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11/13/2012 7:43:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Seeing as how my interview was never posted, I'm posting it.

VK - What qualifies you to be president?


DN - What I believe qualifies me as president, firstly, is that I consider myself to be a member of DDO that is not divisive in very few ways--I also consider myself a generally noncontroversial and polite member. These traits, I feel, are essential to help act as a president of a community like ours, DDO. DDO can be a dividing place, there can definitely be tension, but having a unifier could be a potential boon.

Additionally, I think I am a collaborative person--I believe I can work with people to come to consensuses (or whatever the plural form of "consensus" is) about how to proceed. While I do indeed argue in the forum, I believe (and hope) members will reflect on me as a person who also looks for common ground. When it comes to the community and site at large, I prefer agreement, not disagreement. This is also evident in the multiple community efforts I've tried (albeit, sometimes unsuccessfully), such as the Adopt-a-Noob program, and book club.

There are others I could think of (maybe, possibly), but I'll leave it at that.

VK - What do you think about the current president's administration?

I think airmax has done competently during his presidency. He's done a good job in terms of maintenance of the site, and also additions, such as the official debate tournament(s).

That being said, I wish I saw more community, non-code-oriented initiatives initiated by him and his cabinet/helpers/inner circle/other words for close helpers with his administration.

VK - What would you attempt to do in your presidency?

DN - I'll be posting a platform at some point (adapted from my last run), but to give a brief version [NOTE: THIS WAS POSTED]:

My goal for my presidency would be to administer over DDO in areas which would not require changes, or massive ones, to the site code. I realize the increased interest Juggle has taken in DDO will probably bring me site code changes, and that's fine. However, my concentration will be in things we can do ourselves as a community to improve DDO. Site changes are fine, but I'd rather leave that to be between the entire community and Juggle, not myself and Juggle.

Some examples of initiatives (which would all be forum-based) I would advocate/initiate, or would have "cabinet members" (reputable members/helpers) initiate include an expansion of the Adopt-a-Noob program I began for Mafia. I could see this kind of thing expanding to debating, and, if the community likes it, to simply being an effective forum debater. I also would advocate writing groups, for people to share their work, book clubs, etc.

Additionally (this would be a BIG thing I'd advocate), is the creation of a PM based mediation service for members. This would not be used for argumentation, as obviously argumentation MUST take place on a DEBATE website. However, if members have had a quarrel in which the two (or more) members have taken it to a disruptive or seriously hurtful level, we can have respected members of DDO help mediate, to avoid having to resort to reporting people.

Last but not least would be the drafting of a bill of rights for DDO. I think it's important for us to lay down a collective set of rights that all members have as members of DDO.


VK - Do you believe you can gain support and win this election?

DN - I believe I CAN get support/possibly win. Don't get me wrong, I recognize it may be a challenge, but it's possible. I feel that members may gravitate toward my advocacy for forum initiatives, as well as my generally inclusive personality.

VK - What separates you from other candidates?

DN - I believe what separates me from other candidates is my support for less code-heavy changes, and more forum-based initiatives. I also believe, specifically, that my support for a mediation system sets me apart. Overall, I feel my platform tends toward community building (without the sacrifice of argumentation) more than other candidates.


VK - Why are you running for election?


DN - While winning would be interesting, and nice, I am primarily running to provide a different perspective in this election, as well as offer up ideas which I feel could be more easily implemented. I also feel I offer a unique perspective of wanting to make this site more niche, more tight knit.

VK - Who will be your vice president if you happen to win?

DN - My running mate has not yet been determined.
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11/13/2012 8:06:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
<- Not impressed.
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11/13/2012 8:09:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but why do you guys put so much work to a largely meaningless title? I don't know who's going to actually read these interviews, and I don't know how they are going to mean anything for the people that do read them.
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11/13/2012 8:11:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:06:31 PM, imabench wrote:
<- Not impressed.

