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Kleptin
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7/12/2012 3:37:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think the curse of a debater is the ability to very easily recognize bullsh*t.

I have a friend who labels all of his friends. I keep my debate life a deep dark secret from everyone I know, so I'm the "funny" one. When I finally got to hang out with the "smart" one, I thought we would get along pretty well. Problem is, he's a pretentious f-ing moron who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and even though he's a fun guy to chat with about other topics, he instinctively feeds on people telling him that he's profound and insightful.

My mask is well-established so I don't run the risk of snapping and pointing out his BS, thereby effectively ending two friendships because of my ego. However, it is annoying >.>

Anyone else have similar problems with recognizing BS arguments among people you don't want to anger or correct?
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7/12/2012 3:39:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 3:37:15 PM, Kleptin wrote:
I think the curse of a debater is the ability to very easily recognize bullsh*t.

I have a friend who labels all of his friends. I keep my debate life a deep dark secret from everyone I know, so I'm the "funny" one. When I finally got to hang out with the "smart" one, I thought we would get along pretty well. Problem is, he's a pretentious f-ing moron who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and even though he's a fun guy to chat with about other topics, he instinctively feeds on people telling him that he's profound and insightful.

My mask is well-established so I don't run the risk of snapping and pointing out his BS, thereby effectively ending two friendships because of my ego. However, it is annoying >.>

Anyone else have similar problems with recognizing BS arguments among people you don't want to anger or correct?

You sound naive and predictable.
Im not impressed with such primitive garbage.
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7/12/2012 3:41:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 3:39:56 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/12/2012 3:37:15 PM, Kleptin wrote:
I think the curse of a debater is the ability to very easily recognize bullsh*t.

I have a friend who labels all of his friends. I keep my debate life a deep dark secret from everyone I know, so I'm the "funny" one. When I finally got to hang out with the "smart" one, I thought we would get along pretty well. Problem is, he's a pretentious f-ing moron who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and even though he's a fun guy to chat with about other topics, he instinctively feeds on people telling him that he's profound and insightful.

My mask is well-established so I don't run the risk of snapping and pointing out his BS, thereby effectively ending two friendships because of my ego. However, it is annoying >.>

Anyone else have similar problems with recognizing BS arguments among people you don't want to anger or correct?

You sound naive and predictable.
Im not impressed with such primitive garbage.

LOL
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7/12/2012 3:49:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 3:39:56 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/12/2012 3:37:15 PM, Kleptin wrote:
I think the curse of a debater is the ability to very easily recognize bullsh*t.

I have a friend who labels all of his friends. I keep my debate life a deep dark secret from everyone I know, so I'm the "funny" one. When I finally got to hang out with the "smart" one, I thought we would get along pretty well. Problem is, he's a pretentious f-ing moron who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and even though he's a fun guy to chat with about other topics, he instinctively feeds on people telling him that he's profound and insightful.

My mask is well-established so I don't run the risk of snapping and pointing out his BS, thereby effectively ending two friendships because of my ego. However, it is annoying >.>

Anyone else have similar problems with recognizing BS arguments among people you don't want to anger or correct?

You sound naive and predictable.
Im not impressed with such primitive garbage.

Hehe, inferno calling someone naive, predictable, and primitive garbage.
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7/12/2012 3:59:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 3:51:05 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Not really. I'm always the smart one :D :D :D

I have no idea how that feels. I've always been the funny one or the silly one. I would imagine it's quite burdensome >.>
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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7/12/2012 4:06:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 3:49:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/12/2012 3:39:56 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/12/2012 3:37:15 PM, Kleptin wrote:
I think the curse of a debater is the ability to very easily recognize bullsh*t.

I have a friend who labels all of his friends. I keep my debate life a deep dark secret from everyone I know, so I'm the "funny" one. When I finally got to hang out with the "smart" one, I thought we would get along pretty well. Problem is, he's a pretentious f-ing moron who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and even though he's a fun guy to chat with about other topics, he instinctively feeds on people telling him that he's profound and insightful.

My mask is well-established so I don't run the risk of snapping and pointing out his BS, thereby effectively ending two friendships because of my ego. However, it is annoying >.>

Anyone else have similar problems with recognizing BS arguments among people you don't want to anger or correct?

You sound naive and predictable.
Im not impressed with such primitive garbage.

Hehe, inferno calling someone naive, predictable, and primitive garbage.

Hey, trolls gotta troll. Is inferno new to the site? I never saw him before. Trolls make things move.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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7/12/2012 4:10:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:08:09 PM, Kinesis wrote:
I don't have a friend like that. Which probably makes me 'that guy'. :( :(

Yeah, I really don't think it's a good idea to be "that guy". It makes for a lonely existence >.>

You get popular pretty quickly when you pass yourself off as stupid.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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7/12/2012 4:20:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There's a certain level of idiocy that I will tolerate, but if someone passes that point I won't hesitate to strike them down. That said I also happen to be one of the "funny" ones in the group and can recall several occurrences of me consciously suppressing the urge to call people out.
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7/12/2012 4:23:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:10:54 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:08:09 PM, Kinesis wrote:
I don't have a friend like that. Which probably makes me 'that guy'. :( :(

Yeah, I really don't think it's a good idea to be "that guy". It makes for a lonely existence >.>

You get popular pretty quickly when you pass yourself off as stupid.

