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inferno
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6/28/2012 4:05:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Make no mistake about it. You know where I stand on certain issues whether it is moral or not. I have nothing against gays, or any of the gay users on
this horrid forum. I just dont agree with the lifestyle and yes it is still
a choice. When I return, you can debate me on this issue. Win or lose, just dont meet me on the threads or the streets. If you do, this is going to happen.
Any comments. Have a nice day.
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6/28/2012 4:29:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This one is for Microsuck, Freedo, Steve Hawk, Royale, Medic, Paradigm, Man Is Good, 000ike, Kyro, Innomen, and
of course. Licki-poo. =)
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6/28/2012 4:43:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 4:40:20 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Do you have something to confess, inferno?

Are you waiting for me to say that Im gay.
Dont hold your breath on that one.
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6/28/2012 5:43:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The awkward moment when I feel left out not being mentioned.
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: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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6/28/2012 5:47:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 5:43:57 PM, socialpinko wrote:
The awkward moment when I feel left out not being mentioned.

This one is for Microsuck, socialpinko, Freedo, Steve Hawk, Royale, Medic, Paradigm, Man Is Good, 000ike, Kyro, Innomen, and
of course. Licki-poo. =)

I got your back.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey.
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6/28/2012 5:47:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 5:47:14 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:43:57 PM, socialpinko wrote:
The awkward moment when I feel left out not being mentioned.

This one is for Microsuck, socialpinko, Freedo, Steve Hawk, Royale, Medic, Paradigm, Man Is Good, 000ike, Kyro, Innomen, and
of course. Licki-poo. =)

I got your back.

In the most heterosexual way possible, I should add.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey.
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6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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6/28/2012 6:00:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Are you prescribing therapy to homosexuals?
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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6/28/2012 6:01:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Just environmental factors? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
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6/28/2012 6:02:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:00:17 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Are you prescribing therapy to homosexuals?

Try this one for size.
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6/28/2012 6:02:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:01:20 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Just environmental factors? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The same goes for you.
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6/28/2012 6:05:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

I say this in the most affectionate way possible:

Listen up, dipsh1t. CANNOT be changed. AT ALL. EVER.

Practically EVERY PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION has agreed on that point. As for the "conversion" camps/programs, those have been discredited ad nauseum by both psychologists and "converts" alike. They don't change orientation--they repress behavior and natural expression of a natural sexual orientation.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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6/28/2012 6:07:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:05:19 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

I say this in the most affectionate way possible:

Listen up, dipsh1t. CANNOT be changed. AT ALL. EVER.

Practically EVERY PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION has agreed on that point. As for the "conversion" camps/programs, those have been discredited ad nauseum by both psychologists and "converts" alike. They don't change orientation--they repress behavior and natural expression of a natural sexual orientation.

This one is for you.
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6/28/2012 6:08:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:05:13 PM, inferno wrote:
Airmax, Grey Parrot, Socio Pinko, Writer Dave. Yes, you too. =)

I'm confused.. what exactly am I being warned about?

Also, please refrain from spamming the DDO forums.. these threads about you belong in 'personal' or 'misc'.
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6/28/2012 6:11:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:00:17 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Are you prescribing therapy to homosexuals?

No it's optional.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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6/28/2012 6:12:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:11:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:00:17 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Are you prescribing therapy to homosexuals?

No it's optional.

It would do diddly squat, though.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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6/28/2012 6:15:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:01:20 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Just environmental factors? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

That flawed study? It has been discredited multiple times. My opinion (in anothers words) is found here:

http://www.narth.com...
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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6/28/2012 6:19:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:05:19 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

I say this in the most affectionate way possible:

Listen up, dipsh1t. CANNOT be changed. AT ALL. EVER.

Practically EVERY PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION has agreed on that point. As for the "conversion" camps/programs, those have been discredited ad nauseum by both psychologists and "converts" alike. They don't change orientation--they repress behavior and natural expression of a natural sexual orientation.

Appeal to authority fallacy. You also forget that those associations where mobbed and threatened. Gay advocates admit to harassing those organizations until they changed their opinion. Also no gay gene has been found outside poor early 1990s studies.

