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Wallstreetatheist
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10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."
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10/7/2012 11:15:31 AM
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At 10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."

Sounds about right, but only up to a certain degree. People arent completely enslaved to their own point of view so occasionally people can be objective despite their viewpoints, albeit probably at a very low rate.
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10/7/2012 11:27:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."

sounds vague and a bit uncoordinated. Is the speaker's point that logic has no meaning unless we can experience where it applies? Or that our reasoning is bias toward pre-existing opinions?
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10/7/2012 11:29:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Smells like confirmation bias.
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10/7/2012 12:58:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Logic is not subjective, so individual applications of it can only vary in its objective validity, not in its actual application.
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10/7/2012 1:55:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."

Sounds good but you have "results" of the past to help gauge whether or not your logic and reason are viable.
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10/8/2012 9:39:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."

No, that's BS. I know from personal experience.
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10/8/2012 10:57:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."

It's kind of ridiculous, I mean, what's our aim in this person's account? If we're all chained to our experiences, we'd just be preaching whatever experience we happen to come across. It's not even like he's really privileging certain modes of knowledge (experience, perspective) because he comes right back and says we become victims to them. It's really just skepticism, that's all.
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10/8/2012 10:33:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/8/2012 9:39:45 AM, MouthWash wrote:
At 10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."

No, that's BS. I know from personal experience.

lulz xD I think your personal experience is BS based on my personal experience.
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10/8/2012 10:42:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/8/2012 10:57:39 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 10/7/2012 10:35:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"Logic and reason are nothing without perspective and experience. We are all chained to our point of view and lack the ability to be truly objective. As such, our applications of logic and reasoning are going to mirror our individual points of view. Without experience or perspective, you can't be expected to employ your faculties with any aptitude or accuracy."

It's kind of ridiculous, I mean, what's our aim in this person's account? If we're all chained to our experiences, we'd just be preaching whatever experience we happen to come across. It's not even like he's really privileging certain modes of knowledge (experience, perspective) because he comes right back and says we become victims to them. It's really just skepticism, that's all.

I agree. This guy, along with four to five others will always follow a well-structured argument I post with claims like this. Instead of addressing my argument they criticize me for not thinking through different perspectives. One example was a thread exclusively dealing with the necessity of government in infrastructure, which is not true whatsoever. They talked about roads (of course), public transportation, and long-distance trains. One lady said that several companies could not have built a railroad from NYC to Washington DC. My first post on the thread was detailing the superiority of James J. Hill's railroad to government-run railroads at the same time, the reasons why it was superior, and various mechanisms in private v. public construction, etc. My five paragraph case was not refuted, yet I and my psyche were scrutinized closely for psychological models fitting my delivery to reasons why argument and evidence are insufficient (a paradox, I suppose). I somewhat agreed with this guy on the grounds of perspective. Sometimes a new perspective makes all of the reason and evidence fall into place, but that reason adn evidence is based upon new, better reason and evidence (e.g. heliocentric model doing away with needlessly intricate patterns in the geocentric model).
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