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11/13/2012 8:19:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Cool.
#UnbanTheMadman

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11/13/2012 8:21:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

if you support banning the weekly stupid I will not vote for you
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11/13/2012 8:22:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

I'm not sure banning it is the right way to go. But I agree with you in that it has just turned into a thing where people just dump whatever comments they happen to disagree with, and if enough people disagree with it, imabench publishes it as stupid.

Stuff like that is really poisonous to site diversity and forum debate.
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11/13/2012 8:24:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

I'm not in support of banning it. I don't feel it's near being abusive enough.

Even if I did support a banning, it's not like I could do it anyway.
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11/13/2012 8:25:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:22:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

I'm not sure banning it is the right way to go. But I agree with you in that it has just turned into a thing where people just dump whatever comments they happen to disagree with, and if enough people disagree with it, imabench publishes it as stupid.

Stuff like that is really poisonous to site diversity and forum debate.

Fair enough, I suppose. But yeah, I think banning would be inappropriate.
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11/13/2012 8:25:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:21:23 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

if you support banning the weekly stupid I will not vote for you

He's not going to vote for you anyways, DN. He'll vote for airmax instead. You can only gain votes by banning the WS.
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11/13/2012 8:25:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.
Because you haven't managed to grab the first spot yet?
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11/13/2012 8:27:17 PM
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"He's not going to vote for you anyways, DN. He'll vote for airmax instead. You can only gain votes by banning the WS."
Aren't you an anarchist????
#UnbanTheMadman

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11/13/2012 8:29:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:27:17 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
"He's not going to vote for you anyways, DN. He'll vote for airmax instead. You can only gain votes by banning the WS."
Aren't you an anarchist????

Anarchy doesn't mean you do whatever you want. I am advocating communal regulations on the WS.
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11/13/2012 8:30:59 PM
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I'd been willing to be your running mate, if you need one.

We can have Geo makes shirts for us and stuff. Be the Ron Paul of DDO!
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11/13/2012 8:39:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:22:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

I'm not sure banning it is the right way to go. But I agree with you in that it has just turned into a thing where people just dump whatever comments they happen to disagree with, and if enough people disagree with it, imabench publishes it as stupid.

Because you totally know how I choose content that appears on the show... (end sarcasm)

Stuff like that is really poisonous to site diversity and forum debate.

Im pretty sure that youve raised more hell in the forums then the WS ever has, does that mean you would push for censoring yourself?
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11/13/2012 8:40:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:25:22 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.
Because you haven't managed to grab the first spot yet?

Shes making a pretty good push for it this week.
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

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11/13/2012 8:42:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:29:39 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:27:17 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
"He's not going to vote for you anyways, DN. He'll vote for airmax instead. You can only gain votes by banning the WS."
Aren't you an anarchist????

Anarchy doesn't mean you do whatever you want. I am advocating communal regulations on the WS.

Funnily enough, this site is by no means "communal".

It's pretty much a dictatorship. Juggle takes our opinions into account, but they dont really have to give a damn.

And quite that BS that your an anarchist. Your anything but that.
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11/13/2012 8:44:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hey Royal, how about you and Ike run for president and center your platform around banning/regulating the weekly stupid?
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11/13/2012 8:49:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:40:31 PM, imabench wrote:
Shes making a pretty good push for it this week.
Great! Right on time to increase my popcorn supply! Free for all viewers of course. And choco smoothie included.
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11/13/2012 9:01:13 PM
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At 11/13/2012 8:30:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I'd been willing to be your running mate, if you need one.

We can have Geo makes shirts for us and stuff. Be the Ron Paul of DDO!

I thought you were already running.
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11/13/2012 9:04:16 PM
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At 11/13/2012 9:01:13 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:30:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I'd been willing to be your running mate, if you need one.

We can have Geo makes shirts for us and stuff. Be the Ron Paul of DDO!

I thought you were already running.

(Its a joke campaign)
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11/13/2012 9:15:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:39:42 PM, imabench wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:22:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

I'm not sure banning it is the right way to go. But I agree with you in that it has just turned into a thing where people just dump whatever comments they happen to disagree with, and if enough people disagree with it, imabench publishes it as stupid.

