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7/20/2012 4:55:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Looking at the demographics of the page, we can see who the real "oppressed minority" is on DDO.

Conservative - 17%
Liberal - 16%
Undecided - 14%
Libertarian - 10%

These are the top idealogies. According to this, conservatives do outnumber liberals by only 1 percent! a far cry from the "oppressed minority" to whoever states they are.

This does not take into account the ratio of active members vs. inactive members. When weeding out the active members from the inactive members, what are the real percentages?

**Also, why is libertarian party at 0% when I'm libertarian party along with 20 other members?***
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7/20/2012 4:57:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Active members =/= total members.

-end thread
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7/20/2012 4:59:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 4:57:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
Active members =/= total members.

-end thread

Mind making statistics for active members? 'cause these are the best that we will get. Furthermore, there is no reason why similar numbers can't be true for the active members.
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7/20/2012 5:09:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 4:59:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 4:57:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
Active members =/= total members.

-end thread

Mind making statistics for active members? 'cause these are the best that we will get. Furthermore, there is no reason why similar numbers can't be true for the active members.

Conservatives online before the last two days - 45

Liberals - 28

Um, yup.
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7/20/2012 5:17:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 5:09:37 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 4:59:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 4:57:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
Active members =/= total members.

-end thread

Mind making statistics for active members? 'cause these are the best that we will get. Furthermore, there is no reason why similar numbers can't be true for the active members.

Conservatives online before the last two days - 45

Liberals - 28

Um, yup.

Darn you, I just did that and got the numbers for all ideologies.

Taking out the "not sayings" and "undecideds" we find that based on activity (those active within the last 3 days), we have...

1) Conservatives, 51 or 22.87%
2) Libertarians, 34 or 15.25%
3) Liberals, 31 or 13.90%
4) Moderates, 30 or 13.45%
5) Others, 27 or 12.11%
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7/20/2012 5:19:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 5:09:37 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 4:59:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 4:57:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
Active members =/= total members.

-end thread

Mind making statistics for active members? 'cause these are the best that we will get. Furthermore, there is no reason why similar numbers can't be true for the active members.

Conservatives online before the last two days - 45

Liberals - 28

Um, yup.

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7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"
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7/20/2012 7:34:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

I love how you only adjust the liberal stats while not right-wing. Libertarians are mostly right-wing and are the second most active according to oreles stats. It's absurd to only count conservatives as right wing.
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7/20/2012 7:34:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

And "conservatives" are the only right wing members, lol.

Lets add the libertarians and anarchists to the right and we get.

Right wing - 102
Left wing - 57
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7/20/2012 7:35:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

You're really starting to piss me off...

Name the 11 progressives that actively argue in the forums. Go.
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7/20/2012 7:35:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:34:45 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

I love how you only adjust the liberal stats while not right-wing. Libertarians are mostly right-wing and are the second most active according to oreles stats. It's absurd to only count conservatives as right wing.

He enjoys cherry picking data, it makes it easier for him to believe what he believes.
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7/20/2012 7:37:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:35:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

You're really starting to piss me off...

Name the 11 progressives that actively argue in the forums. Go.

http://www.debate.org...

Stephen_Hawkings
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7/20/2012 7:39:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:37:50 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:35:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

You're really starting to piss me off...

Name the 11 progressives that actively argue in the forums. Go.

http://www.debate.org...

Stephen_Hawkings
Frederick53
Unitedandy
Contra
bbowhan
bluebbb9
inferno
Osiris123
mbglassey
XimenBao
HonestDiscussioner
oh wow, I stand corrected. Though I've never heard of 5 of them.
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7/20/2012 7:39:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:37:50 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:35:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

You're really starting to piss me off...

Name the 11 progressives that actively argue in the forums. Go.

http://www.debate.org...

Stephen_Hawkings
Frederick53
Unitedandy
Contra
bbowhan
bluebbb9
inferno
Osiris123
mbglassey
XimenBao
HonestDiscussioner

Boom
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7/20/2012 7:42:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Of the list only Frederick, Unitedandy, and Contra even mention progressivism in the forms. And some of the other members you listed don't even so much as debate it.

But I digress, we're in agreement, there is an obvious rightwing majority (not that I'm complaining).
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7/20/2012 7:42:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:39:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:37:50 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:35:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

You're really starting to piss me off...

Name the 11 progressives that actively argue in the forums. Go.

http://www.debate.org...

Stephen_Hawkings
Frederick53
Unitedandy
Contra
bbowhan
bluebbb9
inferno
Osiris123
mbglassey
XimenBao
HonestDiscussioner
oh wow, I stand corrected. Though I've never heard of 5 of them.

Of course, this only shows those that have logged on in the last 72 hours. They may not have actually argued anything. But I'm not going through to see which have posted a forum post or debate argument within that 72 hours (because I'd have to do it for all).
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7/20/2012 7:44:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:34:45 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

I love how you only adjust the liberal stats while not right-wing. Libertarians are mostly right-wing and are the second most active according to oreles stats. It's absurd to only count conservatives as right wing.

If we are talking about economic, then I agree. However libertarians are liberal in regards to social matters.

I think there is enough of a disconnect between conservatives and libertarians to separate them.
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7/20/2012 7:45:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:42:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Of the list only Frederick, Unitedandy, and Contra even mention progressivism in the forms. And some of the other members you listed don't even so much as debate it.

But I digress, we're in agreement, there is an obvious rightwing majority (not that I'm complaining).

For the first paragraph, yes but there are many conservatives counted that don't debate their ideology as well. It applies to all ideologies.
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7/20/2012 7:47:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:44:44 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:34:45 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

I love how you only adjust the liberal stats while not right-wing. Libertarians are mostly right-wing and are the second most active according to oreles stats. It's absurd to only count conservatives as right wing.

If we are talking about economic, then I agree. However libertarians are liberal in regards to social matters.

I think there is enough of a disconnect between conservatives and libertarians to separate them.

But none on the left? There is substantial economic differences between liberal and socialist or communist. Heck, the only "labor" is Socialpinko, and he is AnCom (I believe this is still correct).
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7/20/2012 7:47:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:44:44 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:34:45 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

I love how you only adjust the liberal stats while not right-wing. Libertarians are mostly right-wing and are the second most active according to oreles stats. It's absurd to only count conservatives as right wing.

If we are talking about economic, then I agree. However libertarians are liberal in regards to social matters.

I think there is enough of a disconnect between conservatives and libertarians to separate them.

But most libertarians are still right-wingers and it's unfair to count all the other ideologies as left-wing without taking into account libertarians.
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7/20/2012 7:48:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:42:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Of the list only Frederick, Unitedandy, and Contra even mention progressivism in the forms. And some of the other members you listed don't even so much as debate it.

But I digress, we're in agreement, there is an obvious rightwing majority (not that I'm complaining).

Heck I haven't even seen Unitedandy in a few weeks.
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7/20/2012 8:12:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
AnCom should be in the left-wing...
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7/20/2012 8:15:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:12:31 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
AnCom should be in the left-wing...

It is, I'm merely saying that the labels can be inaccurate.
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7/20/2012 8:18:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:47:58 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:44:44 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:34:45 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

I love how you only adjust the liberal stats while not right-wing. Libertarians are mostly right-wing and are the second most active according to oreles stats. It's absurd to only count conservatives as right wing.

If we are talking about economic, then I agree. However libertarians are liberal in regards to social matters.

I think there is enough of a disconnect between conservatives and libertarians to separate them.

But most libertarians are still right-wingers and it's unfair to count all the other ideologies as left-wing without taking into account libertarians.

http://www.debate.org...

Here was the self reporting libertarians on DDO back in late 2011 (I did not do an ideological break down in early 2012, sorry). Clearly, the vast majority are right-wing.

We can also see that most Anarchists were right wing as well.

http://www.debate.org...

We should note that these are old, so can only provide a rough idea of how the different parties break down. They have changed over the last year, but not too much.
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7/20/2012 8:26:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:18:03 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:47:58 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:44:44 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:34:45 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

I love how you only adjust the liberal stats while not right-wing. Libertarians are mostly right-wing and are the second most active according to oreles stats. It's absurd to only count conservatives as right wing.

If we are talking about economic, then I agree. However libertarians are liberal in regards to social matters.

I think there is enough of a disconnect between conservatives and libertarians to separate them.

But most libertarians are still right-wingers and it's unfair to count all the other ideologies as left-wing without taking into account libertarians.

http://www.debate.org...

Here was the self reporting libertarians on DDO back in late 2011 (I did not do an ideological break down in early 2012, sorry). Clearly, the vast majority are right-wing.

We can also see that most Anarchists were right wing as well.

http://www.debate.org...

We should note that these are old, so can only provide a rough idea of how the different parties break down. They have changed over the last year, but not too much.

I don't know about the US, but here in Canada -generally speaking- the Green party does not fit into the spectrum based on their platform, however because most of them on social policy and fiscal policy make their decisions on a case-by-case basis, we find here their 'General Will' is more right wing. Although some differ, we do not have them on our spectrum.
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7/21/2012 1:47:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 7:30:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
These statistics are assuming that liberals are the only left wings on this website. For example, my research into recently active people shows this:

Conservative- 51

Liberal- 31

Communist- 3

Socialist- 9

Labor- 1

Green- 2

Progressive- 11

___________

Right Wing- 51

Left Wing- 57

What was that about "oppressed minority?"

Rofl @ the need to combine 5 radically different ideologies (ignoring how radically different the different factions of liberalism are in itself) to challenge the conservative hegemony. Anyway, the point is that the majority of the intelligentsia are liberals - or at the least left wing - while the working public & corporations are right-wing in Anglican countries. Further, the politicians being an even keel with around half for an ideology and half for "get into office" mentality, it's a matter of influence, really.
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7/21/2012 5:18:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Who ever complained that Conservatives were an oppressed minority?

Also, when I joined up a year ago, there were a lot less conservatives than there are now. The numbers are growing!