Total Posts:29|Showing Posts:1-29
Jump to topic:

OFFICIAL: Enhancements to Forum Quoting

SObszanski
Posts: 102
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 10:24:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Good morning, DDO"ers!

According to our recent poll on future enhancements (http://www.debate.org...), the forums section of the site is one of the main areas where you would like to see improvement.

To get this process rolling, we would like to acquire your feedback on how to handle quoting in the forums.

As of right now, quoting other users in forum threads adds unnecessary scrolling and additional forum pages. For an example, see the forum thread here: http://www.debate.org...

What is the best way to redesign the forum quoting structure? If you can provide specific examples, such as links to and screenshots of particular sites, that would be most beneficial to us. For instance, WallStreetAthiest referred us to the forums on the Ludwig von Mises Institute website. He provided us with a link to their forums (http://mises.org...), and I have created a screenshot (photo) of exactly what their quoting structure looks like. You can see that screenshot here: http://d.pr...

We recommend using the free program droplr (https://droplr.com...) to take and share images of a specific web page (as I have done above). Even hand-drawn pictures work, and you can share these via links with other free services such as TinyPic (http://tinypic.com...). Please PM me if you would like to send us photos a different way.

Thanks!
Suzanne
AlwaysMoreThanYou
Posts: 2,900
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
imabench
Posts: 21,230
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 10:31:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.

+1
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 10:39:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:24:44 AM, SObszanski wrote:
As of right now, quoting other users in forum threads adds unnecessary scrolling and additional forum pages. For an example, see the forum thread here: http://www.debate.org...
What do you mean by that? The limit-per-page is not based on the amount of text or quotes, but the amount of posts.
SObszanski
Posts: 102
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 10:53:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:39:29 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/27/2012 10:24:44 AM, SObszanski wrote:
As of right now, quoting other users in forum threads adds unnecessary scrolling and additional forum pages. For an example, see the forum thread here: http://www.debate.org...
What do you mean by that? The limit-per-page is not based on the amount of text or quotes, but the amount of posts.

True. Perhaps the "additional forum pages" part is misleading. The main issue is that excessive quoting, especially quoting of quotes, tends to result in unnecessarily large blocks of text being repeated over and over again.
Stephen_Hawkins
Posts: 5,316
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 11:22:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

Social Contract Theory debate: http://www.debate.org...
Stephen_Hawkins
Posts: 5,316
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 11:25:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:53:13 AM, SObszanski wrote:
True. Perhaps the "additional forum pages" part is misleading. The main issue is that excessive quoting, especially quoting of quotes, tends to result in unnecessarily large blocks of text being repeated over and over again.

That happens on their site as well. The point is, though, you just delete the unnecessary rubbish beforehand. Like I did.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

Social Contract Theory debate: http://www.debate.org...
phantom
Posts: 6,774
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 11:26:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 11:22:00 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.
"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 12:11:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:53:13 AM, SObszanski wrote:
True. Perhaps the "additional forum pages" part is misleading. The main issue is that excessive quoting, especially quoting of quotes, tends to result in unnecessarily large blocks of text being repeated over and over again.
Let the quoted text appear smaller.
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 12:17:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The quote system is the most simple and user-friendly I've seen, so I'd rather not see it being changed. Also, what you said here, "quoting other users in forum threads adds unnecessary scrolling" is also wrong. Text scaling depends upon your browser and its settings, and you can zoom in/out regardless. So, none of the points you raised are worth discussing.
GeoLaureate8
Posts: 12,252
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 12:30:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 11:25:36 AWwwM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
That happens on their site as well. The point is, though, you just delete the unnecessary rubbish beforehand. Like I did.

But many people don't and won't do it and it's annoying.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
GeoLaureate8
Posts: 12,252
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 12:39:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The best quoting systems I've seen eliminate all excess quotes and displays only the material directly quoted. That way you only see the most recently quoted rather than a big long string of quote quoting quotes quoting quotes.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
Maikuru
Posts: 9,112
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 12:59:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 12:39:09 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The best quoting systems I've seen eliminate all excess quotes and displays only the material directly quoted. That way you only see the most recently quoted rather than a big long string of quote quoting quotes quoting quotes.

Agreed. When replying to a post, I would prefer there be either no quotes or quotes of only the newly added text. Huge text blocks of the beginnings of a conversation are unnecessary, ugly, and do require more scrolling.
"You assume I wouldn't want to burn this whole place to the ground."
- lamerde

https://i.imgflip.com...
Ren
Posts: 7,102
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 4:17:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A link that simply navigates to the post itself (placing the post at the top of the page) wouldn't be that difficult, would it? The problem may be navigating back, though, unless one could specifically make this page navigation an event in the browser's history, and one could then just press "back."

The link could display as "@username," so one could follow the conversation and understand to whom the reply refers.

So, it would look something like this.

Whome123
Posted: 3 days ago 9/21/2012 5:37:24 PM
This is my opinion, and you will agree, so help me God.

Yesyou789
Posted: 1 day ago 9/23/2012 3:12:18 PM
[link]@Whome123[/link] (this displays automatically as a result of hitting "reply") Your opinion is false and your God is dead.

