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ELO is alive and well BABY!!!

Ore_Ele
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6/19/2012 11:45:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Received a new set of Raw data from Juggle (thank you Julia and Mike) that is up to date as of yesterday (6/18).

If you would like to know what your ELO, just send me a PM and I'll tell you yours and what other members are in the same ball park as you.

Here are the top 50.

RoyLatham -8,842
Danielle -7,609
16kadams - 7,332
Kleptin -7,137
bluesteel -6,775
Ore_Ele -6,668
TheSkeptic - 5,979
Logical-Master -5,945
Puck - 5,803
beem0r -5,715
thett3 -5,622
wjmelements -5,611
JustCallMeTarzan - 5,544
Grape -5,462
Koopin - 5,343
Kinesis -5,213
InquireTruth -5,174
feverish -5,020
BlackVoid- 4,999
CiRrK - 4,980
KRFournier - 4,926
imabench- 4,926
Korashk- 4,925
J.Kenyon- 4,894
Zaradi- 4,794
1dustpelt- 4,787
m93samman -4,762
Cody_Franklin -4,711
ReformedArsenal -4,654
Maikuru- 4,571
FREEDO- 4,495
TUF- 4,465
Yraelz- 4,437
Ragnar_Rahl -4,411
vmpire321 -4,405
studentathletechristian8- 4,404
Contradiction -4,338
Nails - 4,296
phantom -4,286
Hardcore.Pwnography - 4,285
burningpuppies101 - 4,222
mongeese - 4,214
Mangani -4,162
alto2osu -4,152
Freeman -4,133
Mirza -4,126
JBlake -4,108
Vi_Veri -4,040
Double_R -3,981
MTGandP -3,956
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bossyburrito
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6/19/2012 11:55:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What exactly is ELO?
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Ore_Ele
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6/20/2012 12:01:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 11:55:06 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
What exactly is ELO?

What is this, I don't even...
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bossyburrito
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6/20/2012 12:07:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 12:05:11 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

This may help.

Ah, I see. Thank you.
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6/20/2012 12:56:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 12:07:43 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 6/20/2012 12:05:11 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

This may help.

Ah, I see. Thank you.

Not a problem, there have been quite a few threads on this in the past, but I think that debate would be the single best source for what ELO is.
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phantom
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6/20/2012 8:07:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Moved up 16 places!

I really want to see dairygirls rating.
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6/20/2012 10:21:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 8:07:38 AM, phantom wrote:
Moved up 16 places!

I really want to see dairygirls rating.

*16 places from the current leaderboard.
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6/22/2012 6:57:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 4:21:21 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
am i 25th? ugh counting ):

35th :P
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Double_R
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6/22/2012 10:22:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Question about ELO: Does the system take into account when the debate took place? In other words, if I beat someone who is 0-0, then that person wins 10 straight debates, will the amount of points I get for that victory increase (factoring that I beat someone who is 10-1) or does it only take into account their record when I beat them(0-0)?
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6/22/2012 10:48:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 10:22:16 PM, Double_R wrote:
Question about ELO: Does the system take into account when the debate took place? In other words, if I beat someone who is 0-0, then that person wins 10 straight debates, will the amount of points I get for that victory increase (factoring that I beat someone who is 10-1) or does it only take into account their record when I beat them(0-0)?

It looks at the ELO score of two people at the time of the start of the debate. If it was ever changing, it runs a high risk of a crash. Since circular ELO scores will happen (if my score changes, it changes the score of everyone I've debated, which will change the score of everyone those people have debated, which may come back to change my score again, and the cycle repeats).

Also, a forever updating ELO would be assuming that everyone is constant and ELO is merely trying to find out that constant. But some people will get better with time, so those that debated them when they were still young and inexperienced shouldn't get an ELO bonus because of it.
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vmpire321
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6/22/2012 10:54:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 6:57:02 PM, phantom wrote:
At 6/22/2012 4:21:21 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
am i 25th? ugh counting ):

35th :P

what i meant.
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6/22/2012 11:04:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
@Ore_Ele

That's the best explanation I've seen for why ELO doesn't update based on opponent's record.
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Ore_Ele
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6/22/2012 11:06:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 11:04:12 PM, bluesteel wrote:
@Ore_Ele

That's the best explanation I've seen for why ELO doesn't update based on opponent's record.

Actually, the best explanation is because the coding would be countlessly more challenging. I just rationalized it. :P
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6/22/2012 11:15:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
How long did it actually take you to program the bad boy Ore_ele. How much did you write from scratch and how much of it was prewritten code?
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Ore_Ele
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6/22/2012 11:42:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 11:15:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
How long did it actually take you to program the bad boy Ore_ele. How much did you write from scratch and how much of it was prewritten code?

A few hours to write the ground work and about 2 days to work out the bugs. It was all written from scratch (and so is fairly ugly).
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thett3
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6/22/2012 11:43:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 11:42:12 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 6/22/2012 11:15:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
How long did it actually take you to program the bad boy Ore_ele. How much did you write from scratch and how much of it was prewritten code?

A few hours to write the ground work and about 2 days to work out the bugs. It was all written from scratch (and so is fairly ugly).

Thanks for doing that :)

I know it seems like I was criticizing ELO, but I wasnt trying to. It's a good system and I (and everyone else I assume) really appreciate you doing ELO for us :)
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6/22/2012 11:53:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 11:43:41 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 6/22/2012 11:42:12 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 6/22/2012 11:15:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
How long did it actually take you to program the bad boy Ore_ele. How much did you write from scratch and how much of it was prewritten code?

A few hours to write the ground work and about 2 days to work out the bugs. It was all written from scratch (and so is fairly ugly).

Thanks for doing that :)

I know it seems like I was criticizing ELO, but I wasnt trying to. It's a good system and I (and everyone else I assume) really appreciate you doing ELO for us :)

I know, I was just playing about reacting. ELO has been something that nearly everyone has been supportive for since we started trying to get it over a year ago.
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