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4/3/2012 4:21:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Extended Code of Conduct for Debate.org (DDO)

1. Definitions

1.1 Terms of Use. The rules agreed to by members as a condition of membership, given at http://www.debate.org....... Sometimes referred to as terms of service [TOS].

1.2 Trolling. Use of inflammatory language, personal attacks, or extreme and unsupported claims aimed at provoking emotional response rather than debate.

1.3 Vote bombing. Abuse of DDO voting privileges by awarding points to a debater for reasons unrelated to the arguments or evidence presented in the debate.

1.4 Moderator. A person granted authority by the site owners to enforce the rule of the site.

2. Scope

2.1 If there is any conflict between this document and the Terms of Use, the Terms of Use takes precedence.

2.2 This document establishes trolling and vote bombing as offenses punishable by a Moderator or through trial.

2.3 This document establishes the procedures for holding trials of members in cases where violations of the rules as judged by a Moderator are for any reason unclear. Trials are at the sole discretion of a Moderator, and the provision of the Terms of Use whereby members may lose membership privileges is unchanged.

2.4 The Moderator retains the ability to remove a member or restrict privileges without benefit of a trial.

3. Warnings

3.1 The Moderator shall issue warnings to members upon observing patterns of their apparent trolling or vote bombing. The forum post, debate, or debate comment exhibiting the offense shall be cited in the warning. The member may choose to respond with a defense of the behavior.

3.2 The warning shall advise the member that repeating the offense may result in loss of membership privileges.

3.3 If an offense is repeated after the member has received a relevant warning, the member may be subjected to, at the option of the Moderator, revocation of membership privileges or subjecting the member to DDO trial.

4. Trials

4.1 The member shall be notified in advance of the trial.

4.2 The Moderator shall appoint a prosecution team.

4.3 The accused member may select a defense team or request that the Moderator solicit a defense team.

4.4 The Moderator shall establish accounts for prosecution and defense for the trial, which will be conducted as a DDO debate. The trial debate shall be four rounds of 8000 characters with a three day response period. The voting period shall be two weeks.

4.5 The Prosecution shall prepare charges and post the charges with links to supporting evidence as a challenge to the Defense. No new charges or evidence of offenses may be introduced after the challenge. The Prosecution may, however, post additional evidence in rebuttal to defense claims.

4.6 All members having voting privileges may vote on the trial debate.

4.6.1 At the option of the Moderator, the Moderator may appoint a jury prior to the start of the trial and announce that the verdict will be determined by the vote of the jurors alone. If a jury is appointed there shall be either three, five, or seven jurors. Each juror shall have participated in at least ten debates. The jury may consider the membership vote in making their decision, but are not bound by it.

4.6.2 The standard for voting for the Prosecution is that the charges have been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. A reasonable doubt is not any doubt, but rather the doubt that a reasonable person would have given the evidence of the trial.

4.6.3 Voters shall be instructed in the Prosecutors' R1 that they may vote up to all seven votes for the prosecution or the defense.

4.6.4 Voters finding the defendant guilty may use the RFD to recommend a suspension of privileges rather than permanent loss, and they shall be advised of this by the Prosecutors in R1.

4.6.5 The Moderator shall comply with the result of the trial. If a guilty verdict is found, the Moderator shall select the level of punishment.

4.6.6 The Moderator shall act as judge in ruling upon trial procedures.
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4/3/2012 4:26:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Background: This code of conduct was not created by me, but rather commissioned by me. I chose three members of the site that are both respected and divergent in their views. They worked together to create this, and I had very little if any input. The three members were: Wnope, RoyLatham, and Unitedandy.

One or more of the authors will be available for comment or questions.

Thank you.

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4/3/2012 5:24:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 4:21:29 AM, innomen wrote:
1.2 Trolling. Use of inflammatory language, personal attacks, or extreme and unsupported claims aimed at provoking emotional response rather than debate.

Innomen's a dicktator.
1.4 Moderator.
see: dictator

2. Scope

2.1 If there is any conflict between this document and the Terms of Use, the Terms of Use takes precedence.
I thought the "terms of use" were (when juggle first came here) to be thrown out and re-written? o.O

oh, but of course we can't say that... Dictator's need some body of law to cite to support their rampages..

2.2 This document establishes trolling and vote bombing as offenses punishable by a Moderator or through trial.

See... by a moderator or trial.. Hedging his bets.. not quite willing to give over his Dicktatorial absolute control.

2.3 This document establishes the procedures for holding trials of members in cases where violations of the rules as judged by a Moderator are for any reason unclear. Trials are at the sole discretion of a Moderator, and the provision of the Terms of Use whereby members may lose membership privileges is unchanged.

Terms of Use was essentially disowned by the site owners when they first came here..

Why are we still talking about them?

President's done so much! 8)

2.4 The Moderator retains the ability to remove a member or restrict privileges without benefit of a trial.

Of Course!

3. Warnings

3.1 The Moderator shall issue warnings to members upon observing patterns of their apparent trolling or vote bombing. The forum post, debate, or debate comment exhibiting the offense shall be cited in the warning. The member may choose to respond with a defense of the behavior.

You're a dummy ;)

3.2 the moderator..
3.3 the moderator...
3.4 the moderator...
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4/3/2012 5:26:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 5:24:57 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
2.1 If there is any conflict between this document and the Terms of Use, the Terms of Use takes precedence.
I thought the "terms of use" were (when juggle first came here) to be thrown out and re-written? o.O

Democratically I might add..

Not by the Dictator and his self-appointed counsel.
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Metaphysics:
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4/3/2012 5:32:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 5:26:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/3/2012 5:24:57 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
2.1 If there is any conflict between this document and the Terms of Use, the Terms of Use takes precedence.
I thought the "terms of use" were (when juggle first came here) to be thrown out and re-written? o.O

Democratically I might add..

Not by the Dictator and his self-appointed counsel.
He was elected by the majority, and there was no agreement that he had to make every decision by asking the community for approval.

Good job with the CoC.
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4/3/2012 5:40:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
oh, someone's gotta give him hell for it..

Dicktators should always get hell.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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4/3/2012 5:52:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 4:21:29 AM, innomen wrote:
Extended Code of Conduct for Debate.org (DDO)

1. Definitions

1.1 Terms of Use. The rules agreed to by members as a condition of membership, given at http://www.debate.org....... Sometimes referred to as terms of service [TOS].

1.2 Trolling. Use of inflammatory language, personal attacks, or extreme and unsupported claims aimed at provoking emotional response rather than debate.

The moment that inferno gets back, within the hour he will have broken this statement multiple times. How will one react to this? Further, how does one evaluate the intention of a post?

1.3 Vote bombing. Abuse of DDO voting privileges by awarding points to a debater for reasons unrelated to the arguments or evidence presented in the debate.

1.4 Moderator. A person granted authority by the site owners to enforce the rule of the site.

2. Scope

2.1 If there is any conflict between this document and the Terms of Use, the Terms of Use takes precedence.

2.2 This document establishes trolling and vote bombing as offenses punishable by a Moderator or through trial.

2.3 This document establishes the procedures for holding trials of members in cases where violations of the rules as judged by a Moderator are for any reason unclear. Trials are at the sole discretion of a Moderator, and the provision of the Terms of Use whereby members may lose membership privileges is unchanged.

2.4 The Moderator retains the ability to remove a member or restrict privileges without benefit of a trial.

3. Warnings

3.1 The Moderator shall issue warnings to members upon observing patterns of their apparent trolling or vote bombing. The forum post, debate, or debate comment exhibiting the offense shall be cited in the warning. The member may choose to respond with a defense of the behavior.

3.2 The warning shall advise the member that repeating the offense may result in loss of membership privileges.

3.3 If an offense is repeated after the member has received a relevant warning, the member may be subjected to, at the option of the Moderator, revocation of membership privileges or subjecting the member to DDO trial.

4. Trials

4.1 The member shall be notified in advance of the trial.

4.2 The Moderator shall appoint a prosecution team.

4.3 The accused member may select a defense team or request that the Moderator solicit a defense team.

4.4 The Moderator shall establish accounts for prosecution and defense for the trial, which will be conducted as a DDO debate. The trial debate shall be four rounds of 8000 characters with a three day response period. The voting period shall be two weeks.

4.5 The Prosecution shall prepare charges and post the charges with links to supporting evidence as a challenge to the Defense. No new charges or evidence of offenses may be introduced after the challenge. The Prosecution may, however, post additional evidence in rebuttal to defense claims.