If you look at it all gay evidence was made in 2003 and before, or the bulk of it, and all those gay studies have been rebutted.

If anything you are just going off personal experience. It is environmental factors, and it's a FACT they contribute, and well accepted they are the main cause. (many scientists never voice that opinion until they retire, saying its natural means money so they go with it)
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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6/28/2012 6:19:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:12:35 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:11:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:00:17 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Are you prescribing therapy to homosexuals?

No it's optional.

It would do diddly squat, though.

I'm a bit confused as to the proposals for therapy for homosexuality

I thought it was long discredited that the homosexual orientation was neither linked to some sort of pathology or to a rejection of the normative heterosexual orientation in terms of garnering sexual pleasure or a procured orientation due to experiences with one's parents.
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

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6/28/2012 6:26:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:19:51 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:05:19 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:

Practically EVERY PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION has agreed on that point. As for the "conversion" camps/programs, those have been discredited ad nauseum by both psychologists and "converts" alike. They don't change orientation--they repress behavior and natural expression of a natural sexual orientation.

Appeal to authority fallacy. You also forget that those associations where mobbed and threatened. Gay advocates admit to harassing those organizations until they changed their opinion. Also no gay gene has been found outside poor early 1990s studies.

It's not necessarily a gene. Hormone deficiencies in the womb have been shown to have causal links to homosexuality.
http://www.tandfonline.com...

If you look at it all gay evidence was made in 2003 and before, or the bulk of it, and all those gay studies have been rebutted.

Proof or lame assertion? Going with the latter? Cool.

If anything you are just going off personal experience. It is environmental factors, and it's a FACT they contribute, and well accepted they are the main cause. (many scientists never voice that opinion until they retire, saying its natural means money so they go with it)

It's not well accepted that they're the main cause though. The whole point is that there isn't much that's really widely accepted.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
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: I disagree.
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6/28/2012 6:27:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:19:55 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:12:35 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:11:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:00:17 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Are you prescribing therapy to homosexuals?

No it's optional.

It would do diddly squat, though.


It has been reported that it works 30% of the time based on studies.

I'm a bit confused as to the proposals for therapy for homosexuality

I thought it was long discredited that the homosexual orientation was neither linked to some sort of pathology or to a rejection of the normative heterosexual orientation in terms of garnering sexual pleasure or a procured orientation due to experiences with one's parents.

No it hasn't, the APA is now moving to that conclusion as we speak as the gay gene theory has been debunked multiple times and there is little evidence on the brain theory.

Also it isn't only parental interactions/experience, porn at a young age based on some evidence leads to homosexuality.

Most scientists are moving away from the gay agenda too a stance that isn't suicide: it's a mix of both. Many, though, say its environmental factors. More then it's genes anyway.

No, only gene theory has been discredited. Environment ALWAYS has impact, the question is how much and if there are natural factors. None have been found.
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6/28/2012 6:29:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:27:35 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:19:55 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:12:35 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:11:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:00:17 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Are you prescribing therapy to homosexuals?

No it's optional.

It would do diddly squat, though.


It has been reported that it works 30% of the time based on studies.

I'm a bit confused as to the proposals for therapy for homosexuality

I thought it was long discredited that the homosexual orientation was neither linked to some sort of pathology or to a rejection of the normative heterosexual orientation in terms of garnering sexual pleasure or a procured orientation due to experiences with one's parents.

No it hasn't, the APA is now moving to that conclusion as we speak as the gay gene theory has been debunked multiple times and there is little evidence on the brain theory.

Also it isn't only parental interactions/experience, porn at a young age based on some evidence leads to homosexuality.

Most scientists are moving away from the gay agenda too a stance that isn't suicide: it's a mix of both. Many, though, say its environmental factors. More then it's genes anyway.

No, only gene theory has been discredited. Environment ALWAYS has impact, the question is how much and if there are natural factors. None have been found.

False. This is by choice only. These theories are inconclusive and just guesses at best.
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6/28/2012 6:31:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:08:58 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:05:13 PM, inferno wrote:
Airmax, Grey Parrot, Socio Pinko, Writer Dave. Yes, you too. =)

I'm confused.. what exactly am I being warned about?

Also, please refrain from spamming the DDO forums.. these threads about you belong in 'personal' or 'misc'.

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Just read between the lines Mr President.
It is not that hard to understand. =)
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6/28/2012 6:32:37 PM
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At 6/28/2012 6:15:29 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:01:20 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Just environmental factors? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

That flawed study? It has been discredited multiple times. My opinion (in anothers words) is found here:

http://www.narth.com...

I don't see how that link "discredits" the study.

"... the interaction of genes and environment is much more complicated than the simple "violence genes" and intelligence genes" touted in the popular press.The same data that show the effects of genes, also point to the enormous influence of nongenetic factors."
This quote, from your link, actually confirms what I'm saying. I didn't say it was 100% genetic, just that there was a strong genetic influence, as well as nongenetic factors.

"Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits, only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter, "it's hard to come up with many" findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated. "...All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute.""
All this says is that no one's found a specific gene linked to homosexuality, not that it isn't genetic.

It talks about 'heritable' vs. 'directly inherited'--but this doesn't matter, heritable may not be the same thing as directly inherited, but it still means something is genetic.

"At this point, the most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role."
"Any human behavior is going to be the result of complex intermingling of genetics and environment. It would be astonishing if it were not true for homosexuality."
Again, nothing that 'discredits' the study--just quotes confirming it's conclusion that homosexuality is caused by both genetic and nongenetic factors.
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6/28/2012 6:32:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:15:29 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:01:20 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 6/28/2012 5:59:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It's based on environmental factors that can be changed ONLY by therapy. It's unchangeable outside of that, so it's not really a choice.

Just environmental factors? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

That flawed study? It has been discredited multiple times. My opinion (in anothers words) is found here:

http://www.narth.com...

Hmm...16kadams may seem correct on this as numerous deficiencies/points of criticism have been identified, either in the failure to adhere to the scientific method--"the ideal genetic epidemiological study, which would involve systematic sampling from a well-specified population", self-selective bias issues through the recruitment of samples to subject experimental observation onto, and so forth.

The study, in attempting to demonstrate a contrast between the two sexual orientations, also must contend with the differences of accordance between the twins. For example, differences in masculinization can be explained by a disreprancy in the amount of testosterone received. Even so, differences in the environment within the womb may be factors.

However, I wouldn't say that environmental factors would not play a role but that, along with genetic, hormonal, etc. factors, may lead to a homosexual disposition.
So I'd disagree with you there, 16kadams.
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6/28/2012 6:33:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 6:26:01 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:19:51 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/28/2012 6:05:19 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:

Practically EVERY PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION has agreed on that point. As for the "conversion" camps/programs, those have been discredited ad nauseum by both psychologists and "converts" alike. They don't change orientation--they repress behavior and natural expression of a natural sexual orientation.

Appeal to authority fallacy. You also forget that those associations where mobbed and threatened. Gay advocates admit to harassing those organizations until they changed their opinion. Also no gay gene has been found outside poor early 1990s studies.

It's not necessarily a gene. Hormone deficiencies in the womb have been shown to have causal links to homosexuality.
http://www.tandfonline.com...

"Studies of men and women who experienced prenatal defects in hormone metabolism have not found a concurrent increase in homosexual behavior.
Overall, the data do not support a causal connection between hormones and human sexual orientation."

1995 -
Journal of Homosexuality article "Hormones and Sexual Orientation: A Questionable Link":

If you look at it all gay evidence was made in 2003 and before, or the bulk of it, and all those gay studies have been rebutted.

Proof or lame assertion? Going with the latter? Cool.

I'm on a phone, PM me and I can give details later. That way I remember to do it.


If anything you are just going off personal experience. It is environmental factors, and it's a FACT they contribute, and well accepted they are the main cause. (many scientists never voice that opinion until they retire, saying its natural means money so they go with it)

It's not well accepted that they're the main cause though. The whole point is that there isn't much that's really widely accepted.

I agree there is no consensus, but all the born gay theories are lacking. Maybe in 20 years I will agree, but not based on current data.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross