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4/21/2012 7:01:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is the current platform of myself and RoyalPaladin.

1 - A continuation of instant banning of spammers, flamers, votebombers, and the like, but also the promotion of trials.

1a - Trials shall be promoted, and the scrutiny of the actions of highly popular users shall be seen, in order to promote the rights of the individual to question others.

1b - Furthermore, the promotion of the appointed defendants and prosecutors on this issue.

1d - However, noting that the voting system is not a good one for the judiciary to follow, and a selective (meaning from a pool of members that have stated they wish to participate) but random (we do not appoint the specific jury) jury selection proces would be better suited, and therefore use this system instead.

2 - The promotion of a relationship with the variation of debaters and debating sites, in order to create stronger ties and diversify the site.

2a - This shall be done by contacting the top debaters of other sites and asking them if they would be willing to do a debate on debate.org or another forum, then publicising the debate here in order to draw more members, and draw publicity. These major debates would initiate intelligent thought on issues, and increase the pool of truly amazing debates we have on this site. The possible targets to ask would be sites such as createdebate.com and onlinedebate.net

2b - In addition, more debates using specific rulesets, such as British Parliamentary and Lincoln-Douglas would become "official" to the sense that they shall be recognised and granted additional status. The instation of these debate types shall be discussed with Juggle to see their feasability, as well as ourselves, if in government, trying to come up with a system (with the help of other users) which involves no coding.

2c - Furthermore, there shall be official 'tournaments' set up every month or so in order to promote a stronger pool of debates.

3 - The Creation of a charter of DDO, which states basic rules of etiquette and behaviour. This has been somewhat achieved with the Code of Conduct, but the actual Code shall recieve an enhancement to be more specific with court proceedings, but specifically with a formalised accessible electoral system.

3a - The charter shall be discussed and implemented by an agreement of a large proportion of the site. The charter shall be decided on by a proportion of the site.

3b - The charter can be used to be hold other users responsible against it on certain actions. The charter alone cannot justify the permanent banning of any person.

4 - The intitiation of a President Question Time, of which the rules shall be discussed and agreed upon through bilateral negotiations between users and the government.

5 - Changing the Terms and Services, section T, which removes the right to free speech, for the following reasons:

a) It does not take into account context. A user (such as FREEDO) who posts about someone sarcastically, or for a joke, is still technically breaking this term.

b) The breaking of this term is accepted behaviour (by e.g. imabench, innomen, lordknukle), as it holds little to no real damage to the site. Accordingly, the site's Terms and Services should reflect that, in order for them to have worth and value.

6 - Reforming the Terms and Services to fit the current circumstance.

a) This shall be in the form of reviews of point T

b) Furthermore, a more general review in the T&S, as well as privacy policy.

7 - The initialisation of a tutelage system.

a) The system shall consist of tutors or coaches, formed from a voluntary basis of the successful debaters of the site. These debaters may volunteer to take on one or more students to advise them on how to debate, debating advice generally, and any help needed.

b) 'Successful' debaters consist of those who have at least half their debates and more than 10 debates. (this does not secure a position, nor is it a necessary requirement in rare circumstance).

8 - If one is proven to have 'vote bombed' in a debate, then punishments shall fit the crime, as it were, by the temporary removal of voting privelages.

9 - Sanctioning the debateorg.blogspot.com / DDOBlog as the official news-o-meter for the site's politics.

a) The DDOBlog also may house political, philosophical and theological works, as well as the best debates.

If there are any questions about this platform, please ask them. If one wishes to simply criticise a point, please make clear the criticism (in other words, constructive), so the grievance may be addressed or policy reformed. Thank you for reading.
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4/22/2012 12:25:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I have finally found my candidates!
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Stephen_Hawkins
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4/22/2012 4:22:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
lol: we are trying to make our platform more evident and accesssible.
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4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.
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4/22/2012 2:33:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.

. :(
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4/22/2012 2:34:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:33:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.

. :(

Sorry, but I really don't want two teens running the site.
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Stephen_Hawkins
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4/22/2012 2:38:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.

If we accept the polls, then 16kadams supposedly has the support of the large majority of everyone.
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4/22/2012 2:38:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:34:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:33:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.

