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tvellalott
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4/23/2012 7:09:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Lol, it has come to my attention that there is some private discussion (skulduggery) going on in regards to my policy on askbob, to say the least. *winks*

So let me explain to you how I view the situation...
I got into contact with askbob after hearing about him from other members. I was planning on building a mafia wiki and was told askbob had been involved in the previous one and though he was banned, he was the man to talk to. This was in the day when Phil still owned the site.
We emailed back and forth and he told me what we needed, which I provided. During that time, Juggle bought the site and askbob was unbanned by popular demand.
Now, apart from the revealing of personal information and contacting people personally without their consent, I don't think anyone can argue that askbob wasn't a valid and valuable member of the community. He is a great contributor to the Economics section (given his personal career) and to the mafia community, as well has participating in upper-tier quality debates and discussion.

I spoke to askbob via facebook moments ago and asked whether he would agree never to reveal personal information or contact anyone without their consent if he were somehow able to came back. He agreed completely; the reason he resorted to such vigilante action is because we didn't have a moderator... now we do, so there is no reason for him to 'take matters into his own hands' any more.

The most important thing in my mind is that ultimately, it comes down to Juggle. If they don't want him unbanned, then he won't be unbanned. Full stop. Furthermore, if the people of the site don't want him unbanned, they should use this space to explain why my reasoning is wrong and I'm open to discussion, otherwise stfu with your "we CAN'T let tv get elected or he'll unban askbob, herr herr".

Tl;dr: If it were up to me, I would unban askbob now, with the condition that if his vigilante behaviour sparked up again, he would be well and truly banned for good.
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4/23/2012 7:11:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hm.....I sorta agreed with you.

It just seems like from what I know and have read, he has gotten several second chances.
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4/23/2012 7:13:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
For the record, not much gets past me on this site and I'm highly amused people who resort to a smear campaign and think I wouldn't hear about it.

To the people involved: I'm disappointed. :'(
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4/23/2012 7:16:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:11:55 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Hm.....I sorta agreed with you.

It just seems like from what I know and have read, he has gotten several second chances.

Well I'm appealing for one more chance.
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4/23/2012 7:18:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Are you aware that he returned to the site a few weeks ago under the name "bobington" and spent hours trolling and insulting people?
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4/23/2012 7:20:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:18:48 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Are you aware that he returned to the site a few weeks ago under the name "bobington" and spent hours trolling and insulting people?

Are we sure it was him?
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4/23/2012 7:21:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
How can you be sure that this "real" ban if he began trolling again would be a real one?
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4/23/2012 7:21:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:18:48 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Are you aware that he returned to the site a few weeks ago under the name "bobington" and spent hours trolling and insulting people?

No, I wasn't.
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4/23/2012 7:22:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:21:01 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
How can you be sure that this "real" ban if he began trolling again would be a real one?

Yeah, this is my real issue. When are we gonna stop giving him second chances?
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4/23/2012 7:22:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:21:01 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
How can you be sure that this "real" ban if he began trolling again would be a real one?

The administrators have the ability to leave notes on people's profile. If he messes up again, he can be marked as "NEVER TO BE UNBANNED, ALL ALTERNATIVE ACCOUNTS TO BE BANNED INSTANTLY".
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4/23/2012 7:24:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:20:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:18:48 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Are you aware that he returned to the site a few weeks ago under the name "bobington" and spent hours trolling and insulting people?

Are we sure it was him?

Yes. we are sure it was him. I chatted with him, and can say I know for a fact it was him. I even tried to be friendly, and he pretty much replied as expected, by mostly being a jerk.
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4/23/2012 7:27:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
From what I've heard from innomen, apparently he vowed to clean up his act even afterward, and then proceeded to continue his @ssholery.
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4/23/2012 7:28:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
In light of him coming back to troll and be a jerk (which I didn't know) I will not try to have him unbanned.
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4/23/2012 7:29:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
That other account was just him doing a quick scare. I truely believe he'll be a respected member if we give him his other account back.
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4/23/2012 7:29:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:24:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:20:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:18:48 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Are you aware that he returned to the site a few weeks ago under the name "bobington" and spent hours trolling and insulting people?