4.6 All members having voting privileges may vote on the trial debate.

4.6.1 At the option of the Moderator, the Moderator may appoint a jury prior to the start of the trial and announce that the verdict will be determined by the vote of the jurors alone. If a jury is appointed there shall be either three, five, or seven jurors. Each juror shall have participated in at least ten debates. The jury may consider the membership vote in making their decision, but are not bound by it.

4.6.2 The standard for voting for the Prosecution is that the charges have been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. A reasonable doubt is not any doubt, but rather the doubt that a reasonable person would have given the evidence of the trial.

4.6.3 Voters shall be instructed in the Prosecutors' R1 that they may vote up to all seven votes for the prosecution or the defense.

4.6.4 Voters finding the defendant guilty may use the RFD to recommend a suspension of privileges rather than permanent loss, and they shall be advised of this by the Prosecutors in R1.

4.6.5 The Moderator shall comply with the result of the trial. If a guilty verdict is found, the Moderator shall select the level of punishment.

4.6.6 The Moderator shall act as judge in ruling upon trial procedures.

Who calls one to court? Who can call another to trial?
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4/3/2012 5:58:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 5:52:08 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Who calls one to court? Who can call another to trial?

3.3 If an offense is repeated after the member has received a relevant warning, the member may be subjected to, at the option of the Moderator, revocation of membership privileges or subjecting the member to DDO trial.
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4/3/2012 5:59:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
also, mirza..

The hat that I was really complaining about was his "moderator" one.. Though that's not to say I think his 'presidency' has been very fruitful for the people here ;)

And, as President Innomen has already stated.. his continued Moderatorship is not dependent upon his being the Elected president... it's a position given to him by the Supreme Leaders.. and, his continuation in his role as site Dicktator, can only be taken away at their discretion.. for their reasons.

This development of an all-powerful, Law-giver, Law-interpreter, Law-enforcer, Site Dicktator Position is out of sync with the picture that the people of Juggle initially had for how this site would run.

They're the one's who suggested we re-write the TOS democratically..
Perhaps it's easier/cheaper for them to just have innomen run the site.. but Innomen's not pushing to do so even as democratically as the Juggle-Gods were suggesting.. He's taking all the power they made available to him.. and Instead of Being a George Washington.. He seems Quite Content to Play the King!
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4/3/2012 6:01:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 5:58:09 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/3/2012 5:52:08 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Who calls one to court? Who can call another to trial?

3.3 If an offense is repeated after the member has received a relevant warning, the member may be subjected to, at the option of the Moderator, revocation of membership privileges or subjecting the member to DDO trial.

OK, I meant is there an opportunity for other users to call users to trial. I see that moderators can as well (and thanks for pointing out that rule). Does this mean that a user cannot bring another user to trial?
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4/3/2012 6:17:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 6:01:08 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
OK, I meant is there an opportunity for other users to call users to trial.

Just tell your benevolent dictator about it.. He'll take care of you and everyone else.

He'll know what to do... Trial or no trial..
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4/3/2012 6:55:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 6:17:17 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/3/2012 6:01:08 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
OK, I meant is there an opportunity for other users to call users to trial.

Just tell your benevolent dictator about it.. He'll take care of you and everyone else.

He'll know what to do... Trial or no trial..

true, true...

Would our benevolent dictator be willing to participate with an interview with myself and Viper-King (whose now helping me with interviews), as well as any of those commissioned to write the extended terms?
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4/3/2012 7:32:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 5:40:35 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
oh, someone's gotta give him hell for it..

Dicktators should always get hell.

I suppose if you ever get to own your own home and you make your own rules for your own home, we should all give you hell because you are the dicktator of your own home.

There's a difference between a "dicktator" and private ownership.
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4/3/2012 7:37:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 7:32:17 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
I'm a dirty fascist

yeah, I know..

But innomen doesn't own the site.. he's a Governor of it...

Initially the owners said that the "laws" and government of the site would take a democratic turn... Instead they copped out and let innomen be in charge..

He's not fostered this Democratic idea.. and instead is happy sitting on the power they gave him.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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4/3/2012 7:44:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 7:37:38 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/3/2012 7:32:17 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
I'm a dirty fascist

yeah, I know..

But innomen doesn't own the site.. he's a Governor of it...

Initially the owners said that the "laws" and government of the site would take a democratic turn... Instead they copped out and let innomen be in charge..

granted, he had been elected..

But, as he's made all-too clear.. his position of actual importance is not one that's to be decided by elections.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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4/3/2012 7:53:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 7:37:38 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/3/2012 7:32:17 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Mattrodstrom can't figure out the difference between private ownership and fascism.

yeah, I know..

Glad you know.


But innomen doesn't own the site.. he's a Governor of it...

Actually, he's more of a police chief. Juggle always has final say if they choose to do so.


Initially the owners said that the "laws" and government of the site would take a democratic turn... Instead they copped out and let innomen be in charge..

And they would have. However, people simply thought that the old rules were gone and as long as they never voted on new rules, then they could have no rules. Juggle would still likely support the members making the rules is they could be mature about it.


He's not fostered this Democratic idea.. and instead is happy sitting on the power they gave him.

Right, all the people he's banned in the middle of the night. All the thousands of posts that he's silenced. All the public trials that he has refused to hold and just makes his own decision.
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4/3/2012 8:07:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 7:53:54 AM, DirtyFascist wrote:
Right

Glad you agree 8)

I'll write up some proposals for Terms of Service/Code of Conduct later... and I think we should hold a vote for them...

Then we can push for Juggle to agree.

I'm making a thread for it... Please everyone feel free to add proposed additions..
http://www.debate.org...

Maybe Orele you could do set up one of those poll sites to count votes ;)
Thanks buddy
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4/3/2012 8:21:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
More rules...that sucks..
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4/3/2012 8:32:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 8:21:55 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
More rules...that sucks..

Doesn't it though!
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4/3/2012 1:30:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The link to the Terms of Use is http://www.debate.org... It is relevant because it s a legally binding contract to which every member subscribed as a condition of membership. it stands until it is replaced.

Moderators act as agents of the owners and derive their authority from that. It's common, nearly universal, for owners to use agents. For example, lawyers and security guards are agents.

Membership in DDO is completely voluntary, so comparisons to a dictatorship are unfounded. If anyone doesn't like the rules, they are free to leave. There is nothing unusual about free associations in which there are governing rules.

I think that a felt need to attack others without any bounds is a sign of immaturity, with the main purpose to draw attention to oneself. There are plenty of places on the web where that is allowed. the problem for abusers is that if everybody is like-minded, it doesn't serve to draw attention to oneself so the need for attention is not met. It's only fulfilling if there are people who don't want to play he abuse game are around to abuse.

A debate site ought to be about debate, not about acting out immature fantasies. Allowing abuse chases away people who want to debate and don't want to play the insult game. I know of specific case where that has happeed, but it's likely that many in the dormant membership are turned off. A debate site that alienates debaters is not going to be a success.
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4/3/2012 1:34:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 6:55:46 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:

Would our benevolent dictator be willing to participate with an interview with myself and Viper-King (whose now helping me with interviews), as well as any of those commissioned to write the extended terms?

I helped write the extended terms. I'll answer questions if you like.
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4/3/2012 1:48:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 5:52:08 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
1.2 Trolling. Use of inflammatory language, personal attacks, or extreme and unsupported claims aimed at provoking emotional response rather than debate.

The moment that inferno gets back, within the hour he will have broken this statement multiple times. How will one react to this? Further, how does one evaluate the intention of a post?

I don't know about inferno. Anyone can contact the moderator with concerns about trolling. Examples should be cited. Report individual posts that contain personal attacks, insults, or threats.

This is a debate site, so people can be expected to know the difference between a logical arguments, built from reasonable premises and evidence, and empty attacks and insults. If someone new to the site doesn't know the difference, there is a provision to warn them that they have to learn the difference. It's really not difficult to understand, so people who claim not to know the difference are mainly being disingenuous. Still, I think they should be told to shape up before they are booted.

Innomen is enormously patient. The members who are acting out are very smart, and they know exactly what they are doing. The "Oh, gee, was I trolling?" thing is not credible. All that's required is to shut off the abusive stuff for the time they are on DDO.
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4/3/2012 3:00:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 1:30:34 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
I think that a felt need to attack others without any bounds is a sign of immaturity, with the main purpose to draw attention to oneself. There are plenty of places on the web where that is allowed. the problem for abusers is that if everybody is like-minded, it doesn't serve to draw attention to oneself so the need for attention is not met. It's only fulfilling if there are people who don't want to play he abuse game are around to abuse.

ok... so I might be trolling just a little.. 8)

but I do think there are more important things for a representative of DDO users to do than be an agent of juggle.