Yeah.. being a humble and likable person goes a long way.. anyone who constantly acts like they are a genius (even if they are) just needs to hang around with smarter people more often..

Per this topic, I have several friends who love to rant constantly about specific topics they are passionate about, but that when challenged on, they don't really know how to defend the position very well. But they keep ranting about it when given the chance, and it gets very annoying because they usually fail to defend it well when challenged. I now tell them if they want to prove that what they are asserting is fact, they had better be prepared to formally debate it on DDO... I'm still waiting for them to create an account. In the mean time, they don't go on and on repeatedly about these topics as often.
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Kleptin
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7/12/2012 4:36:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:15:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Inferno has several identities on this site, including Alien, Interrogator, RoyalPaladin1, and Robot.

I don't know...a single one of those. I think I may have seen royalpaladin before...
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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7/12/2012 4:37:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I've been in both roles at different times with different people. The problem is if people think you're the smart one they're quick to call you pretentious if they come into disagreement with you (even if you didn't mean to fill such a role). When you're the funny one it just means dismissal in serious discussions. Neither role is perfect and they both carry with them good and bad aspects.
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7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.
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7/12/2012 4:44:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

LOL, stop whining. I wasn't giving you any b.s.; you were trolling me.
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7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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7/12/2012 4:44:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't have friends.
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7/12/2012 4:48:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.

Ya, I know. Btw, do you see an empty post above your own? No? I guess it's just a site error.
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7/12/2012 4:49:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.

Indeed. Professionally, and in ones personal life, having a decent threshold for dealing with, and tolerating BS, is entirely necessary.
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Kleptin
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7/12/2012 4:51:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:48:33 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.

Ya, I know. Btw, do you see an empty post above your own? No? I guess it's just a site error.

Actually, it's kind of awkward, I'll show you what it says.

At 7/12/2012 4:44:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

LOL, stop whining. I wasn't giving you any b.s.; its just that i kinda have these feelings for you and it was a bad time in my life. iunno.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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7/12/2012 4:53:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:51:52 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:48:33 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.

Ya, I know. Btw, do you see an empty post above your own? No? I guess it's just a site error.

Actually, it's kind of awkward, I'll show you what it says.


At 7/12/2012 4:44:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

LOL, stop whining. I wasn't giving you any b.s.; its just that i kinda have these feelings for you and it was a bad time in my life. iunno.

LOOOL
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7/12/2012 4:54:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:53:03 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:51:52 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:48:33 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.

Ya, I know. Btw, do you see an empty post above your own? No? I guess it's just a site error.

Actually, it's kind of awkward, I'll show you what it says.


At 7/12/2012 4:44:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

LOL, stop whining. I wasn't giving you any b.s.; its just that i kinda have these feelings for you and it was a bad time in my life. iunno.

WTF R U TELLING HIM THAT FOR? I KNEW HE COULDNT SEE IT

Calm down. I didn't know you knew you blocked him. If you wanted to tell him, tell him yourself. Christ.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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7/12/2012 4:55:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Everything makes sense now.
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)
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7/12/2012 4:56:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:54:45 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:53:03 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:51:52 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:48:33 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.

Ya, I know. Btw, do you see an empty post above your own? No? I guess it's just a site error.

Actually, it's kind of awkward, I'll show you what it says.


At 7/12/2012 4:44:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

LOL, stop whining. I wasn't giving you any b.s.; its just that i kinda have these feelings for you and it was a bad time in my life. iunno.

WTF R U TELLING HIM THAT FOR? I KNEW HE COULDNT SEE IT

Calm down. I didn't know you knew you blocked him. If you wanted to tell him, tell him yourself. Christ.

I love you too!
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)
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7/12/2012 4:57:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I block noone. And that is because I can take truth and that makes me strong.
Weak minds resort to tactics like blocking and running.
They have not guts and it is all self evident.
These clowns have yet to prove me wrong.
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7/12/2012 5:00:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:53:03 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:51:52 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:48:33 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:44:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I realized that as you get older, success is highly dependent on your ability to take BS from people.

Ya, I know. Btw, do you see an empty post above your own? No? I guess it's just a site error.

Actually, it's kind of awkward, I'll show you what it says.


At 7/12/2012 4:44:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

LOL, stop whining. I wasn't giving you any b.s.; its just that i kinda have these feelings for you and it was a bad time in my life. iunno.

Yes, it's true.....I love you......

Marry me?

Royal!

What will Thett say!?!?
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7/12/2012 5:01:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:57:48 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I block noone. And that is because I can take truth and that makes me strong.
Weak minds resort to tactics like blocking and running.
They have not guts and it is all self evident.
These clowns have yet to prove me wrong.

Even inferno looks down on you. LOL
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)
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7/12/2012 5:01:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/12/2012 4:57:48 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/12/2012 4:39:57 PM, MouthWash wrote:
I don't take BS from anybody. This led to royalpaladin blocking me.

I block noone. And that is because I can take truth and that makes me strong.
Weak minds resort to tactics like blocking and running.
They have not guts and it is all self evident.
These clowns have yet to prove me wrong.

Those who are really strong have a history of being proven wrong time and time again. You temper iron in a flame, sir, not on a shelf.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.