. :(

Sorry, but I really don't want two teens running the site.

its a teen and an adult
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4/22/2012 2:39:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:38:17 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.

If we accept the polls, then 16kadams supposedly has the support of the large majority of everyone.

Wait what?!?! :DDDDDD
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4/22/2012 2:39:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
To be honest, I would like to see your VP actually post in the forums...
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4/22/2012 2:41:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:39:31 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
To be honest, I would like to see your VP actually post in the forums...

Freeman? He posts occasionally.
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4/22/2012 2:44:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It would be nice if he posted on your actual campaign...
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4/22/2012 2:45:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:44:43 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It would be nice if he posted on your actual campaign...

Has he even accepted yet?
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4/22/2012 2:46:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:45:54 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:44:43 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It would be nice if he posted on your actual campaign...

Has he even accepted yet?

yeah
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4/22/2012 2:48:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:38:17 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.

If we accept the polls, then 16kadams supposedly has the support of the large majority of everyone.

If it were the actual election people would come out and vote, but this is just a primary or something it doesnt mean anything.
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4/22/2012 2:52:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 2:48:11 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:38:17 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 4/22/2012 2:32:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hmm, evidently, no one cares.

;P

Just saying, i fail to see your point in running, everyone knows it will be either DK/imabecnh or Thad/TV. God forbid its Adams, but he has a significantly higher chance than you.

If we accept the polls, then 16kadams supposedly has the support of the large majority of everyone.

If it were the actual election people would come out and vote, but this is just a primary or something it doesnt mean anything.

When do we post results, because VK's mom stole his computer
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4/22/2012 3:44:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I wonder when freeman will actually post regarding elections...
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4/22/2012 3:47:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 3:44:54 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
I wonder when freeman will actually post regarding elections...

He will eventually
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4/22/2012 4:11:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 4:11:06 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
I doubt that, but fine.

lol
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4/23/2012 3:55:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This thread needs some proper discussion.

As a debater, I fully support your proposal to formalize tournaments. I have several questions relating to the topic, quite naturally of course.

1. Who will be running the tournaments? Who decides who can enter? How will resolutions be determined?

2. Will there be a system implemented to keep track of tournament results and rank players? Perhaps an elo system of sorts where we can separate competitive, high-level debates from silly, trollish debates?

And on a related note:

3. How do you plan on solving for current voting problems regarding the inactivity of voters and voter bias, both in tournaments and in general.
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
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4/23/2012 4:16:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 3:55:36 PM, Mestari wrote:
This thread needs some proper discussion.

As a debater, I fully support your proposal to formalize tournaments. I have several questions relating to the topic, quite naturally of course.

1. Who will be running the tournaments? Who decides who can enter? How will resolutions be determined?

Each tournament shall have its own specific twist, of course, in order to keep things original. For example, some shall be "choose your own topic", others "open resolutions", others specific boundaries of questions, others specific resolutions. An example would be:

Open resolution: "Whoop Whoop, that's the sound of the police!" - in which a resolution is formulated based on an interpretation of that statement.

A specific boundary: "War" - could be philosophy (does the just war theory succeed?) or economics (the Iraq War was economically sound) or politics (the Iraq War is justified) or even literary (War is an overused literary device among modern literature).

The tournaments would be, in general, "open tournaments"; that is, anyone can join. There would be the occasional "veteran tournament" alongside a "newbie tournament", where the newest and best debate.

2. Will there be a system implemented to keep track of tournament results and rank players? Perhaps an elo system of sorts where we can separate competitive, high-level debates from silly, trollish debates?

The ELO system for debating would be incredibly difficult to do. I know that Ore_Ele has a way of calculating ELO, and it would be best to ask him on the subject.

And on a related note:

3. How do you plan on solving for current voting problems regarding the inactivity of voters and voter bias, both in tournaments and in general.

Voter inactivity and voter bias is certainly a serious issue: when people do not vote on debates, it becomes a major problem, especially as the best debates become buried easily.

To combat this, firstly I promote the idea of having "voting groups" where people vote for other people's debates. This is the way that voting is improved, especially among members. To combat the voting bias, those who sign up would be randomly grouped with others who can help voting. However, regarding voter bias, it is a difficult issue to stop and track.

