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# Improve the Debate Statistics Chart

 Posts: 49 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/21/2012 11:01:23 PMPosted: 5 years agoThe Debate Statistics Chart Can Be Improved to Distinguish Between Different Kinds of Debates, Wins, Losses, and Ties:Seeing that a debater has partaken in thirty debates, for example, is interesting, but it would be even more interesting if one could see how many of those debates were instigated by the debater, and how many of them were contended.Seeing that a debater has won twenty of those debates is also interesting, but it would be even more interesting if one could see how many of those debates were won due to the debater gaining the most points after votes on a full debate (I call these "full" wins), and how many were won due to the debater gaining the most points after a debate in which the opponent forfeited or conceded the debate. (I call these "opponent-conceded" wins).The same goes for losing. Did a debater lose after a full debate, or did he concede or forfeit the debate.And there are three different ways to tie a debate as well. Some debaters tie a debate because the amount of points totaled after the voting period in which people voted ends is the same (I call this a "true" tie). However, occasionally debaters will tie a debate because no one votes on the debate and so the total of points can only be zero for each, resulting in a tie (I call this a "false #1" tie). And then there are cases in which one debater concedes and forfeits the debate, and yet because no one votes, the debate is still declared a tie (I call this a false #2 tie). It would be interesting to know how many of a debater's ties were true, how many were false #1's and how many were false #2's. Perhaps the tie distinction I have just pointed out is the most important. A debater may have argued brilliantly and obviously refuted his opponent and yet he will not be declared the winner if no one votes. This seems unfair and most voters would feel cheated in some sense. But the debate statistics chart can alleviate the problem by pointing out if the tie was not genuine.I think the debate statistics chart should look something like this:DEBATE STATISTICSdebates (total)-instigated-contendedwon (total)-full-opponent-conceded/forfeitedlost (total)-full-self-conceded/forfeitedtied (total)-true-false (#1)-false (#2)win ratiopercentile
 Posts: 1,637 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/21/2012 11:07:04 PMPosted: 5 years agoWhy don't you just go rewrite the entire website's code for them?Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
 Posts: 14,314 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/22/2012 2:48:06 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/21/2012 11:07:04 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:Why don't you just go rewrite the entire website's code for them?Want to debate? Pick a topic and hit me up! - http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 4,656 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/22/2012 5:10:46 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/22/2012 2:48:06 AM, Zaradi wrote:At 8/21/2012 11:07:04 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:Why don't you just go rewrite the entire website's code for them?Rules of Mafia 1. Mestari is never third party. 2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth. 3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town. 3b. If he doesn't he's mafia. 3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place. 4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role. 5. DP1 lynches are good. 6. The answer is always no.
 Posts: 8,293 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/22/2012 6:07:42 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/22/2012 5:10:46 AM, Mestari wrote:At 8/22/2012 2:48:06 AM, Zaradi wrote:At 8/21/2012 11:07:04 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:Why don't you just go rewrite the entire website's code for them?No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world.
 Posts: 49 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/22/2012 1:30:48 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/21/2012 11:07:04 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:Why don't you just go rewrite the entire website's code for them?I'd love to. Show me how.
 Posts: 4,731 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2012 9:17:52 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/22/2012 6:07:42 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 8/22/2012 5:10:46 AM, Mestari wrote:At 8/22/2012 2:48:06 AM, Zaradi wrote:At 8/21/2012 11:07:04 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:Why don't you just go rewrite the entire website's code for them?
 Posts: 21,947 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2012 9:18:50 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/23/2012 9:17:52 PM, vmpire321 wrote:At 8/22/2012 6:07:42 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 8/22/2012 5:10:46 AM, Mestari wrote:At 8/22/2012 2:48:06 AM, Zaradi wrote:At 8/21/2012 11:07:04 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:Why don't you just go rewrite the entire website's code for them?DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015 Internet Missing Person Alert: Angsty teen with daddy issues who is a failed horse rapist and also may be a cross-dresser. If spotted, please contact your local animal control or whatever disease-control organization is close by so they may return the species back to its garbage container habitat.
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2012 9:28:15 PMPosted: 5 years agoIn all sobriety, is there a need to describe the specifics for win and losses, CriticalThinkingMachine?"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 49 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2012 11:19:24 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/23/2012 9:28:15 PM, Man-is-good wrote:In all sobriety, is there a need to describe the specifics for win and losses, CriticalThinkingMachine?In all sobriety, did I ever say there was a need to describe the specific wins and losses? No, so please stop overstating my points. All I am doing is making logical suggestions that I believe would make the site look more professional as well as benefit the members of the site. What is so hard for you to understand about this, man-is-good?
 Posts: 49 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 12:17:39 AMPosted: 5 years agoThat was NOT NICE CTM. Go to your room and think about what you've done.I feel so ashamed...so ashamed.
 Posts: 49 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 12:22:11 AMPosted: 5 years agoI'm starting to think that man-is-good has a family member who works for this website. Why else would he feel the need to criticize my extremely uncontroversial comments?
 Posts: 21,947 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 12:35:46 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/24/2012 12:22:11 AM, CriticalThinkingMachine wrote:I'm starting to think that man-is-good has a family member who works for this website. Why else would he feel the need to criticize my extremely uncontroversial comments?Maybe it's because he disagrees with them? it's called DEBATE.org not Agreewithsomeoneelsesopinionsthatyoureallydontagreewithbecauseifyoudosomeonemighttakeitpersonally.orgDDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015 Internet Missing Person Alert: Angsty teen with daddy issues who is a failed horse rapist and also may be a cross-dresser. If spotted, please contact your local animal control or whatever disease-control organization is close by so they may return the species back to its garbage container habitat.
 Posts: 49 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 12:56:30 AMPosted: 5 years agoMaybe it's because he disagrees with them? it's called DEBATE.org not Agreewithsomeoneelsesopinionsthatyoureallydontagreewithbecauseifyoudosomeonemighttakeitpersonally.orgI know. But he has provided no reasons for his disagreement with them. That's why I made my sarcastic comment.
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 2:24:06 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/23/2012 11:46:20 PM, imabench wrote:At 8/23/2012 11:19:24 PM, CriticalThinkingMachine wrote:At 8/23/2012 9:28:15 PM, Man-is-good wrote:In all sobriety, is there a need to describe the specifics for win and losses, CriticalThinkingMachine?In all sobriety, did I ever say there was a need to describe the specific wins and losses? No, so please stop overstating my points. All I am doing is making logical suggestions that I believe would make the site look more professional as well as benefit the members of the site. What is so hard for you to understand about this, man-is-good?That was NOT NICE CTM.Go to your room and think about what you've doneActually, I meant in categorizing or distinguishing between such wins and losses when I meant "describe"...But as to the point, good sir,Is there a sense of necessity that you can identify in the currents of DDO? I do suppose the professional part however is certainly well, but unfortunately I'll have to ask: at what expense//or for the expense of convenience???"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 2:35:01 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/24/2012 12:22:11 AM, CriticalThinkingMachine wrote:I'm starting to think that man-is-good has a family member who works for this website. Why else would he feel the need to criticize my extremely uncontroversial comments?Lol, so a question becomes criticism and even, at least in my perspective, moderate criticism, becomes such."Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 2:38:29 AMPosted: 5 years agoAnd please stop attacking those who disagree with you, especially when stating that they lack critical thinking.It is a debate site after all, and I am not required to agree with you, let alone follow your instructions and heed your counsel for the site (especially due to a disagreement)...not to imply that you have explicitly called for such, though your unremitting attack against your "critics", as in my case, is becoming a more ostensible example of such."Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 2:40:50 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/24/2012 12:56:30 AM, CriticalThinkingMachine wrote:Maybe it's because he disagrees with them? it's called DEBATE.org not Agreewithsomeoneelsesopinionsthatyoureallydontagreewithbecauseifyoudosomeonemighttakeitpersonally.orgI know. But he has provided no reasons for his disagreement with them. That's why I made my sarcastic comment.That is true, but unfortunately, neither did you seek to explore the reasons behind my (actually moderate) disagreement...before making that sarcastic remark.Quite the conduct, sir."Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 2:41:17 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/24/2012 2:40:50 AM, Man-is-good wrote:At 8/24/2012 12:56:30 AM, CriticalThinkingMachine wrote:Maybe it's because he disagrees with them? it's called DEBATE.org not Agreewithsomeoneelsesopinionsthatyoureallydontagreewithbecauseifyoudosomeonemighttakeitpersonally.orgI know. But he has provided no reasons for his disagreement with them. That's why I made my sarcastic comment.That is true, but unfortunately,you did not seek to explore the reasons behind my (actually moderate) disagreement...before making that sarcastic remark.Quite the conduct, sir.Fixed/amended."Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 2:45:27 AMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/24/2012 2:38:29 AM, Man-is-good wrote:And please stop attacking those who disagree with you, especially when stating that they lack critical thinking.It is a debate site after all, and I am not required to agree with you, let alone follow your instructions and heed your counsel for the site (especially due to a disagreement)...not to imply that you have explicitly called for such, though your unremitting attack against your "critics", as in my case, is becoming a more ostensible example of such.P"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 2:46:23 AMPosted: 5 years agoI should also note, CTM, that I've tried to be a bit genial (don't know if that rubbed off as being belligerent, as another member may proclaim) and am still trying to be, lol.And as for the matter, I wonder if the fact that I voted against you has anything to do with this; if not, all is fine--hopefully. Just a curious thought. :-)"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 58 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2012 9:22:44 AMPosted: 5 years agoThank you for your input. We will consider all of your suggestions. However, as of now, the way the code is written it would be impossible to easily implement some of those ideas. We are more concentrated on other things including a new ELO leader board, while still keeping the old.debates (total)In place-instigatedpossible fix-contendedpossible fixwon (total)In place-fullNot feasible now separating from conceded-opponent-conceded/forfeitedNot feasible nowlost (total)In place-fullNot feasible now separating from conceded-self-conceded/forfeitedNot feasible nowtied (total)In place-trueNot feasible now separating from conceded-false (#1)possible fix-false (#2)Not feasible nowwin ratioIn placepercentileIn placeAdditionally with your train of thought you forgot to break up the conditions of false #2 for the concede-d and concede-rYou have good ideas but not all are really possible in this stage of development.I encourage you and anyone else to keep posting ideas and fixes to the site in this forumThanks!
 Posts: 49 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/27/2012 1:33:19 AMPosted: 5 years ago"...And as for the matter, I wonder if the fact that I voted against you has anything to do with this; if not, all is fine--hopefully. Just a curious thought. :-)"To what are you referring when you use the word "this"? My self-defense. No, it has nothing to do with the fact that you voted against me, even with what I believe are aweful reasons. It has to do with the fact that I enjoy defending myself.And please don't tell me to not attack people who disagree with me when that is exactly what you have been doing to me. I don't appreciate hypocrisy, and I never said that anyone lacked critical thinking. You just made that up.
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/27/2012 2:53:06 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/27/2012 1:33:19 AM, CriticalThinkingMachine wrote:"...And as for the matter, I wonder if the fact that I voted against you has anything to do with this; if not, all is fine--hopefully. Just a curious thought. :-)"To what are you referring when you use the word "this"?The entire tensions between us...My self-defense. No, it has nothing to do with the fact that you voted against me, even with what I believe are aweful reasons. It has to do with the fact that I enjoy defending myself.I'll leave the decision of whether or not my vote was credible to other members...However, if you wish, we can debate about that vote, if you're going to insist that I provided poor and awful reasons behind my decision...And please don't tell me to not attack people who disagree with me when that is exactly what you have been doing to me.To be fair, I have not actually attacked you except for bordering near and near the line of vituperation. And it's clearly not the case since I'm not the one defending myself...in the entirety.I don't appreciate hypocrisy, and I never said that anyone lacked critical thinking. You just made that up.Fighting Falcon pretty much took the words out of my mouth. It's nice to find someone else who likes to think critically. http://www.debate.org...Now, while it is certainly true that you did not say directly, it is however quite obvious that you implied that your dissenters, as opposed to those who agreed with you--such as F-16--did lack critical thinking..."Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/27/2012 2:59:25 PMPosted: 5 years agoI may be the most vocal opponent so far, but then again I was also targeted the most --barring others such as Wiploc--by you, CriticalThinkingMachine."Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/27/2012 3:10:48 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/27/2012 2:53:06 PM, Man-is-good wrote:At 8/27/2012 1:33:19 AM, CriticalThinkingMachine wrote:"...And as for the matter, I wonder if the fact that I voted against you has anything to do with this; if not, all is fine--hopefully. Just a curious thought. :-)"To what are you referring when you use the word "this"?The entire tensions between us...My self-defense. No, it has nothing to do with the fact that you voted against me, even with what I believe are aweful reasons. It has to do with the fact that I enjoy defending myself.I'll leave the decision of whether or not my vote was credible to other members...However, if you wish, we can debate about that vote, if you're going to insist that I provided poor and awful reasons behind my decision...And please don't tell me to not attack people who disagree with me when that is exactly what you have been doing to me.To be fair, I have not actually attacked you except for bordering near and near the line of vituperation. And it's clearly not the case since I'm not the one defending myself...in the entirety.I don't appreciate hypocrisy, and I never said that anyone lacked critical thinking. You just made that up.Fighting Falcon pretty much took the words out of my mouth. It's nice to find someone else who likes to think critically. http://www.debate.org...Now, while it is certainly true that you did not say directly, it is however quite obvious that you implied that your dissenters, as opposed to those who agreed with you--such as F-16--did lack critical thinking...Or to be semantically precise--they were not prone to thinking critically..."Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/28/2012 4:06:18 PMPosted: 5 years agoAnd I'll be willing to make amends with you, CTM...unless you want to continue defending yourself. :)"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
 Posts: 670 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/28/2012 4:23:11 PMPosted: 5 years agoMiG hes a friend of mine irl, plz make amends :)
 Posts: 6,871 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/28/2012 4:28:44 PMPosted: 5 years agoAt 8/28/2012 4:23:11 PM, CiRrK wrote:MiG hes a friend of mine irl, plz make amends :)It's diplomacy at process, CiRrK. I'm new at being tactful with my proceedings, and as you can see--I wasn't too successful in neutralizing the aggressive party here from waging full war. ;)"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence "I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau