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Is Your Freedom of Speech Threatened on DDO?

royalpaladin
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4/22/2012 5:41:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A certain candidate has argued that innomen's policies harm freedom of speech on this website. Do you think that innomen is violating your right to free speech (let's ignore the fact that Juggle doesn't have to give you free speech on this site because it is private property).
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4/22/2012 5:42:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
oh lord
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4/22/2012 5:43:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:42:11 PM, imabench wrote:
oh lord

I think this question needs to be addressed. This is exactly like JT's "DDO Elite" nonsense. This trolling needs to end.
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4/22/2012 5:45:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
alright then, your thread...
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

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4/22/2012 5:46:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
imabenches pictures on abortion where deleted
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4/22/2012 5:47:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Cuss words are often deleted (that part of the TOS must be changed)
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4/22/2012 5:47:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:46:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
imabenches pictures on abortion where deleted

yea because to some people they were emotionally taxing.
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4/22/2012 5:48:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:47:57 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:46:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
imabenches pictures on abortion where deleted

yea because to some people they were emotionally taxing.

Not all needed to be deleted
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4/22/2012 5:48:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:46:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
imabenches pictures on abortion where deleted

i deleted them myself...
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.
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4/22/2012 5:49:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
it turns out that the pictures you have in albums that you use in debates need to stay in that album before the debate ends otherwise no pictures come up.... I learned that on accident...
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.
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4/22/2012 5:49:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:46:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
imabenches pictures on abortion where deleted

Imabench just said that he deleted them himself, so your only example is a sham.
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4/22/2012 5:50:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.

why ought we have freedom of speech?
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4/22/2012 5:51:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:49:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:46:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
imabenches pictures on abortion where deleted

Imabench just said that he deleted them himself, so your only example is a sham.

I had another. I posted it too.
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4/22/2012 5:51:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If the worst things getting deleted are cuss words and pics (which weren't deleted by the admin mind you) we do have freedom of speech. Give us an example.
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4/22/2012 5:52:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:50:33 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.

why ought we have freedom of speech?

Why not? I think on a debate site people being able to post what they think is essential.
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royalpaladin
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4/22/2012 5:52:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:47:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Cuss words are often deleted (that part of the TOS must be changed)

That's not innomen's decision. That is juggle's decision. Moreover, it's a good thing that cuss words are deleted. This is a debate site, not the Stormfront Headquarters. Good arguments should be made without swear words.
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4/22/2012 5:52:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
gtg sorry!
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4/22/2012 5:53:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:52:02 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:50:33 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.

why ought we have freedom of speech?

Why not? I think on a debate site people being able to post what they think is essential.

didnt you report people's IP addresses for messing with you under your name on a poll?
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
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4/22/2012 5:53:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:50:33 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.

why ought we have freedom of speech?

We don't, but DDO should have a general policy of openness to discuss and talk about what we want, because its fun.

Dropping f bombs and writing pornographic debates don't add any value and harmful to the site and should be removed.
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4/22/2012 5:53:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:53:16 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:52:02 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:50:33 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.

why ought we have freedom of speech?

Why not? I think on a debate site people being able to post what they think is essential.

didnt you report people's IP addresses for messing with you under your name on a poll?

+1
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4/22/2012 5:53:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:52:02 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:50:33 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.

why ought we have freedom of speech?

Why not? I think on a debate site people being able to post what they think is essential.

So basically you believe a person should be able to post detailed schematics of how to build a dirty bomb and where to place it in Washington DC in order to destroy the city? To some that could be essential. This site really is not all that regulated.

Besides there are several Supreme Court Cases regulating Freedom of Speech.
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4/22/2012 5:54:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:53:31 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:50:33 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:49:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

I agree, but what we ought to have and what we can have are two different things.

why ought we have freedom of speech?

We don't, but DDO should have a general policy of openness to discuss and talk about what we want, because its fun.

Dropping f bombs and writing pornographic debates don't add any value and harmful to the site and should be removed.

This
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4/22/2012 5:54:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I've been able to say everything I've ever wanted to on this site, and perhaps some things I shouldn't have.

Furthermore, membership on this site is a privilege and not a 'right', and it's certainly not a 'right' to be able to abuse it.
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4/22/2012 5:58:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:54:21 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I've been able to say everything I've ever wanted to on this site, and perhaps some things I shouldn't have.

Furthermore, membership on this site is a privilege and not a 'right', and it's certainly not a 'right' to be able to abuse it.

+1
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

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4/22/2012 6:19:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

Cliche nonsense that we all heard before. You're missing the point.
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4/22/2012 6:20:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/22/2012 6:19:38 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/22/2012 5:48:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Also, we DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THIS IS A PRIVATE WEBSITE RUN BY A CORPORATION!!!! THEY CAN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS THEY WANT.

Cliche nonsense that we all heard before. You're missing the point.

Okay you tell me two things, 1) why should we have freedom of speech? 2) how exactly is this "right" being infringed upon?
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4/22/2012 6:24:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ultimately, our accounts here are owned by Juggle. They can do whatever they want with them. Delete them, censor them, place restrictions on them, etc. Juggle is simply allowing us to use a portion of their server space for our own use.
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4/22/2012 6:27:20 PM
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At 4/22/2012 6:24:29 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Ultimately, our accounts here are owned by Juggle. They can do whatever they want with them. Delete them, censor them, place restrictions on them, etc. Juggle is simply allowing us to use a portion of their server space for our own use.

But why would they want to? It's pointless
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