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Microsuck
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4/27/2012 5:42:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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4/27/2012 5:48:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:42:56 PM, Microsuck wrote:
From the ToS http://www.debate.org...:

Will not upload, copy, distribute, share, sell, create derivative works of, or otherwise alter or use any Content, in whole or in part, for any purpose whatsoever except as expressly authorized in this Agreement; and to do so in any manner exceeding the scope of your rights to use such Content (e.g., license rights associated with premium content or subscription-based materials), without permission from the Content owner, or otherwise in violation of another person's rights to such Content.

I see you've followed this to the 't'
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4/27/2012 5:51:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:42:56 PM, Microsuck wrote:
From the ToS http://www.debate.org...:

Will not upload, copy, distribute, share, sell, create derivative works of, or otherwise alter or use any Content, in whole or in part, for any purpose whatsoever except as expressly authorized in this Agreement; and to do so in any manner exceeding the scope of your rights to use such Content (e.g., license rights associated with premium content or subscription-based materials), without permission from the Content owner, or otherwise in violation of another person's rights to such Content.

Like said, I'm no lawyer but that's ^ not plagiarism right? What was just described concerns copyright.
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4/27/2012 5:58:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:51:54 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:42:56 PM, Microsuck wrote:
From the ToS http://www.debate.org...:

Will not upload, copy, distribute, share, sell, create derivative works of, or otherwise alter or use any Content, in whole or in part, for any purpose whatsoever except as expressly authorized in this Agreement; and to do so in any manner exceeding the scope of your rights to use such Content (e.g., license rights associated with premium content or subscription-based materials), without permission from the Content owner, or otherwise in violation of another person's rights to such Content.

Like said, I'm no lawyer but that's ^ not plagiarism right? What was just described concerns copyright.

plagiarism may or may not involve breach of copyright, but using someone else's information and pretending it is your own is. This section is more or less ignored, though, as well as other sections of the Terms, because of the problems that would occur if we abide strictly by the terms. e.g. Section T would result in near everyone being banned.
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4/27/2012 6:04:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:41:21 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
Does anyone know if any rule is written on this site dealing with plagiarism?

There's no excuse for plagiarism.

People have been paraphrasing what should be plagiarism for thousands of years.

It's called research.

Read it. Put it in your own words. Anything else is laziness.

If you are caught, you will lose all credibility on this site. So what can you possibly gain other than a quick fix to a debate that leaves a ticking time bomb on your debate history?
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4/27/2012 6:06:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:58:00 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:51:54 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:42:56 PM, Microsuck wrote:
From the ToS http://www.debate.org...:

Will not upload, copy, distribute, share, sell, create derivative works of, or otherwise alter or use any Content, in whole or in part, for any purpose whatsoever except as expressly authorized in this Agreement; and to do so in any manner exceeding the scope of your rights to use such Content (e.g., license rights associated with premium content or subscription-based materials), without permission from the Content owner, or otherwise in violation of another person's rights to such Content.

Like said, I'm no lawyer but that's ^ not plagiarism right? What was just described concerns copyright.

plagiarism may or may not involve breach of copyright, but using someone else's information and pretending it is your own is. This section is more or less ignored, though, as well as other sections of the Terms, because of the problems that would occur if we abide strictly by the terms. e.g. Section T would result in near everyone being banned.

Ah, I see. Now that just puts things into perspective for me. Thanks Stephen! Here I thought I made an "Epic Fail." Gee golly.
imabench
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4/27/2012 6:12:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:42:56 PM, Microsuck wrote:
From the ToS http://www.debate.org...:

Will not upload, copy, distribute, share, sell, create derivative works of, or otherwise alter or use any Content, in whole or in part, for any purpose whatsoever except as expressly authorized in this Agreement; and to do so in any manner exceeding the scope of your rights to use such Content (e.g., license rights associated with premium content or subscription-based materials), without permission from the Content owner, or otherwise in violation of another person's rights to such Content.

Did Microsuck just plagiarize the part of the TOS that bans plagiarizing?
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4/27/2012 6:12:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 6:04:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:41:21 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
Does anyone know if any rule is written on this site dealing with plagiarism?

There's no excuse for plagiarism.

People have been paraphrasing what should be plagiarism for thousands of years.

It's called research.

Read it. Put it in your own words. Anything else is laziness.

If you are caught, you will lose all credibility on this site. So what can you possibly gain other than a quick fix to a debate that leaves a ticking time bomb on your debate history?

