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imabench
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9/4/2012 5:37:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I need the opinions of DDO'ers to gauge what they think would be a better change for DDO

1) Raising the character limit to 10k or 15k
2) Removing the character limit completely
3) Making it so that sources do not count at character space

I personally prefer the third choice but I would like to hear about which one you would prefer the most.
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9/4/2012 5:49:16 PM
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One MAYBE...
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9/4/2012 6:01:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/4/2012 5:42:46 PM, Zaradi wrote:
One, simply because three seems not very plausible.

At first, I read that as the "one does not simply" meme and it confused me.
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9/4/2012 6:08:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/4/2012 5:37:06 PM, imabench wrote:
I need the opinions of DDO'ers to gauge what they think would be a better change for DDO

1) Raising the character limit to 10k or 15k
2) Removing the character limit completely
3) Making it so that sources do not count at character space

I personally prefer the third choice but I would like to hear about which one you would prefer the most.

The first choice would be interesting, I mean as debaters, sure people would like it. But how about the voters? You're basically giving them another page or so to read and decide about.

Two is just unfair to those who have to read the debate. And chances are less people will read the debates.

Three would be very cool! It would just be difficult to implement.
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9/4/2012 6:14:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/4/2012 6:10:07 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
The third one.

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9/4/2012 7:12:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/4/2012 5:37:06 PM, imabench wrote:
I need the opinions of DDO'ers to gauge what they think would be a better change for DDO

1) Raising the character limit to 10k or 15k
2) Removing the character limit completely
3) Making it so that sources do not count at character space

I personally prefer the third choice but I would like to hear about which one you would prefer the most.

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9/4/2012 7:52:18 PM
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At 9/4/2012 5:37:06 PM, imabench wrote:
I need the opinions of DDO'ers to gauge what they think would be a better change for DDO

1) Raising the character limit to 10k or 15k
2) Removing the character limit completely
3) Making it so that sources do not count at character space

I personally prefer the third choice but I would like to hear about which one you would prefer the most.

3 and only 3.
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9/4/2012 10:11:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Certainly 3 and most likely 1 (12k most likely).

I think some things cannot be explained simply in 8k and when your points are so underdeveloped they need addition.
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9/4/2012 10:14:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/4/2012 5:37:06 PM, imabench wrote:
I need the opinions of DDO'ers to gauge what they think would be a better change for DDO

1) Raising the character limit to 10k or 15k

This

2) Removing the character limit completely

No, to much spam would be invited.

3) Making it so that sources do not count at character space

Unfair to people who cite books...

Wait! Solution!

Make the sig box type thing, like on the on forums, be on debates and that's where you put references!!!!


I personally prefer the third choice but I would like to hear about which one you would prefer the most.
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9/5/2012 12:30:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Very few people read debates of five rounds of 8K characters. Raise the counts and no one but the person who wrote it will read it. I promise I won't read any epic-sized debate.

Not counting source the characters in source links is fairly easy. The html is already recognized so it can be made into a click-through link. The recognized links cn just be subtracted from the character count. Doing so is a good idea because it encourages using sources and it saves the effort of fooling around with tinyurl.com. Debaters who use more sources shouldn't be penalized by having fewer text characters.
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9/5/2012 12:48:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/4/2012 5:37:06 PM, imabench wrote:
I need the opinions of DDO'ers to gauge what they think would be a better change for DDO

1) Raising the character limit to 10k or 15k
2) Removing the character limit completely
3) Making it so that sources do not count at character space

I personally prefer the third choice but I would like to hear about which one you would prefer the most.

Only the third choice. Considering how members are often adverse to reading 5 round, 8000-character debates, it's best to say that it presents an even more formidable bloc to the voting here; I should also say that, assuming the debaters particularly--and fully exploit it, will likely be strained: the massive content demands immense explication, precision of statement and potential, frequent reference to subtler points within the debate, recapitulations of former arguments and contention, and so forth.

Debaters can learn how to write well just by economizing and adapting to the given character limit (unless economy and clarity can also be achieved at higher character limits). That's all. :)
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9/5/2012 11:58:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 1:12:44 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Yeah, just add a separate input for source links/citations, and have it post like...


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Sources:
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And if you post more then sources in there you lose
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9/5/2012 3:11:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
you guys need to work within the character space given. 8000 charcters is 8000 characters period. The limit is already long enough and hardly anyone reads fully completed 8000 character debates so to increase it will decrease voters.

the limit teaches that there are limits, it is actually part of the challenge to make a concise, coherent, and powerful argument. More character space means mroe fluff.
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9/5/2012 5:06:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Three, mainly, and possibly a 10K character limit, but *ONLY* 10K character limit. And possibly the ability to edit one's posts outside the games forum.