The solution would be two-fold: firstly, we need to educate the newer members on how to vote. The creation of a "rules document", stating simply how to vote, would work towards this. An expansion of the debating help tutorial sections is the first step. In addition, the creation of the tutelage system would allow more people to learn about how to vote fairly.

Secondly, we need to be "tough on crime, tough on causes of crime". Those who votebomb need to be brought to trial over what they have done, and specifically reprimanded for votebombing. A warning stating to remove a votebomb firstly, and if someone does not comply, they shall be brought to trial, if not banned outright.

I hope that has cleared up these issues. Please post if I have not covered something adequately.
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4/23/2012 4:26:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
On the topic of voting groups. Would you care to give more details? hat is the purpose of random groupings? How does it hold voters accountable if they have no obligation to vote fairly? What are your thoughts on my proposed method of increasing voter activity?

As for voter bias: My question is directed more at inherent bias and closed-mindedness than blatant vote bombs. How do you get debaters, under your system, to either set aside their beliefs, or not vote on debates they cannot be impartial with.
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
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4/23/2012 4:39:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 4:26:00 PM, Mestari wrote:
On the topic of voting groups. Would you care to give more details? hat is the purpose of random groupings? How does it hold voters accountable if they have no obligation to vote fairly? What are your thoughts on my proposed method of increasing voter activity?

Voter activity is something that is incredibly hard to promote through a single method: it cannot be forced onto others, as people become disinterested and leave, as well as become disillusioned with the site. It cannot be purely voluntary, though, as it would be the exact situation we have now. I feel that if we create voting groups where people inside the groups vote on each others debates, then the group will self sustain, as they post debates to each other for voting. The groups will be formed if they debate a similar issue frequently (as in, politics), but not all of the same ideology. This should help people vote on their own debates, as, when they realise that if they vote on other's debates they get votes themselves, people gain incentive to read other intelligent arguments and vote on them, while people vote on their own.

If people vote unfairly in the groups, then they are vote bombing, which would fall under the next section.

The tally system seems like an interesting idea, especially seeing as these 'tickets' can be used for near bragging rights. If people use them within groups, this sounds like a good solution. I would suggest the equivalent of a "tally" instead of the "tickets" system, as a tally would be easier to track, I would say. However, I am yet to discuss this issue much with my VP.

As for voter bias: My question is directed more at inherent bias and closed-mindedness than blatant vote bombs. How do you get debaters, under your system, to either set aside their beliefs, or not vote on debates they cannot be impartial with.

Firstly, I feel there is an inherent idea to this system that debaters cannot be completely impartial when voting. I feel that, while it is true that there are situations where a debate is so perfectly argued by both sides that it comes to personal opinions, these are extremely few and far between, and impossible to be voted on with perfect impartiality. The major problems with vote bombing is when someone clearly votes along a specific party line to get someone more points. This issue is specifically tacked by being "tough on crime".

"Tough on causes of crime" is to address the underlying problems of when someone allows personal opinion to cloud judgement. This is a problem which is best tackled through education. Usually, someone means well, but simply fails to maintain a constantly critical eye through the entire debate. Anyone who has done formal debating is helped massively through assistance in voting, but this help has not been translated onto this site. RoyalPaladin and I plan to make sure that education of proper voting and good techniques is put onto the site, in order to stop inherent bias from taking a dominant role.
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4/23/2012 6:47:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 4:26:00 PM, Mestari wrote:
On the topic of voting groups. Would you care to give more details? hat is the purpose of random groupings? How does it hold voters accountable if they have no obligation to vote fairly? What are your thoughts on my proposed method of increasing voter activity?

As for voter bias: My question is directed more at inherent bias and closed-mindedness than blatant vote bombs. How do you get debaters, under your system, to either set aside their beliefs, or not vote on debates they cannot be impartial with.

One solution that I would recommend is hosting an "opposing viewpoints" tourney. Essentially, we would take hot-button issues and ask debaters to argue for the side they disagree This may help reduce close-mindedness because it allows them to learn to evaluate the opposing positions fairly.