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7/18/2012 10:09:36 AM
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At 7/18/2012 9:38:57 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
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7/18/2012 12:21:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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I rarely engage in noob snipes, because I look down on that kind of thing.
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7/18/2012 12:22:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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7/18/2012 12:32:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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It's pretty lazy to quote things you disagree with, call it stupid and move on, rather than arguing with the person. -000ike
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7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.
You didn't build that-Obama
It's pretty lazy to quote things you disagree with, call it stupid and move on, rather than arguing with the person. -000ike
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7/18/2012 1:51:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.

If definitions aren't set in the First Round then the opponent can set their own definitions in Round One. That's how it always goes.
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7/18/2012 2:14:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 1:51:22 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.

If definitions aren't set in the First Round then the opponent can set their own definitions in Round One. That's how it always goes.

Disagree.
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7/18/2012 2:20:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 1:51:22 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.

If definitions aren't set in the First Round then the opponent can set their own definitions in Round One. That's how it always goes.

No it isn't. In a huge chunk of debates, a point of contention is the definition of some very open-ended words. (ex. What is justice? What is fairness?),...and so that definition is mixed into the debate, not asserted at the get-go. For any debater to impose a definition in Round 1 would be both disrespectful and inappropriate.
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7/18/2012 2:24:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:20:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:51:22 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.

If definitions aren't set in the First Round then the opponent can set their own definitions in Round One. That's how it always goes.

No it isn't. In a huge chunk of debates, a point of contention is the definition of some very open-ended words. (ex. What is justice? What is fairness?),...and so that definition is mixed into the debate, not asserted at the get-go. For any debater to impose a definition in Round 1 would be both disrespectful and inappropriate.

for example:

Resolution - The death penalty is unjust

Contender - "unjust is defined as something that deviates from the written law of Justice"... death penalty is part of the law, therefore it is just.

Surely you don't expect the instigator to tolerate that...much less be forced to go with it.
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7/18/2012 2:41:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:14:17 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:51:22 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.

If definitions aren't set in the First Round then the opponent can set their own definitions in Round One. That's how it always goes.

Disagree.

Here's how it goes. Normally the instigator makes a definition. That definition is the default definition so the contender has to argue a more fitting definition. If both definitions are fitting, it goes to the default definition which is the instigators. Both sides have a burden of proof in arguing the definition but the one arguing against the definition has the larger burden. If the one who accepts it proposes the first definition, then that definition is the default one and the instigator has to argue a different one. If it's unclear what the word means, such as if it has a double meaning with both meanings being equally plausible, then the first person who defines it has the better say. However if it's very obvious what it means, the accepter has no right to define it however he likes simply because the instigator didn't define it. The one who accepted the debate could only argue his different definition if it was justifiably plausible to read the resolution and automatically view the word that way. If I say make the res, "spam is annoying on the internet", the one who accepts cannot define spam as fish.

Imabench shouldn't have won.
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7/22/2012 3:05:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:41:37 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/18/2012 2:14:17 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:51:22 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.

If definitions aren't set in the First Round then the opponent can set their own definitions in Round One. That's how it always goes.

Disagree.

Here's how it goes. Normally the instigator makes a definition. That definition is the default definition so the contender has to argue a more fitting definition. If both definitions are fitting, it goes to the default definition which is the instigators. Both sides have a burden of proof in arguing the definition but the one arguing against the definition has the larger burden. If the one who accepts it proposes the first definition, then that definition is the default one and the instigator has to argue a different one. If it's unclear what the word means, such as if it has a double meaning with both meanings being equally plausible, then the first person who defines it has the better say. However if it's very obvious what it means, the accepter has no right to define it however he likes simply because the instigator didn't define it. The one who accepted the debate could only argue his different definition if it was justifiably plausible to read the resolution and automatically view the word that way. If I say make the res, "spam is annoying on the internet", the one who accepts cannot define spam as fish.

Imabench shouldn't have won.

Sorry to sound rude, but once again a case of knowledge overrides any assumption derived from a relatively linear experience.:-)
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7/22/2012 3:08:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:20:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:51:22 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:28:22 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:53:18 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
imabench

best noob snipe debate ever

http://www.debate.org...
It would be if PlanetTuTuT had failed to specify that the first round was for acceptance only. However (s)he did specify that.

If definitions aren't set in the First Round then the opponent can set their own definitions in Round One. That's how it always goes.

No it isn't. In a huge chunk of debates, a point of contention is the definition of some very open-ended words. (ex. What is justice? What is fairness?),...and so that definition is mixed into the debate, not asserted at the get-go. For any debater to impose a definition in Round 1 would be both disrespectful and inappropriate.

Yeah...it's odd to see how people assume that the failure to define a term suddenly, by some leap or line of reasoning, leads to the acceptance of the imposed definition without any sort of sub-debate on the appropriate condition and imposition of such a definition.
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau