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4/5/2012 9:22:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Poll:

http://poll.pollcode.com...

F.O.P. = Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva

-Is one of the most disabling genetic conditions known to man

-In this disease, a mutation of a single gene causes sporadic and unnecessary bone growth in muscle mass throughout the body. In essence, the patient begins growing a second skeleton.

http://www.bing.com...

Estimated 2500 cases worldwide
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4/5/2012 9:22:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:22:06 PM, Contra wrote:
Poll:

http://poll.pollcode.com...

F.O.P. = Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva

-Is one of the most disabling genetic conditions known to man

-In this disease, a mutation of a single gene causes sporadic and unnecessary bone growth in muscle mass throughout the body. In essence, the patient begins growing a second skeleton.

http://www.bing.com...

Estimated 2500 cases worldwide

Stop trying to bias the poll. That disease, by the way, is a result of mutations. Individuals with the disease do not naturally reproduce in the first place.
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4/5/2012 9:23:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Can I hear a resounding "HELL NO!!!!!!"?
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4/5/2012 9:23:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:22:52 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:22:06 PM, Contra wrote:
Poll:

http://poll.pollcode.com...

F.O.P. = Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva

-Is one of the most disabling genetic conditions known to man

-In this disease, a mutation of a single gene causes sporadic and unnecessary bone growth in muscle mass throughout the body. In essence, the patient begins growing a second skeleton.

http://www.bing.com...

Estimated 2500 cases worldwide

Stop trying to bias the poll. That disease, by the way, is a result of mutations. Individuals with the disease do not naturally reproduce in the first place.

So, your justification is that it is a personal choice, and that most people with FOP won't reproduce right?
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/5/2012 9:24:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:23:38 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Is this the disease that causes the skeleton to fuse together or whatever?

Yes
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/5/2012 9:24:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This poll is wrong anyways. I cannot emphasize the fact that the disease is a result of mutations in gametes and that it is not passed down between generations.
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4/5/2012 9:24:27 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:23:49 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:22:52 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:22:06 PM, Contra wrote:
Poll:

http://poll.pollcode.com...

F.O.P. = Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva

-Is one of the most disabling genetic conditions known to man

-In this disease, a mutation of a single gene causes sporadic and unnecessary bone growth in muscle mass throughout the body. In essence, the patient begins growing a second skeleton.

http://www.bing.com...

Estimated 2500 cases worldwide

Stop trying to bias the poll. That disease, by the way, is a result of mutations. Individuals with the disease do not naturally reproduce in the first place.

So, your justification is that it is a personal choice, and that most people with FOP won't reproduce right?

Bingo
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4/5/2012 9:25:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:23:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Can I hear a resounding "HELL NO!!!!!!"?

HELL NO!!!!!

Can I get a witness?!
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4/5/2012 9:26:23 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:24:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
This poll is wrong anyways. I cannot emphasize the fact that the disease is a result of mutations in gametes and that it is not passed down between generations.

The mutation will have affected the sperm/ eggs, and therefore would be passed on likely to any offspring.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/5/2012 9:27:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:25:16 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:23:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Can I hear a resounding "HELL NO!!!!!!"?

HELL NO!!!!!

Can I get a witness?!

(what's the proper response here?)

But Hell no to reproductive regulation!!!!
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4/5/2012 9:27:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:26:23 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:24:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
This poll is wrong anyways. I cannot emphasize the fact that the disease is a result of mutations in gametes and that it is not passed down between generations.

The mutation will have affected the sperm/ eggs, and therefore would be passed on likely to any offspring.

So, are you going to have normal people's gametes screened before they mate? Because, quite literally, the disease occurs in mutations in the gametes of regular individuals.
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4/5/2012 9:27:44 PM
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Seriously?! 3 people voted yes?!
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4/5/2012 9:28:04 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:27:19 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:25:16 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:23:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Can I hear a resounding "HELL NO!!!!!!"?

HELL NO!!!!!

Can I get a witness?!

(what's the proper response here?)

But Hell no to reproductive regulation!!!!

You are at your 1,999th post
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/5/2012 9:28:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:26:23 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:24:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
This poll is wrong anyways. I cannot emphasize the fact that the disease is a result of mutations in gametes and that it is not passed down between generations.

The mutation will have affected the sperm/ eggs, and therefore would be passed on likely to any offspring.

*facepalm*

Most of the time, they can't even reproduce with this disease.

And second, why should we give the government this power, and were in the constitution does it allow it?
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4/5/2012 9:29:07 PM
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If the child is ASSURED death and suffering through this reckless reproduction, then it should be a federal crime for anyone with that disease to reproduce. Bringing a person into the world to suffer and die is at par with murder and torture. I don't see what distinction the rightists have in their heads.
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4/5/2012 9:29:30 PM
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Until relatively recently, the government could tell you whether or not you were allowed to buy contraceptives (see Griswold) and whether you were allowed to take a woman across state lines in order to have sex (Mann Act).

Even after Griswold v Connecticut, the big trial to give a right to marital privacy, the government was still allowed to ban NON-MARRIED COUPLES from buying contraceptives.