It seems all the stuff debated on this site is either taken from current scholarly or popular ideas. Plagiarism is something to be careful about at school. But when you're limited to ~8k words, on an unprofessional forum that has a debate template, and no more room exists for a "Citations" section, I don't consider it that big of a deal to be honest.

But since some people get butt hurt easily, I'll cite everything.

Hey now new question! ... What happens to the credibility of a guy who, oh I dunno, changes his alias often?
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4/27/2012 6:13:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 6:12:47 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 4/27/2012 6:04:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:41:21 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
Does anyone know if any rule is written on this site dealing with plagiarism?

There's no excuse for plagiarism.

People have been paraphrasing what should be plagiarism for thousands of years.

It's called research.

Read it. Put it in your own words. Anything else is laziness.

If you are caught, you will lose all credibility on this site. So what can you possibly gain other than a quick fix to a debate that leaves a ticking time bomb on your debate history?

It seems all the stuff debated on this site is either taken from current scholarly or popular ideas. Plagiarism is something to be careful about at school. But when you're limited to ~8k words, on an unprofessional forum that has a debate template, and no more room exists for a "Citations" section, I don't consider it that big of a deal to be honest.

But since some people get butt hurt easily, I'll cite everything.

Hey now new question! ... What happens to the credibility of a guy who, oh I dunno, changes his alias often?

Usually doesnt end well for him
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4/27/2012 6:13:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 6:12:47 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:42:56 PM, Microsuck wrote:
From the ToS http://www.debate.org...:

Will not upload, copy, distribute, share, sell, create derivative works of, or otherwise alter or use any Content, in whole or in part, for any purpose whatsoever except as expressly authorized in this Agreement; and to do so in any manner exceeding the scope of your rights to use such Content (e.g., license rights associated with premium content or subscription-based materials), without permission from the Content owner, or otherwise in violation of another person's rights to such Content.

Did Microsuck just plagiarize the part of the TOS that bans plagiarizing?

In all honesty it was me. I got copyright permission from the Rev but ran out of room for a citations page.
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4/27/2012 6:16:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 6:12:47 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 4/27/2012 6:04:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:41:21 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
Does anyone know if any rule is written on this site dealing with plagiarism?

There's no excuse for plagiarism.

People have been paraphrasing what should be plagiarism for thousands of years.

It's called research.

Read it. Put it in your own words. Anything else is laziness.

If you are caught, you will lose all credibility on this site. So what can you possibly gain other than a quick fix to a debate that leaves a ticking time bomb on your debate history?

It seems all the stuff debated on this site is either taken from current scholarly or popular ideas. Plagiarism is something to be careful about at school. But when you're limited to ~8k words, on an unprofessional forum that has a debate template, and no more room exists for a "Citations" section, I don't consider it that big of a deal to be honest.

But since some people get butt hurt easily, I'll cite everything.

Hey now new question! ... What happens to the credibility of a guy who, oh I dunno, changes his alias often?

All you need for a citation is something like:

Neuroscientist Steven Pinker says that "blah de blah"
A May 1984 issue of the New Yorker noted "blah de blah."

Plagiarism is:

Blah de blah.

Anything that a moron with three minutes and a google connection can find doesn't need more than a few words.

As for changing aliases often...it at least suggests something is off.
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4/27/2012 6:18:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 6:16:55 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/27/2012 6:12:47 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 4/27/2012 6:04:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:41:21 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
Does anyone know if any rule is written on this site dealing with plagiarism?

There's no excuse for plagiarism.

People have been paraphrasing what should be plagiarism for thousands of years.

It's called research.

Read it. Put it in your own words. Anything else is laziness.

If you are caught, you will lose all credibility on this site. So what can you possibly gain other than a quick fix to a debate that leaves a ticking time bomb on your debate history?

It seems all the stuff debated on this site is either taken from current scholarly or popular ideas. Plagiarism is something to be careful about at school. But when you're limited to ~8k words, on an unprofessional forum that has a debate template, and no more room exists for a "Citations" section, I don't consider it that big of a deal to be honest.

But since some people get butt hurt easily, I'll cite everything.

Hey now new question! ... What happens to the credibility of a guy who, oh I dunno, changes his alias often?

All you need for a citation is something like:

Neuroscientist Steven Pinker says that "blah de blah"
A May 1984 issue of the New Yorker noted "blah de blah."

Plagiarism is:

Blah de blah.

Anything that a moron with three minutes and a google connection can find doesn't need more than a few words.

As for changing aliases often...it at least suggests something is off.

Lesson learned... can't say the same for an alias changer though that's not my problem.