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6/21/2012 8:05:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hello Everyone!

For all the chess players on DDO (which I hope applies to many of you), do you guys have any opinions on the links between sexuality and chess?

For example, why is it that men are better then women? (this is not suppose to be sexist. I am merely stating facts)

Why is that women are not able to play as well as men? Any opinions and resources will be great.

Famer~

PS. I guess this might be in the wrong section of the forums...
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6/21/2012 9:00:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
If you're good...

1) you can go for hours
2) you have a well thought out plan
3) you focus on all the pieces
4) you can open them wide up without them knowing what is going on
5) you may end up with multiple queens
6) check and mate

Of course, this applies to both
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6/21/2012 9:34:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'd call chess an "entertaining", "educational", "healthy", "personal" and "philosophical" "game", that's a "science", "art", "sport" and/or "religion" for many people. So basically this fits almost anywhere.
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6/21/2012 9:47:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't know of any female grandmasters. But that's ironic since the queen ultimately dominates the whole game.
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6/21/2012 10:14:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
It's been proven that men are better at women at spatial problems. Chess has a lot of those problems. You have to visualize your pieces and your opponents pieces moving without them actually moving. You have to visualize their position and their attacking ranges.

Also men are more competitive then females. And while I'm add it, chess has a war and killing aspect of to it.
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6/21/2012 12:51:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.

@Ike: That's because you never bothered to look it up

Grandmasters

There are currently 24 female players to hold the GM title:[5][6]
Name Country Birth Date Date Age Earned World Champion Peak
Rating Notes
Nona Gaprindashvili Georgia 1941-05-03 1978 37 WCC 1962–1978 2381 First female grandmaster
Maia Chiburdanidze Georgia 1961-01-17 1984 23 WCC 1978–1991 2550
Susan Polgar Hungary
United States 1969-04-19 1991 22 norms 1996–1999 2577 First to be awarded the title traditionally
Judit Polgár Hungary 1976-07-23 1991 15 norms – 2735 Youngest grandmaster ever at the time
Xie Jun China 1970-10-30 1991 21 WCC 1991–1996,1999–2001 2574
Pia Cramling Sweden 1963-04-23 1992 29 norms – 2550
Zhu Chen China
Qatar 1976-03-16 2001 25 norms 2001–2004 2548
Humpy Koneru India 1987-03-31 2002 15 norms – 2622
Antoaneta Stefanova Bulgaria 1979-04-19 2003 25 norms 2004–2006 2560
Alexandra Kosteniuk Russia 1984-03-23 2004 20 EWC 2008–2010 2540
Peng Zhaoqin China
Netherlands 1968-05-08 2004 36 EWC – 2472
Hoang Thanh Trang Vietnam
Hungary 1980-04-25 2007 27 norms – 2501
Kateryna Lahno Ukraine 1989-12-27 2007 17 norms – 2509
Xu Yuhua China 1976-10-29 2007 30 WCC 2006–2008 2517
Marie Sebag France 1986-10-15 2008 21 norms – 2533
Zhao Xue China 1985-04-06 2008 23 norms – 2551
Hou Yifan China 1994-02-27 2008 14 norms 2010– 2639 Youngest ever female grandmaster
Nana Dzagnidze Georgia 1987-01-01 2008 21 norms – 2536
Monika Soćko Poland 1978-03-24 2008 30 norms – 2505
Ketevan Arakhamia-Grant Georgia
Scotland 1968-07-19 2009 40 norms – 2506
Tatiana Kosintseva Russia 1986-04-11 2009 23 norms – 2539
Natalia Zhukova Ukraine 1979-06-05 2010 30 norms – 2499
Elina Danielian Armenia 1978-08-16 2010 32 norms - 2521
Nadezhda Kosintseva Russia 1985-01-14 2011 26 norms – 2576

@Kermit: There is a lot of social pressure against females learning how to play. I loved to play it in middle school, and I don't think it's hard to imagine how much flak I got for playing it and earning a spot on the chess team (which was pretty competitive: we won our district tournament). Chess is considered lame in our society, even for males.
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6/21/2012 12:53:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Are the Grandmasters white? :)
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6/21/2012 12:54:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There were about 10 players on the team and 25 alternates. It took me two years to get a spot. The top players had coaches and played in tournaments outside of school. My training came from the "Learn to Play Chess with Fritz and Chester Parts 1 and 2" programs (I didn't even finish the series b/c we never bought all of them) and www.chesskids.com
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6/21/2012 12:55:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 12:53:02 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Are the Grandmasters white? :)

The current world champion is from India. He beats white people all the time and gets millions of dollars for doing it :)
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6/21/2012 1:11:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 12:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.


@Ike: That's because you never bothered to look it up

Grandmasters

There are currently 24 female players to hold the GM title:[5][6]
Name Country Birth Date Date Age Earned World Champion Peak
Rating Notes
Nona Gaprindashvili Georgia 1941-05-03 1978 37 WCC 1962–1978 2381 First female grandmaster
Maia Chiburdanidze Georgia 1961-01-17 1984 23 WCC 1978–1991 2550
Susan Polgar Hungary
United States 1969-04-19 1991 22 norms 1996–1999 2577 First to be awarded the title traditionally
Judit Polgár Hungary 1976-07-23 1991 15 norms – 2735 Youngest grandmaster ever at the time
Xie Jun China 1970-10-30 1991 21 WCC 1991–1996,1999–2001 2574
Pia Cramling Sweden 1963-04-23 1992 29 norms – 2550
Zhu Chen China
Qatar 1976-03-16 2001 25 norms 2001–2004 2548
Humpy Koneru India 1987-03-31 2002 15 norms – 2622
Antoaneta Stefanova Bulgaria 1979-04-19 2003 25 norms 2004–2006 2560
Alexandra Kosteniuk Russia 1984-03-23 2004 20 EWC 2008–2010 2540
Peng Zhaoqin China
Netherlands 1968-05-08 2004 36 EWC – 2472
Hoang Thanh Trang Vietnam
Hungary 1980-04-25 2007 27 norms – 2501
Kateryna Lahno Ukraine 1989-12-27 2007 17 norms – 2509
Xu Yuhua China 1976-10-29 2007 30 WCC 2006–2008 2517
Marie Sebag France 1986-10-15 2008 21 norms – 2533
Zhao Xue China 1985-04-06 2008 23 norms – 2551
Hou Yifan China 1994-02-27 2008 14 norms 2010– 2639 Youngest ever female grandmaster
Nana Dzagnidze Georgia 1987-01-01 2008 21 norms – 2536
Monika Soćko Poland 1978-03-24 2008 30 norms – 2505
Ketevan Arakhamia-Grant Georgia
Scotland 1968-07-19 2009 40 norms – 2506
Tatiana Kosintseva Russia 1986-04-11 2009 23 norms – 2539
Natalia Zhukova Ukraine 1979-06-05 2010 30 norms – 2499
Elina Danielian Armenia 1978-08-16 2010 32 norms - 2521
Nadezhda Kosintseva Russia 1985-01-14 2011 26 norms – 2576

@Kermit: There is a lot of social pressure against females learning how to play. I loved to play it in middle school, and I don't think it's hard to imagine how much flak I got for playing it and earning a spot on the chess team (which was pretty competitive: we won our district tournament). Chess is considered lame in our society, even for males.

Of course, as expected you offered the environmental explanation :).

Note, my explanation is not necessarily one of essentialism. I should've added the qualifier "on average". Of course the average females with higher IQs are more likely then the average male to have better spatial intelligence. There's exceptions to the rules.
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6/21/2012 1:12:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 10:14:42 AM, darkkermit wrote:
It's been proven that men are better at women at spatial problems. Chess has a lot of those problems. You have to visualize your pieces and your opponents pieces moving without them actually moving. You have to visualize their position and their attacking ranges.

Also men are more competitive then females. And while I'm add it, chess has a war and killing aspect of to it.

Chess... has a... war and killing aspect to it?!
XD hahahahaha

DK, you slay me.
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6/21/2012 1:17:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 1:12:22 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 6/21/2012 10:14:42 AM, darkkermit wrote:
It's been proven that men are better at women at spatial problems. Chess has a lot of those problems. You have to visualize your pieces and your opponents pieces moving without them actually moving. You have to visualize their position and their attacking ranges.

Also men are more competitive then females. And while I'm add it, chess has a war and killing aspect of to it.

Chess... has a... war and killing aspect to it?!
XD hahahahaha

DK, you slay me.

Hey its a violent, violent game.

I'm also surprised that royal likes it because it promotes a hierarchy society :p.
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6/21/2012 1:17:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 1:11:09 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/21/2012 12:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.


@Ike: That's because you never bothered to look it up

Grandmasters

There are currently 24 female players to hold the GM title:[5][6]
Name Country Birth Date Date Age Earned World Champion Peak
Rating Notes
Nona Gaprindashvili Georgia 1941-05-03 1978 37 WCC 1962–1978 2381 First female grandmaster
Maia Chiburdanidze Georgia 1961-01-17 1984 23 WCC 1978–1991 2550
Susan Polgar Hungary
United States 1969-04-19 1991 22 norms 1996–1999 2577 First to be awarded the title traditionally
Judit Polgár Hungary 1976-07-23 1991 15 norms – 2735 Youngest grandmaster ever at the time
Xie Jun China 1970-10-30 1991 21 WCC 1991–1996,1999–2001 2574
Pia Cramling Sweden 1963-04-23 1992 29 norms – 2550
Zhu Chen China
Qatar 1976-03-16 2001 25 norms 2001–2004 2548
Humpy Koneru India 1987-03-31 2002 15 norms – 2622
Antoaneta Stefanova Bulgaria 1979-04-19 2003 25 norms 2004–2006 2560
Alexandra Kosteniuk Russia 1984-03-23 2004 20 EWC 2008–2010 2540
Peng Zhaoqin China
Netherlands 1968-05-08 2004 36 EWC – 2472
Hoang Thanh Trang Vietnam
Hungary 1980-04-25 2007 27 norms – 2501
Kateryna Lahno Ukraine 1989-12-27 2007 17 norms – 2509
Xu Yuhua China 1976-10-29 2007 30 WCC 2006–2008 2517
Marie Sebag France 1986-10-15 2008 21 norms – 2533
Zhao Xue China 1985-04-06 2008 23 norms – 2551
Hou Yifan China 1994-02-27 2008 14 norms 2010– 2639 Youngest ever female grandmaster
Nana Dzagnidze Georgia 1987-01-01 2008 21 norms – 2536
Monika Soćko Poland 1978-03-24 2008 30 norms – 2505
Ketevan Arakhamia-Grant Georgia
Scotland 1968-07-19 2009 40 norms – 2506
Tatiana Kosintseva Russia 1986-04-11 2009 23 norms – 2539
Natalia Zhukova Ukraine 1979-06-05 2010 30 norms – 2499
Elina Danielian Armenia 1978-08-16 2010 32 norms - 2521
Nadezhda Kosintseva Russia 1985-01-14 2011 26 norms – 2576

@Kermit: There is a lot of social pressure against females learning how to play. I loved to play it in middle school, and I don't think it's hard to imagine how much flak I got for playing it and earning a spot on the chess team (which was pretty competitive: we won our district tournament). Chess is considered lame in our society, even for males.

Of course, as expected you offered the environmental explanation :).

Note, my explanation is not necessarily one of essentialism. I should've added the qualifier "on average". Of course the average females with higher IQs are more likely then the average male to have better spatial intelligence. There's exceptions to the rules.

It's not a rule at all. It's a measurement of averages. A tyranny of averages, if I do say so myself. Two heavily overlapping bell curves made out to be two barely touching columns.

If you want to talk about environment, women are more likely to do poorly in traditionally male activities if reminded of their female-ness beforehand. So just keep spouting your self-fulfilling prophecy :P
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:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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6/21/2012 1:18:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 1:17:03 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/21/2012 1:12:22 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 6/21/2012 10:14:42 AM, darkkermit wrote:
It's been proven that men are better at women at spatial problems. Chess has a lot of those problems. You have to visualize your pieces and your opponents pieces moving without them actually moving. You have to visualize their position and their attacking ranges.

Also men are more competitive then females. And while I'm add it, chess has a war and killing aspect of to it.

Chess... has a... war and killing aspect to it?!
XD hahahahaha

DK, you slay me.

Hey its a violent, violent game.

I'm also surprised that royal likes it because it promotes a hierarchy society :p.

hahah I know what you were getting at but man... in that case, we might as well start calling checkers Game of Thrones. CAUSE IT IS!!
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: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
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6/21/2012 1:20:07 PM
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I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.

I'd like you to back that up. Get an account on chess.com, we have our own little DDO chess club there.
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6/21/2012 1:20:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 1:20:07 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.

I'd like you to back that up. Get an account on chess.com, we have our own little DDO chess club there.

OOOOH!!! $HIT JUST GOT REALLLL!!!
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6/21/2012 1:32:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 1:20:07 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.

I'd like you to back that up. Get an account on chess.com, we have our own little DDO chess club there.

Haha, fine. I'll join in a a few weeks. I haven't played for a few years, so let me start training again.

I'll definitely join, however.
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6/21/2012 1:32:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 1:17:36 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 6/21/2012 1:11:09 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/21/2012 12:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.