Until around the 1940s, it was permissible to sterilize people who have committed multiple crimes (see Skinner v Oklahoma) without permission or consent.

Ironically, the Supreme Court never said after Skinner you CAN'T sterilize criminals. Instead, it violated the 14th amendment because white-collar crimes weren't included as counting towards sterilizing.
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4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM
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Liberals really make me sick sometimes.
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4/5/2012 9:31:11 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:28:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:26:23 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:24:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
This poll is wrong anyways. I cannot emphasize the fact that the disease is a result of mutations in gametes and that it is not passed down between generations.

The mutation will have affected the sperm/ eggs, and therefore would be passed on likely to any offspring.

*facepalm*

Most of the time, they can't even reproduce with this disease.

This^
And second, why should we give the government this power, and were in the constitution does it allow it?
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4/5/2012 9:31:40 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:29:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
If the child is ASSURED death and suffering through this reckless reproduction, then it should be a federal crime for anyone with that disease to reproduce. Bringing a person into the world to suffer and die is at par with murder and torture. I don't see what distinction the rightists have in their heads.

FOP basically assures death - most die because their lungs cannot move enough to get enough air after the disease has progressed long enough.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/5/2012 9:32:02 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Liberals really make me sick sometimes.

I don't even see that as a liberal thing. It just seems fascist.
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4/5/2012 9:32:18 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Liberals really make me sick sometimes.

You're nothing but an implantation of biases and knee jerk reactions to EVERYTHING. Do you ever stop for once in your life and actually take a critical look at the things you believe?

Of course not.
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4/5/2012 9:32:59 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:31:40 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:29:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
If the child is ASSURED death and suffering through this reckless reproduction, then it should be a federal crime for anyone with that disease to reproduce. Bringing a person into the world to suffer and die is at par with murder and torture. I don't see what distinction the rightists have in their heads.

FOP basically assures death - most die because their lungs cannot move enough to get enough air after the disease has progressed long enough.

Ok then, because there is a chance for basically anyone that reproduces with someone else that some horrible disease will come out of it, we should sterilize everyone, but its for the children!

Really, it is!
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4/5/2012 9:33:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:32:02 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Liberals really make me sick sometimes.

I don't even see that as a liberal thing. It just seems fascist.

If the child is ASSURED death and suffering through this reckless reproduction, then it should be a federal crime for anyone with that disease to reproduce. Bringing a person into the world to suffer and die is at par with murder and torture. What's the difference Oryus?
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4/5/2012 9:33:20 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Liberals really make me sick sometimes.

This isn't a liberal issue.

On the contrary, I believe my position would be more conservative, since I support regulating somebody's private organs (wow- I never expected myself to say that).

No, we wouldn't scan people's gametes, but if a person has FOP, they could be banned from having children.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/5/2012 9:33:30 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Liberals really make me sick sometimes.

This has nothing to do with being liberal. This is just plain fascist.

And yes, liberals do make me sick sometimes. That's why I am Communist.
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4/5/2012 9:34:07 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:32:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:31:40 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:29:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
If the child is ASSURED death and suffering through this reckless reproduction, then it should be a federal crime for anyone with that disease to reproduce. Bringing a person into the world to suffer and die is at par with murder and torture. I don't see what distinction the rightists have in their heads.

FOP basically assures death - most die because their lungs cannot move enough to get enough air after the disease has progressed long enough.

Ok then, because there is a chance for basically anyone that reproduces with someone else that some horrible disease will come out of it, we should sterilize everyone, but its for the children!

Really, it is!

You couldn't sterilize the children, FOP has no cure.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/5/2012 9:34:21 PM
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At 4/5/2012 9:32:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Liberals really make me sick sometimes.

You're nothing but an implantation of biases and knee jerk reactions to EVERYTHING. Do you ever stop for once in your life and actually take a critical look at the things you believe?

Of course not.

You and Contra support this completely Facist, and ver Hitler-esque idea.

Perhaps not liberals, but people like you make me sick sometimes would be a better statement?
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4/5/2012 9:34:46 PM
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No.

I advocate no social programs so if that person is brought into the world, I will not be tasked with taking care of him (via taxes). Therefore, I couldn't care less if they reproduce.

In other words, I believe that people should have their own choice but I will not be responsible for their choice.
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4/5/2012 9:34:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/5/2012 9:33:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:32:02 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:30:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Liberals really make me sick sometimes.

I don't even see that as a liberal thing. It just seems fascist.

If the child is ASSURED death and suffering through this reckless reproduction, then it should be a federal crime for anyone with that disease to reproduce. Bringing a person into the world to suffer and die is at par with murder and torture. What's the difference Oryus?

At 4/5/2012 9:27:44 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:26:23 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/5/2012 9:24:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
This poll is wrong anyways. I cannot emphasize the fact that the disease is a result of mutations in gametes and that it is not passed down between generations.

The mutation will have affected the sperm/ eggs, and therefore would be passed on likely to any offspring.

So, are you going to have normal people's gametes screened before they mate? Because, quite literally, the disease occurs in mutations in the gametes of regular individuals.
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