Because you totally know how I choose content that appears on the show... (end sarcasm)

Stuff like that is really poisonous to site diversity and forum debate.

Im pretty sure that youve raised more hell in the forums then the WS ever has, does that mean you would push for censoring yourself?

Waging attacks on others doesn't justify your own actions. You seem to think that putting people on the defensive means you're winning :P

So, basically, several people happen to disagree with that comment, and imabench also happens to disagree with the comment, and then publishes it as stupid and walks off. This is literally the antithesis of productive debating. WS is a way for people to dismiss things that are out of the DDO mainstream. The reality is, imabench, that no comment on this site is automatically stupid just because you and some other people agree that it is. All ideas are to be treated with respect, or simply ignored by those that can't respect them, but not publicly insulted. All your show does is enforce majority rule and make this place incredibly inhospitable for people with wildly divergent opinions. It's also a form of a put down.
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11/13/2012 9:27:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 9:15:55 PM, 000ike wrote:

So, basically, several people happen to disagree with that comment, and imabench also happens to disagree with the comment, and then publishes it as stupid and walks off.

Not even close. The more people submit the quote the more attention I give it for admitting it onto the show. Material for the show isnt picked by popular vote.

This is literally the antithesis of productive debating. WS is a way for people to dismiss things that are out of the DDO mainstream. The reality is, imabench, that no comment on this site is automatically stupid just because you and some other people agree that it is.

But just because a lot of people believe something is stupid, it doesnt mean it cant be stupid at all either, which is the case with most stuff that is submitted.

All ideas are to be treated with respect, or simply ignored by those that can't respect them, but not publicly insulted. All your show does is enforce majority rule and make this place incredibly inhospitable for people with wildly divergent opinions.

Majority rule doesnt dictate what ends up on the show, and I know that must be tough for your mind to comprehend but if the WS did operate only by majority rule, then your comments that "Let this be a mandate, this man will accomplish what he was put on this Earth to do" or something along the lines of that would be number 1 hands down. But it wont. Because if it hasnt gotten through your thick head already,

Majority. Rule. Does. Not. Dictate. Material. That. Ends. Up. On. The. Show.

It's also a form of a put down.

Then petition to have me censored.
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11/13/2012 9:35:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 9:27:40 PM, imabench wrote:
At 11/13/2012 9:15:55 PM, 000ike wrote:

So, basically, several people happen to disagree with that comment, and imabench also happens to disagree with the comment, and then publishes it as stupid and walks off.

Not even close. The more people submit the quote the more attention I give it for admitting it onto the show. Material for the show isnt picked by popular vote.

This is literally the antithesis of productive debating. WS is a way for people to dismiss things that are out of the DDO mainstream. The reality is, imabench, that no comment on this site is automatically stupid just because you and some other people agree that it is.

But just because a lot of people believe something is stupid, it doesnt mean it cant be stupid at all either, which is the case with most stuff that is submitted.

All ideas are to be treated with respect, or simply ignored by those that can't respect them, but not publicly insulted. All your show does is enforce majority rule and make this place incredibly inhospitable for people with wildly divergent opinions.

Majority rule doesnt dictate what ends up on the show, and I know that must be tough for your mind to comprehend but if the WS did operate only by majority rule, then your comments that "Let this be a mandate, this man will accomplish what he was put on this Earth to do" or something along the lines of that would be number 1 hands down. But it wont. Because if it hasnt gotten through your thick head already,

Majority. Rule. Does. Not. Dictate. Material. That. Ends. Up. On. The. Show.

Nothing warms my heart like seeing someone that totally missed my argument talking down to me in a condescending way.

I said that you AND the majority determine what is stupid....which is just as bad as the majority alone determining what is stupid. There are no objectively stupid comments, so whatever metric you use to arrive at that judgement, is opinionated and subjectively charged. That's the reason why we debate things and don't just dismiss anything that challenges the putative wisdom. In the active population of this site, there are agnostics, atheists, Libertarians, and Conservatives....and unsurprisingly enough, Liberals and Christians (for the most part) dominate the WS lineup.