Are we sure it was him?

Yes. we are sure it was him. I chatted with him, and can say I know for a fact it was him. I even tried to be friendly, and he pretty much replied as expected, by mostly being a jerk.

So, it was completely confirmed?

Cause, if it was, then why the hell are we gonna give this guy a second chance?
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4/23/2012 7:29:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:28:43 PM, tvellalott wrote:
In light of him coming back to troll and be a jerk (which I didn't know) I will not try to have him unbanned.

Good.

I don't think he was particularly a bad person, but his behavior has not reflected well.
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4/23/2012 7:30:32 PM
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At 4/23/2012 7:29:00 PM, Koopin wrote:
That other account was just him doing a quick scare. I truely believe he'll be a respected member if we give him his other account back.

Again: when do the second chances stop?
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4/23/2012 7:31:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:29:00 PM, Koopin wrote:
That other account was just him doing a quick scare. I truely believe he'll be a respected member if we give him his other account back.

The more I think about it, the surer I am that he can't help himself and will eventually begin his antics again... If I fight for him to get unbanned and he fvcks up again, I'm going to look like a fool and I don't want that.
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4/23/2012 7:31:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:25:47 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Having read all of that, I see absolutely no reason why he should be un-banned.

Im sorry TV, but I would have to agree with Apollo. Despite never actually having met him, accessing peoples personal information and then effectively "stalking"(calling up their phone, vigilante justice if you will) should alone be sufficient reasoning for a permanent ban.

And if you are correct TV he was banned multiple times before the very last one? Sounds to me like he was given enough chances.
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4/23/2012 7:32:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:31:20 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:29:00 PM, Koopin wrote:
That other account was just him doing a quick scare. I truely believe he'll be a respected member if we give him his other account back.

The more I think about it, the surer I am that he can't help himself and will eventually begin his antics again... If I fight for him to get unbanned and he fvcks up again, I'm going to look like a fool and I don't want that.

That's basically what innomen said--that it's just in askbob's nature to act the way he has.
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4/23/2012 7:32:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:30:32 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:29:00 PM, Koopin wrote:
That other account was just him doing a quick scare. I truely believe he'll be a respected member if we give him his other account back.

Again: when do the second chances stop?

His ban was long, serves a good punishment. He was with this site for a long time, I just think we should give him the chance to redeem himself.
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4/23/2012 7:34:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:32:43 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:30:32 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:29:00 PM, Koopin wrote:
That other account was just him doing a quick scare. I truely believe he'll be a respected member if we give him his other account back.

Again: when do the second chances stop?

His ban was long, serves a good punishment. He was with this site for a long time, I just think we should give him the chance to redeem himself.

He has been given plenty of chances, but he still comes back and trolls. I was pro-askbob until he spent five hours insulting me a few weeks ago.
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4/23/2012 7:35:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm just curious, if askbob really hacked accounts and really found out info on people calling their employers, etc. why are we even having this conversation? Does not matter who the person was or what they did. There are other ways to solve the issue rather than calling their mother.

When it comes to the internet world, those people who crack into computers of computer newbies are considered to be well scum....
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4/23/2012 7:35:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:35:17 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Besides, Thaddy says that he is still on the site, but under a different name. Why can't he be satisfied with his new account?

Fixed
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4/23/2012 7:38:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:35:30 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
I'm just curious, if askbob really hacked accounts and really found out info on people calling their employers, etc. why are we even having this conversation? Does not matter who the person was or what they did. There are other ways to solve the issue rather than calling their mother.

When it comes to the internet world, those people who crack into computers of computer newbies are considered to be well scum....

askbob never hacked anyone. All the information he released he found out through legal means. He is just good with Google.
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