The only problem I see with this is that a very common practice in the heat of more engaging arguments is users interspersing replies throughout a quote to approach individual points. It was something unique to this site, which was charming, but I will admit that it was also utilized to discombobulate an argument. So, perhaps that minor element wouldn't be a real loss.
OberHerr
Posts: 13,062
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 4:42:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I really don't want there to be any changes. It's fine how it is. I've heard very few people actually complain about this, and the best solution would be to spread awareness of deleting the mass amount of quotes. It helps me get the gist of the conversation without having to read through the whole thread aswell. THIS, is perhaps the last thing I would want changed.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-OBERHERR'S SIGNATURE-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-

Official Enforcer for the DDO Elite(if they existed).

"Cases are anti-town." - FourTrouble

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
OberHerr
Posts: 13,062
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 4:43:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 11:26:09 AM, phantom wrote:
At 9/27/2012 11:22:00 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-OBERHERR'S SIGNATURE-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-

Official Enforcer for the DDO Elite(if they existed).

"Cases are anti-town." - FourTrouble

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
Lordknukle
Posts: 12,788
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 4:45:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Posts: 18,324
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 11:02:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:24:44 AM, SObszanski wrote:
Good morning, DDO"ers!

According to our recent poll on future enhancements (http://www.debate.org...), the forums section of the site is one of the main areas where you would like to see improvement.

To get this process rolling, we would like to acquire your feedback on how to handle quoting in the forums.

As of right now, quoting other users in forum threads adds unnecessary scrolling and additional forum pages. For an example, see the forum thread here: http://www.debate.org...

What is the best way to redesign the forum quoting structure? If you can provide specific examples, such as links to and screenshots of particular sites, that would be most beneficial to us. For instance, WallStreetAthiest referred us to the forums on the Ludwig von Mises Institute website. He provided us with a link to their forums (http://mises.org...), and I have created a screenshot (photo) of exactly what their quoting structure looks like. You can see that screenshot here: http://d.pr...


No, that is terrible. DDO's quoting structure is decent. Much prefer our current one to that.

Also, it would be nice if we can add colors to the forums. If not all colors, at least a few other than grey and black.

http://forum.mafiascum.net...

Mafiascum has a cool quoting structure.

We recommend using the free program droplr (https://droplr.com...) to take and share images of a specific web page (as I have done above). Even hand-drawn pictures work, and you can share these via links with other free services such as TinyPic (http://tinypic.com...). Please PM me if you would like to send us photos a different way.

Thanks!
Suzanne
thett3
Posts: 14,378
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/27/2012 11:24:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 4:43:39 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/27/2012 11:26:09 AM, phantom wrote:
At 9/27/2012 11:22:00 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.
DDO Vice President

#StandwithBossy

#UnbanTheMadman

#BetOnThett

"Don't quote me, ever." -Max

"My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping

"Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max

"Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle

"You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam

: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
SarcasticIndeed
Posts: 2,215
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
9/28/2012 3:07:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 11:24:23 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/27/2012 4:43:39 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/27/2012 11:26:09 AM, phantom wrote:
At 9/27/2012 11:22:00 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/27/2012 10:28:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
I actually really, really love the forum quoting structure as it is.
<SIGNATURE CENSORED> nac
SObszanski
Posts: 102
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/1/2012 5:16:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hello, DDO'ers!

The general consensus appears to be that most users are satisfied with the present quoting system on Debate.org.

The enhancements we will consider are as follows:
-Making the quoted text appear smaller
-Encouraging users to delete any "unnecessary rubbish" from what they are quoting beforehand

If you have any other suggestions, please continue to share them with us!

Thanks!
Suzanne
Viper-King
Posts: 4,822
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/3/2012 7:34:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Something nice for forum quoting would be to have it asin if someone writes something in bold and someone else quotes it, what the 2nd person says won't be in bold.
Viper-King
Posts: 4,822
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/3/2012 7:38:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Something else is that quoting causes large use of characters for each post (especially in Mafia) so increasing the character count would be the best.
bossyburrito
Posts: 14,075
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/3/2012 7:45:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I have a simple solution: Make a "Show Quote" button above each applicable post.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
Mystical
Posts: 27
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/3/2012 7:54:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 12:39:09 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The best quoting systems I've seen eliminate all excess quotes and displays only the material directly quoted. That way you only see the most recently quoted rather than a big long string of quote quoting quotes quoting quotes.

As long as this suggestion is reasonable with DDO's coding structure, I second this.
wiploc
Posts: 1,485
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/5/2012 12:04:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 10:24:44 AM, SObszanski wrote:
What is the best way to redesign the forum quoting structure?

We need to teach people that good netiquette requires you to delete all of the quoted material except the bit you are responding too.

If you can provide specific examples, such as links to and screenshots

At freeratio.org, you get a choice of buttons, QUOTE and QUOTE ALL. If you click QUOTE, it doesn't reproduce the nested quotes. But that doesn't solve the problem. Deleting everything that isn't required for readers to understand your response is what solves the problem.