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Debate.org is worth more then $100,000!!!!!

imabench
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4/29/2012 1:59:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://flippa.com...

I came across that link on the internet and found out that Juggle bought Debate.org for 6 figures, meaning that everyone here is part of something that is worth at least $100,000!!!!

Also this debate was mentioned in the article, its actually one between Freeman and RoyLatham!

http://www.debate.org...
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4/29/2012 3:37:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 1:59:47 PM, imabench wrote:
http://flippa.com...

I came across that link on the internet and found out that Juggle bought Debate.org for 6 figures, meaning that everyone here is part of something that is worth at least $100,000!!!!

Also this debate was mentioned in the article, its actually one between Freeman and RoyLatham!

http://www.debate.org...

Well guess what, i'm part of something that is worth a few billion. FACEBOOK!
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4/29/2012 3:53:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 3:37:50 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 4/29/2012 1:59:47 PM, imabench wrote:
http://flippa.com...

I came across that link on the internet and found out that Juggle bought Debate.org for 6 figures, meaning that everyone here is part of something that is worth at least $100,000!!!!

Also this debate was mentioned in the article, its actually one between Freeman and RoyLatham!

http://www.debate.org...

Well guess what, i'm part of something that is worth a few billion. FACEBOOK!

But what is better Facebook or DDO?
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4/29/2012 4:17:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Interesting. Because debate.org has no revenue, whatever value it has lies in future expectation that the site thrive and obtain a lot of traffic. Presumably traffic can be ultimately commercialized. That's the path Facebook has taken, building a huge amount of traffic first, with the hope it can ultimately be turned into revenue.

Burdened software talent in Silicon Valley cost about $150,000 per man year. "Burden" includes includes employee benefits, rent, utilities, computers, management, accounting services, and everything else it takes to run a business, all translated to a per employee cost. Top software engineers earn up to about $140K in straight salary, new grads around $50k or $60K. That means there is at least $100K in software labor in building the site.

In software, the rule is that the first 90% of the job takes 90% of the budget, and the rest takes the other 90%. Getting a site free of fatal bugs is expensive. Maintenance never ends, because the software inevitably must be rehosted on new servers, malicious hackers keep coming up with new ways to deliberately destroy a site, and some new bugs always appear.

However, the big expense for a new site is advertising. A rule of thumb is that it takes $1 million to launch a successful site from scratch, just for ads.
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4/29/2012 4:19:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 4:17:48 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Interesting. Because debate.org has no revenue, whatever value it has lies in future expectation that the site thrive and obtain a lot of traffic. Presumably traffic can be ultimately commercialized. That's the path Facebook has taken, building a huge amount of traffic first, with the hope it can ultimately be turned into revenue.

Burdened software talent in Silicon Valley cost about $150,000 per man year. "Burden" includes includes employee benefits, rent, utilities, computers, management, accounting services, and everything else it takes to run a business, all translated to a per employee cost. Top software engineers earn up to about $140K in straight salary, new grads around $50k or $60K. That means there is at least $100K in software labor in building the site.

In software, the rule is that the first 90% of the job takes 90% of the budget, and the rest takes the other 90%. Getting a site free of fatal bugs is expensive. Maintenance never ends, because the software inevitably must be rehosted on new servers, malicious hackers keep coming up with new ways to deliberately destroy a site, and some new bugs always appear.

However, the big expense for a new site is advertising. A rule of thumb is that it takes $1 million to launch a successful site from scratch, just for ads.

So....in short, they blew it?
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4/29/2012 5:21:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 4:19:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:17:48 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Interesting. Because debate.org has no revenue, whatever value it has lies in future expectation that the site thrive and obtain a lot of traffic. Presumably traffic can be ultimately commercialized. That's the path Facebook has taken, building a huge amount of traffic first, with the hope it can ultimately be turned into revenue.

Burdened software talent in Silicon Valley cost about $150,000 per man year. "Burden" includes includes employee benefits, rent, utilities, computers, management, accounting services, and everything else it takes to run a business, all translated to a per employee cost. Top software engineers earn up to about $140K in straight salary, new grads around $50k or $60K. That means there is at least $100K in software labor in building the site.

In software, the rule is that the first 90% of the job takes 90% of the budget, and the rest takes the other 90%. Getting a site free of fatal bugs is expensive. Maintenance never ends, because the software inevitably must be rehosted on new servers, malicious hackers keep coming up with new ways to deliberately destroy a site, and some new bugs always appear.

However, the big expense for a new site is advertising. A rule of thumb is that it takes $1 million to launch a successful site from scratch, just for ads.

So....in short, they blew it?
Nope. Not necessarily. They have various options when it comes to generating revenue from debate.org. Their expenses besides the $100k are very low I'd say. They do just about nothing for the site right now, and what they did took nothing special, either money or time-wise. It lasted 3-4 weeks. With user moderators, the amount of time they dedicate here is almost as low as can be.
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4/29/2012 5:42:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 5:21:11 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:19:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:17:48 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Interesting. Because debate.org has no revenue, whatever value it has lies in future expectation that the site thrive and obtain a lot of traffic. Presumably traffic can be ultimately commercialized. That's the path Facebook has taken, building a huge amount of traffic first, with the hope it can ultimately be turned into revenue.

