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ChristianM
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7/10/2009 7:37:27 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
This is the official Debate.org Tournament of Champions confirmation page. Here you (the first poster) will simply repost the list below minus your name. The second poster will then reply & quote the first poster while removing his or her name.

Next, underneath your quoted list, please vote on which areas of concern/topics you would like.

The tournament will be single elimination. The way the bracket will be made is by taking the percentile of one contestant who is the highest, and matching it with the lowest one. For instance, theLwerd with a 99th percentile, the highest one in the tourn. will go up against, mtgandp with 56th percentile, the lowest, in the first round. (That was just an example i dont know your real percentages) I hope this is clear and understandable. If you have questions, please feel free to private message me, I have turned it back on. Also, I may have some competitors judge :P.

The following topics are up for grabs for round 1. Tell me which ones you like the best and I will assign topics.

#1: The War in Iraq
#2: Domestic Affairs
#3: Foreign Affairs
#4: Economic
#5: Religious
#6: Gay Marriage
#7: Finance
#8: Pop Culture
#9: Environmental

GOOD LUCK!
Usaf
ChristianM
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7/10/2009 7:40:04 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
mongeese
mongoose
leet4A1
TheSkeptic
rougeagent21
theLwerd
wjmelements
alto2osu
Logical-Master
Kleptin
InquireTruth
JBlake
pcmbrown
MTGandP
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7/10/2009 7:48:07 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
mongeese
mongoose
leet4A1
TheSkeptic
rougeagent21
theLwerd
wjmelements
alto2osu
Logical-Master
Kleptin
InquireTruth
JBlake
pcmbrown

The topics given don't have a very broad range. I personally like LD-style topics better. Of the given topics, I suppose I like environmental best, though I like moral issues a lot better. Examples of moral issues: abortion in the first two trimesters of pregnancy is morally permissible; It is morally permissible to kill one person to save the lives of more innocent people; Military conscription is unjust. I like pretty much any LD topic or similar topic.
ChristianM
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7/10/2009 8:11:57 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/10/2009 7:40:04 PM, usafkid1121 wrote:
mongeese
mongoose
leet4A1
TheSkeptic
rougeagent21
theLwerd
alto2osu
Logical-Master
Kleptin
InquireTruth
JBlake
pcmbrown
MTGandP

Ill take wjm signing up for judging as a conf.
MTGandP
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7/10/2009 9:45:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/10/2009 8:11:57 PM, usafkid1121 wrote:
At 7/10/2009 7:40:04 PM, usafkid1121 wrote:
mongeese
mongoose
leet4A1
TheSkeptic
rougeagent21
theLwerd
alto2osu
Logical-Master
Kleptin
InquireTruth
JBlake
pcmbrown
MTGandP

Ill take wjm signing up for judging as a conf.

You forgot to take me off.

mongeese
mongoose
leet4A1
TheSkeptic
rougeagent21
theLwerd
alto2osu
Logical-Master
Kleptin
InquireTruth
JBlake
pcmbrown
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7/11/2009 2:53:48 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
confirming, also, doesnt kleptin have the highest percentile?
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alto2osu
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7/11/2009 8:36:05 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I veto gay marriage and pop culture on my own behalf. Other than that, it'll probably do.

I kind of liked the idea of double elims (just because of my experience with competitive debate), but since the entries seems to have dwindled, single elim seems more appropriate.
Volkov
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7/11/2009 10:25:18 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/11/2009 10:19:22 AM, mongeese wrote:
How about Affirmative Action slipped in? Would that be under domestic issues?

Depends how you argue it. Would you argue based on the social qualms of AA, or the economic? If social, I think domestic affairs is the best, if economic, then obviously economics.
MTGandP
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7/11/2009 2:32:35 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
mongoose
leet4A1
rougeagent21
theLwerd
Logical-Master
Kleptin
InquireTruth
JBlake

List fixed. (I'm taking alto's and mongeese's posts as confirmation.)
ChristianM
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7/11/2009 2:43:17 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/11/2009 2:53:48 AM, pcmbrown wrote:
confirming, also, doesnt kleptin have the highest percentile?

" For instance, theLwerd with a 99th percentile, the highest one in the tourn. will go up against, mtgandp with 56th percentile, the lowest, in the first round. (That was just an example i dont know your real percentages)"

LURK MOAR!!!
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wjmelements
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7/11/2009 2:46:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
#1: The War in Iraq
I don't have an opinion. Isn't it over now anyways?
#2: Domestic Affairs
Sure. Why not.
#3: Foreign Affairs
This could mean many things, but I don't really care about specific issues. If we were to debate general foreign policy, then sure.
#4: Economic
VERY yes.
#5: Religious
Definitely.
#6: Gay Marriage
If the perspective that government should have no part in religious institutions in the first place is taken into account, then sure.
#7: Finance
I'm not sure what this means, but it sounds okay.
#8: Pop Culture
I'd rather not, but this should be okay for the first elimination round.
#9: Environmental
Sure.
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Volkov
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7/11/2009 2:51:01 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
As an observer, I'd change "The War in Iraq" to "The War in Afghanistan," as it seems to be the more pressing issue these days. This of course depends upon whether or not you're going to argue about the justification for going into Iraq, or about the current state of affairs.

Also, why is "Finance" a category when you have "Economy" as well?
ChristianM
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7/11/2009 2:58:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Finance is differenmt from the US economy. For example, an economic debate may have to do with the stock exchange or the Bailout. Finance is stuff about finance.
Like this debate would be finance:
http://www.debate.org...

and this one would be economic:
Resolved: The US economy will stabilize in the next 2 years.
MTGandP
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7/11/2009 3:13:34 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/11/2009 2:58:45 PM, usafkid1121 wrote:
Finance is differenmt from the US economy. For example, an economic debate may have to do with the stock exchange or the Bailout. Finance is stuff about finance.
Like this debate would be finance:
http://www.debate.org...

and this one would be economic:
Resolved: The US economy will stabilize in the next 2 years.

But still, the categories are very limited. Other possible categories:

Morality/Ethics
Politics
Philosophy
Science
Education

I like all of these better than any of the current categories. I would appreciate an expansion of topics.
ChristianM
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7/11/2009 3:35:05 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/10/2009 7:37:27 PM, usafkid1121 wrote:
This is the official Debate.org Tournament of Champions confirmation page. Here you (the first poster) will simply repost the list below minus your name. The second poster will then reply & quote the first poster while removing his or her name.

Next, underneath your quoted list, please vote on which areas of concern/topics you would like.

The tournament will be single elimination. The way the bracket will be made is by taking the percentile of one contestant who is the highest, and matching it with the lowest one. For instance, theLwerd with a 99th percentile, the highest one in the tourn. will go up against, mtgandp with 56th percentile, the lowest, in the first round. (That was just an example i dont know your real percentages) I hope this is clear and understandable. If you have questions, please feel free to private message me, I have turned it back on. Also, I may have some competitors judge :P.

The following topics are up for grabs for round 1. Tell me which ones you like the best and I will assign topics.

#1: The War in Iraq
#2: Domestic Affairs
#3: Foreign Affairs
#4: Economic
#5: Religious
#6: Gay Marriage
#7: Finance
#8: Pop Culture
#9: Environmental
#10: Justice
#11: Education
#12: Science
#13: Technology
#14: Morals
All topics will be in LD resolution format.

Like:
Resolved: blah blah blah
TheSkeptic
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7/11/2009 3:56:40 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Morality/Ethics
Politics
Philosophy
Science
Education

I like all of these better than any of the current categories. I would appreciate an expansion of topics.

Ethics and Politics are both subcategories of Philosophy. So by saying "Philosophy" as it's own category, I'm assuming you mean other issues in philosophy besides ethics and politics?

At 7/11/2009 3:21:26 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
LD-esque topics, that is: morals, ethics, justice, etc.

Those all are synonymous :)
MTGandP
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7/11/2009 5:24:23 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/11/2009 3:56:40 PM, TheSkeptic wrote:
Ethics and Politics are both subcategories of Philosophy. So by saying "Philosophy" as it's own category, I'm assuming you mean other issues in philosophy besides ethics and politics?

Essentially, yes. I figured that ethics and politics were broad enough to have their own category.
wjmelements
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7/11/2009 5:26:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I don't think the subject of the debates should be anything too contraversial though. A new topic would force new arguments and would establish the better debater.

Example of a "virgin" topic:
A proper scientific test of hard determinism could be designed and conducted.
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mongeese
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7/11/2009 5:33:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
However, if we discover that for every debate on the topic, PRO or CON always wins, we'll have discovered that it is impossible to defend a certain position, and we'll have eliminated half the people based on luck.
Cody_Franklin
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7/11/2009 5:39:26 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/11/2009 3:56:40 PM, TheSkeptic wrote:
Morality/Ethics
Politics
Philosophy
Science
Education

I like all of these better than any of the current categories. I would appreciate an expansion of topics.

Ethics and Politics are both subcategories of Philosophy. So by saying "Philosophy" as it's own category, I'm assuming you mean other issues in philosophy besides ethics and politics?

At 7/11/2009 3:21:26 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
LD-esque topics, that is: morals, ethics, justice, etc.

Those all are synonymous :)

Morals and ethics are semi-synonymous; justice and morality are definitely not synonymous, though.
MTGandP
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7/11/2009 5:44:02 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/11/2009 5:26:32 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I don't think the subject of the debates should be anything too contraversial though. A new topic would force new arguments and would establish the better debater.

Example of a "virgin" topic:
A proper scientific test of hard determinism could be designed and conducted.

Using a new topic is a good idea. Perhaps we could debate one or more of the new LD topics that haven't been used yet.
TheSkeptic
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7/11/2009 6:02:34 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Morals and ethics are semi-synonymous; justice and morality are definitely not synonymous, though.

They twirl around the same concept: ethics. Philosophically speaking, morals and ethics mean the same thing. To carry out justice, one utilizes an ethical standard.
Puck
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7/11/2009 6:08:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/11/2009 6:03:00 PM, TheSkeptic wrote:
Why don't we have topics relating to philosophy of mind?

I see what you did thar. :D

Ideally, for those participants that sign up to the tournament, should nominate 3 topics for debate from which one is chosen.
MTGandP
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7/11/2009 8:09:08 PM
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At 7/11/2009 6:08:08 PM, Puck wrote:
Ideally, for those participants that sign up to the tournament, should nominate 3 topics for debate from which one is chosen.

Good idea. It may work better for everyone to nominate 3 topics and then just choose the best out of the whole pool, in case someone nominated 3 bad topics. Also, there should be one less topic than than person.
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7/11/2009 8:14:43 PM
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At 7/11/2009 6:08:08 PM, Puck wrote:
Ideally, for those participants that sign up to the tournament, should nominate 3 topics for debate from which one is chosen.

Good idea. It may work better for everyone to nominate 3 topics and then just choose the best out of the whole pool; that way, there are more options.