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emospongebob527
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10/28/2012 7:54:04 PM
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In DDO debates, is the BOP rested on Pro or the Instigator.
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10/28/2012 8:00:11 PM
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Con.
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10/28/2012 8:03:24 PM
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Unless otherwise stated ("we share," or "on Con"), the BOP is ALWAYS on Pro. The position asserting a position is always the one that must prove the position.
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10/28/2012 8:04:02 PM
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In philosophy, usually the Burden of proof is on the person who makes a positive claim: Ex: "Evolution occurs" or "Objects fall on earth due to gravity".

However, a debater can pre-state whether he/she wishes the BOP to fall on him/her, the partner, or on both.

Also, in some cases, if the person argues "The show "House" is better than "Grey's Anatomy", the person arguing against the resolution might be arguing the reverse "The Show "Grey's Anatomy is better than "House"" so the BOP is equal.

There's also cases where the BOP might not be so great. For example if you state that "X is probably due to Y" instead of saying "X is due to Y". or "It is possible X might be due to Y".
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10/28/2012 8:04:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/28/2012 7:54:04 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
In DDO debates, is the BOP rested on Pro or the Instigator.

The burden of proof can rest on either the instigator, the contender, or sometimes both, it all depends on the resolution of the debate being debated.

Examples:

Resolution : "Creationism is true"

The instigator has the BOP because they need to prove that Creationism is indeed true to win the debate

Resolution: "Obama is just as bad as Bush"

Both the instigator and the contender have the BOP, the Instigator has to argue that Obama is as bad as Bush, the Contender has to argue that Bush is either better or worse then Obama.
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10/28/2012 8:05:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/28/2012 7:54:04 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
In DDO debates, is the BOP rested on Pro or the Instigator.

BoP rests on anyone forwarding a claim, the validity of which is in contention. So the burden can be held by pro, where con only needs to contravene the arguments pro puts forth, held by con, where pro only needs to contravene the arguments con puts forth, or shared, where both debaters must actively provide proof for opposite claims. Most debates have shared burden of proof.
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10/28/2012 8:06:25 PM
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Very debatable issue. Some people say it depends on who's pro and such, but I beg to differ. If I make a debate about the abominable snowman existing, the BoP should be on the one arguing for its existence unless it's mutually agreed upon as otherwise. So regardless of whether the instigator makes the res "the abominable snow man probably doesn't exist" and takes pro or he makes the same res and takes con the BoP is on who is arguing for its existence. BoP should be decided by rationally reflecting on what is being arguing. If the resolution is "utilitarianism is not true", and the instigator is pro, con should still have the burden of proof to prove that utilitarianism is true. After all, the debate is on whether utilitarianism can be deemed as true. Taking that into account the one advocating the theory should prove it is true. It's the same with most theories that are being advanced. Kant didn't just state the categorical imperative and say it's you who have to prove me wrong and I can sit back and refute. Rather he had to prove it right so that contenders could take down his arguments as well as poking holes in the theory itself. That's perhaps the best way to reflect on it. Focus off of the resolution and ask the question, what is being debated. From there you can deduct which stance has the BoP or whether it is shared. Who is pro is sometimes a significant factor but usually not.

But of course there are exceptions, especially seeing as it is an unpopular stance and people tend to decide the BoP by mutual agreement often.
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10/28/2012 8:11:00 PM
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Usually the BoP goes to whoever is defending a topic or if someone is suggesting a change to the status quo then they have the Burden of Proof to prove that it would be better than what we have now.
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10/28/2012 11:45:58 PM
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At 10/28/2012 8:03:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Unless otherwise stated ("we share," or "on Con"), the BOP is ALWAYS on Pro. The position asserting a position is always the one that must prove the position.

I've seen some recent debates where the instigator argues first, but takes the name "Con." In these cases, Con has the burden of proof.