from their account. This shall probably be added to the charter as well, thank you for asking this question. This is a learning process for myself as well, and we are going to try and be as receptive to what people want.

Who would choose the prosecution/defense on behalf of the government?
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3/21/2012 4:28:20 PM
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Do you support or disapprove of the notion of trying to have DDO Primaries 2 months prior to elections?
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3/21/2012 4:29:07 PM
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I'm really interested as Steven has made DDO so much better and Kohai/Mr. Infidel/Microsuck is a huge part of this society. The question is can a couple of kids really communicate well with Juggle and represent DDO? Also didn't Kohai get banned? Why was he banned? Also Micro messed up the trial badly, if he can't handle a trial, can he handle a huge website.
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3/21/2012 4:31:26 PM
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How can we trust Microsuck to not use his alleged "programming" abilities to not manipulate DDO to get rid of those he doesnt like or distrusts?
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3/21/2012 4:33:21 PM
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Can Microsuck provide any evidence showing that he is responsible enough to handle DDO?
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3/21/2012 4:33:59 PM
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No....

Seriously, WTF is the point of anyone else running?

We all know that the only people that are really gonna contend with each other, is DK and Thad.
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3/21/2012 4:34:25 PM
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At 3/21/2012 4:11:37 PM, Viper-King wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Microsuck

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Fail...
Credentials far underqualified for this position.

actually he was Kohai and the Mr. Infidel so he has ben her for 2-3 years. fail on ur part.

1. This hasn't been established yet

2. It's still fail to go through 3 profiles. Why can't he maintain one profile for an extended time?

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3/21/2012 4:35:01 PM
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How does Microsuck plan to efficiently run DDO when Microsuck has school in the mornings and Steven is living in England where the Time Zone differences could cause him to be sound asleep at the busiest times of the day for DDO?
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3/21/2012 4:36:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:34:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:11:37 PM, Viper-King wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Microsuck

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Fail...
Credentials far underqualified for this position.

actually he was Kohai and the Mr. Infidel so he has ben her for 2-3 years. fail on ur part.

1. This hasn't been established yet

yes, it has


2. It's still fail to go through 3 profiles. Why can't he maintain one profile for an extended time?

It is






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3/21/2012 4:37:33 PM
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At 3/21/2012 4:34:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:11:37 PM, Viper-King wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:08:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Microsuck

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Fail...
Credentials far underqualified for this position.

actually he was Kohai and the Mr. Infidel so he has ben her for 2-3 years. fail on ur part.

1. This hasn't been established yet
This has been established. He said so in his other campaign thread.
2. It's still fail to go through 3 profiles. Why can't he maintain one profile for an extended time?
Not really. Kohai was banned so he became Mr. Infidel. But he didn't know how to change his name because his name had something to do with religion so he didn't like religion since he became an athiest so he deactivated and became Microsuck because he likes science now.




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3/21/2012 4:37:40 PM
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Can microsuck explain why he shut down his account twice within a few hours immediately after botching a very important trial?
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3/21/2012 4:38:50 PM
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At 3/21/2012 4:15:36 PM, Viper-King wrote:
How do you think that you young students can run a huge site like this?

We don't. Juggle runs the technical parts of the site, but we are simply here to help enforce the opinions of the site and push it in a direction that we, as the community of DDO, want it to go.

Moreover, why is age a limiting factor? All else being equal, age has no impact on the ability to develop legislature and keep the site running as such a finely tuned machine. Because of this, we feel that dismissing us for our age seems a terribly unfair of looking at our policies. Judge us by our policies, not the age of the people behind them.
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3/21/2012 4:38:57 PM
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Can microsuck explain why immediately after the trial he left the site and tried to get innomen to calm down DDO for his screw up rather than hone up to his mistakes and actually be accountable for his actions?
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