Namely.... for one example... getting the wholesale surrender of intellectual property rights done away with.
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4/3/2012 3:25:29 PM
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I don't like this idea that somehow unpopular opinions (aka "extreme") are trolling. That's nonsense. Do you want us all to be rank and file Liberals and Conservatives, typical Atheists and fundamental Christians?

And it's especially people who are conspiracists that get labelled as having "extreme" views. Well we think your status quo ideas are even more extreme so why not let all views have equal weight abd not label them trolls.
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4/3/2012 3:34:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 3:25:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I don't like this idea that somehow unpopular opinions (aka "extreme") are trolling. That's nonsense. Do you want us all to be rank and file Liberals and Conservatives, typical Atheists and fundamental Christians?

And it's especially people who are conspiracists that get labelled as having "extreme" views. Well we think your status quo ideas are even more extreme so why not let all views have equal weight abd not label them trolls.

Edit: Views. I don't believe in opinions. Opinions are for favorite flavors, preferences, and what you think is the best.
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4/3/2012 5:06:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 3:25:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I don't like this idea that somehow unpopular opinions (aka "extreme") are trolling. That's nonsense. Do you want us all to be rank and file Liberals and Conservatives, typical Atheists and fundamental Christians?

And it's especially people who are conspiracists that get labelled as having "extreme" views. Well we think your status quo ideas are even more extreme so why not let all views have equal weight abd not label them trolls.

No, the problem is not with extreme views that are presented as arguments supported with evidence. That's not trolling. Trolling includes "extreme and unsupported claims aimed at provoking emotional response rather than debate." That's three criteria: (1) extreme, (2) unsupported, and (3) intended to provoke an emotional response. So, for example, "Lawn fairies are ready to attack. Anyone who doesn't see it is a ****ing idiot." is trolling because it's extreme, no evidence is given, and the gratuitous insult shows clear intent to provoke an emotional response.

Trolling can be done compactly with "All <group> are <insult>." without evidence supporting the generality.
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4/3/2012 5:41:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
In the words of Huey Freeman "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?"

Moderators can be a dictatorial as they want. It's a private site.

But Inno voluntarily created a mechanism for DDO members to regulate each other as opposed to wildly swinging the banhammer in the manner we would expect from a "dictator."

Not only that, but Inno left the make-up of the trial system to DDO members. He could easily have rigged the system or simply said "screw trials" but he didn't. Roy, Unite, and I are entirely responsible for how that document is framed.

And the reaction is "DIKTATOR! HUR HUR!"

A dictator would never have given us the chance to use a trial system.

A dictator would feel no need to explicitly state his rationales and would feel no need to explain seemingly arbitrary acts.

A dictator would have written the document HIMSELF instead of leaving it to three appointed members (Inno picked us partially because we recommended each other, not that Inno had all three of us in mind to begin with).

I dare you to name a debate forum website where the moderator has done something even remotely as egalitarian as the trial system.
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4/3/2012 5:45:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 3:25:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I don't like this idea that somehow unpopular opinions (aka "extreme") are trolling. That's nonsense. Do you want us all to be rank and file Liberals and Conservatives, typical Atheists and fundamental Christians?

And it's especially people who are conspiracists that get labelled as having "extreme" views. Well we think your status quo ideas are even more extreme so why not let all views have equal weight abd not label them trolls.

Users were banned for trolling before the code was put it. This codifies an existing practice.

Giving an opinion is not trolling. Trolling has to do with intending to elicit a certain emotional reaction for the purposes of gaining attention.

"The holocaust didn't happen" isn't trolling. However, if the person refuses to write anything other than "holocaust didn't happen" again and again and again, it's trolling.
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4/3/2012 5:46:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/3/2012 6:55:46 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 4/3/2012 6:17:17 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/3/2012 6:01:08 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
OK, I meant is there an opportunity for other users to call users to trial.

Just tell your benevolent dictator about it.. He'll take care of you and everyone else.

He'll know what to do... Trial or no trial..

true, true...

Would our benevolent dictator be willing to participate with an interview with myself and Viper-King (whose now helping me with interviews), as well as any of those commissioned to write the extended terms?

I'm also available for interview.