Burdened software talent in Silicon Valley cost about $150,000 per man year. "Burden" includes includes employee benefits, rent, utilities, computers, management, accounting services, and everything else it takes to run a business, all translated to a per employee cost. Top software engineers earn up to about $140K in straight salary, new grads around $50k or $60K. That means there is at least $100K in software labor in building the site.

In software, the rule is that the first 90% of the job takes 90% of the budget, and the rest takes the other 90%. Getting a site free of fatal bugs is expensive. Maintenance never ends, because the software inevitably must be rehosted on new servers, malicious hackers keep coming up with new ways to deliberately destroy a site, and some new bugs always appear.

However, the big expense for a new site is advertising. A rule of thumb is that it takes $1 million to launch a successful site from scratch, just for ads.

So....in short, they blew it?
Nope. Not necessarily. They have various options when it comes to generating revenue from debate.org. Their expenses besides the $100k are very low I'd say. They do just about nothing for the site right now, and what they did took nothing special, either money or time-wise. It lasted 3-4 weeks. With user moderators, the amount of time they dedicate here is almost as low as can be.

To be fair, a lot of investments like DDO are inherently risky, so not profiting off a site like this is to be expected. However, If a site does succeed it can bring huge rates of returns. Juggle is worth millions, so blowing over a $100,000 is nothing.
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4/29/2012 5:45:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 5:42:24 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/29/2012 5:21:11 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:19:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:17:48 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Interesting. Because debate.org has no revenue, whatever value it has lies in future expectation that the site thrive and obtain a lot of traffic. Presumably traffic can be ultimately commercialized. That's the path Facebook has taken, building a huge amount of traffic first, with the hope it can ultimately be turned into revenue.

Burdened software talent in Silicon Valley cost about $150,000 per man year. "Burden" includes includes employee benefits, rent, utilities, computers, management, accounting services, and everything else it takes to run a business, all translated to a per employee cost. Top software engineers earn up to about $140K in straight salary, new grads around $50k or $60K. That means there is at least $100K in software labor in building the site.

In software, the rule is that the first 90% of the job takes 90% of the budget, and the rest takes the other 90%. Getting a site free of fatal bugs is expensive. Maintenance never ends, because the software inevitably must be rehosted on new servers, malicious hackers keep coming up with new ways to deliberately destroy a site, and some new bugs always appear.

However, the big expense for a new site is advertising. A rule of thumb is that it takes $1 million to launch a successful site from scratch, just for ads.

So....in short, they blew it?
Nope. Not necessarily. They have various options when it comes to generating revenue from debate.org. Their expenses besides the $100k are very low I'd say. They do just about nothing for the site right now, and what they did took nothing special, either money or time-wise. It lasted 3-4 weeks. With user moderators, the amount of time they dedicate here is almost as low as can be.

To be fair, a lot of investments like DDO are inherently risky, so not profiting off a site like this is to be expected. However, If a site does succeed it can bring huge rates of returns. Juggle is worth millions, so blowing over a $100,000 is nothing.

How are they attempting to make money at all, though? Hosting ads would gain cash, but I can't think of much else..
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4/29/2012 5:55:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 5:45:45 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 4/29/2012 5:42:24 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/29/2012 5:21:11 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:19:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:17:48 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Interesting. Because debate.org has no revenue, whatever value it has lies in future expectation that the site thrive and obtain a lot of traffic. Presumably traffic can be ultimately commercialized. That's the path Facebook has taken, building a huge amount of traffic first, with the hope it can ultimately be turned into revenue.

Burdened software talent in Silicon Valley cost about $150,000 per man year. "Burden" includes includes employee benefits, rent, utilities, computers, management, accounting services, and everything else it takes to run a business, all translated to a per employee cost. Top software engineers earn up to about $140K in straight salary, new grads around $50k or $60K. That means there is at least $100K in software labor in building the site.

In software, the rule is that the first 90% of the job takes 90% of the budget, and the rest takes the other 90%. Getting a site free of fatal bugs is expensive. Maintenance never ends, because the software inevitably must be rehosted on new servers, malicious hackers keep coming up with new ways to deliberately destroy a site, and some new bugs always appear.

However, the big expense for a new site is advertising. A rule of thumb is that it takes $1 million to launch a successful site from scratch, just for ads.

So....in short, they blew it?
Nope. Not necessarily. They have various options when it comes to generating revenue from debate.org. Their expenses besides the $100k are very low I'd say. They do just about nothing for the site right now, and what they did took nothing special, either money or time-wise. It lasted 3-4 weeks. With user moderators, the amount of time they dedicate here is almost as low as can be.

To be fair, a lot of investments like DDO are inherently risky, so not profiting off a site like this is to be expected. However, If a site does succeed it can bring huge rates of returns. Juggle is worth millions, so blowing over a $100,000 is nothing.

How are they attempting to make money at all, though? Hosting ads would gain cash, but I can't think of much else..

Well they could host ads laters. They could incorporate the information on DDO to a reference database. The user agreement states that everything on DDO is juggle's intellectual property.
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4/29/2012 6:18:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 5:45:45 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
I can't think of much else..
Premium features. Anything from moderating your own threads to creating polls. There's some opposition against this, which surprises me considering most active users aren't socialists. Being able to pay for better services is a capitalist system.