@Ike: That's because you never bothered to look it up

Grandmasters

There are currently 24 female players to hold the GM title:[5][6]
Name Country Birth Date Date Age Earned World Champion Peak
Rating Notes
Nona Gaprindashvili Georgia 1941-05-03 1978 37 WCC 1962–1978 2381 First female grandmaster
Maia Chiburdanidze Georgia 1961-01-17 1984 23 WCC 1978–1991 2550
Susan Polgar Hungary
United States 1969-04-19 1991 22 norms 1996–1999 2577 First to be awarded the title traditionally
Judit Polgár Hungary 1976-07-23 1991 15 norms – 2735 Youngest grandmaster ever at the time
Xie Jun China 1970-10-30 1991 21 WCC 1991–1996,1999–2001 2574
Pia Cramling Sweden 1963-04-23 1992 29 norms – 2550
Zhu Chen China
Qatar 1976-03-16 2001 25 norms 2001–2004 2548
Humpy Koneru India 1987-03-31 2002 15 norms – 2622
Antoaneta Stefanova Bulgaria 1979-04-19 2003 25 norms 2004–2006 2560
Alexandra Kosteniuk Russia 1984-03-23 2004 20 EWC 2008–2010 2540
Peng Zhaoqin China
Netherlands 1968-05-08 2004 36 EWC – 2472
Hoang Thanh Trang Vietnam
Hungary 1980-04-25 2007 27 norms – 2501
Kateryna Lahno Ukraine 1989-12-27 2007 17 norms – 2509
Xu Yuhua China 1976-10-29 2007 30 WCC 2006–2008 2517
Marie Sebag France 1986-10-15 2008 21 norms – 2533
Zhao Xue China 1985-04-06 2008 23 norms – 2551
Hou Yifan China 1994-02-27 2008 14 norms 2010– 2639 Youngest ever female grandmaster
Nana Dzagnidze Georgia 1987-01-01 2008 21 norms – 2536
Monika Soćko Poland 1978-03-24 2008 30 norms – 2505
Ketevan Arakhamia-Grant Georgia
Scotland 1968-07-19 2009 40 norms – 2506
Tatiana Kosintseva Russia 1986-04-11 2009 23 norms – 2539
Natalia Zhukova Ukraine 1979-06-05 2010 30 norms – 2499
Elina Danielian Armenia 1978-08-16 2010 32 norms - 2521
Nadezhda Kosintseva Russia 1985-01-14 2011 26 norms – 2576

@Kermit: There is a lot of social pressure against females learning how to play. I loved to play it in middle school, and I don't think it's hard to imagine how much flak I got for playing it and earning a spot on the chess team (which was pretty competitive: we won our district tournament). Chess is considered lame in our society, even for males.

Of course, as expected you offered the environmental explanation :).

Note, my explanation is not necessarily one of essentialism. I should've added the qualifier "on average". Of course the average females with higher IQs are more likely then the average male to have better spatial intelligence. There's exceptions to the rules.

It's not a rule at all. It's a measurement of averages. A tyranny of averages, if I do say so myself. Two heavily overlapping bell curves made out to be two barely touching columns.

If you want to talk about environment, women are more likely to do poorly in traditionally male activities if reminded of their female-ness beforehand. So just keep spouting your self-fulfilling prophecy :P

Fair enough. I probably shouldn't of said it as a rule. I don't actually have the data on average difference and what the two bell curves are, so I don't know how much the "overlap is". Even still, the average IQ and spacial intelligence required to be interested in chess is probably substantially higher than average.

So in order to prove my theory correct I'd need three things:
The average male spatial intelligence and the standard deviation
the average female spatial intelligence and its standard deviation
the average chess spatial intelligence and its standard deviation.

If I have the curve functions, the problem is solvable. But I don't have the curve functions.
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6/21/2012 1:33:43 PM
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At 6/21/2012 12:54:38 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/21/2012 12:53:02 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Are the Grandmasters white? :)

Um, a bunch of them are from Asian countries.

You don't get the joke, do you?
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6/21/2012 1:42:34 PM
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At 6/21/2012 1:34:38 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I'm willing to play chess against someone. I'm not that good though :p.

Get an account on chess.com and friend OMG_JustinBieber there's a few of us on here: Microsuck, Maikaru, Nags, famer...
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6/21/2012 2:22:25 PM
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At 6/21/2012 9:47:54 AM, 000ike wrote:
I don't know of any female grandmasters. But that's ironic since the queen ultimately dominates the whole game.


I disagree, I think the horse is the best piece.
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6/21/2012 2:26:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 2:22:25 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/21/2012 9:47:54 AM, 000ike wrote:
I don't know of any female grandmasters. But that's ironic since the queen ultimately dominates the whole game.


I disagree, I think the horse is the best piece.

the horse is a really nice piece, but you can't seriously believe its superior to the queen!
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6/21/2012 2:28:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 12:54:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
There were about 10 players on the team and 25 alternates. It took me two years to get a spot. The top players had coaches and played in tournaments outside of school. My training came from the "Learn to Play Chess with Fritz and Chester Parts 1 and 2" programs (I didn't even finish the series b/c we never bought all of them) and www.chesskids.com

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6/21/2012 3:30:50 PM
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At 6/21/2012 12:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.

What's your rating on chess.com? If it isn't hopelessly higher than mine I wouldn't mind beating you ;)
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6/21/2012 3:40:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 3:30:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 6/21/2012 12:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I love chess and I bet I could beat any male on this forum.

What's your rating on chess.com? If it isn't hopelessly higher than mine I wouldn't mind beating you ;)

I just got on today. Let me train first; it's been a while since I've played.

Also, I'm not THAT good. I just assumed everyone else was bad :)