The show is just a massive put down.
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11/13/2012 9:39:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think DN did a good job in the interview. I'd suggest being more active on the site and gathering votes.

At 11/13/2012 8:09:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but why do you guys put so much work to a largely meaningless title? I don't know who's going to actually read these interviews, and I don't know how they are going to mean anything for the people that do read them.

To some extent this is true, it is your interactions with other people on the site that really matter when you run for a position like this.
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11/13/2012 9:48:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 9:04:16 PM, imabench wrote:
At 11/13/2012 9:01:13 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:30:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I'd been willing to be your running mate, if you need one.

We can have Geo makes shirts for us and stuff. Be the Ron Paul of DDO!

I thought you were already running.

(Its was a joke campaign)

Fix'd.

And, I never really started it. :P
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11/13/2012 9:49:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 9:35:39 PM, 000ike wrote:

I said that you AND the majority determine what is stupid....which is just as bad as the majority alone determining what is stupid. There are no objectively stupid comments, so whatever metric you use to arrive at that judgement, is opinionated and subjectively charged. That's the reason why we debate things and don't just dismiss anything that challenges the putative wisdom. In the active population of this site, there are agnostics, atheists, Libertarians, and Conservatives....and unsurprisingly enough, Liberals and Christians (for the most part) dominate the WS lineup.

First off, Christians hands down say some of the dumbest sh*t on the site, which is why they end up on the show. ScottyDouglas is about to become Best of The Best champ for the fifth week in a row because he actually claimed that "Even if you dont (believe in the devil) you do." which is illogical to claim in almost every possible way you can think of. Other content from christians usually involves denouncing evolution, or just regular stupid sh*t like saying that Hitler didnt kill 6 million jews because he made it so that jews arent people (Which was actually said)

Secondly, Liberals do not dominate the lineup of material on the weekly stupid. Most of the good stuff comes from Geo's conspiracies, religious blabber, and then the rest is usually a handful of stupidity from all sides.

Lastly, If you are mad about the level of conservative material ends up in the top 10, then maybe you should submit some actual material said by conservatives.

The show is just a massive put down.

Then dont watch it.
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Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

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11/13/2012 9:51:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 9:49:56 PM, imabench wrote:
At 11/13/2012 9:35:39 PM, 000ike wrote:

I said that you AND the majority determine what is stupid....which is just as bad as the majority alone determining what is stupid. There are no objectively stupid comments, so whatever metric you use to arrive at that judgement, is opinionated and subjectively charged. That's the reason why we debate things and don't just dismiss anything that challenges the putative wisdom. In the active population of this site, there are agnostics, atheists, Libertarians, and Conservatives....and unsurprisingly enough, Liberals and Christians (for the most part) dominate the WS lineup.

First off, Christians hands down say some of the dumbest sh*t on the site, which is why they end up on the show. ScottyDouglas is about to become Best of The Best champ for the fifth week in a row because he actually claimed that "Even if you dont (believe in the devil) you do." which is illogical to claim in almost every possible way you can think of. Other content from christians usually involves denouncing evolution, or just regular stupid sh*t like saying that Hitler didnt kill 6 million jews because he made it so that jews arent people (Which was actually said)

Secondly, Liberals do not dominate the lineup of material on the weekly stupid. Most of the good stuff comes from Geo's conspiracies, religious blabber, and then the rest is usually a handful of stupidity from all sides.

Lastly, If you are mad about the level of conservative material ends up in the top 10, then maybe you should submit some actual material said by conservatives.

The show is just a massive put down.

Then dont watch it.

also sadolite appears on the WS.
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11/14/2012 3:35:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 8:22:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 11/13/2012 8:16:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
DN, if you support banning the Weekly Stupid, I will vote for you.

I'm not sure banning it is the right way to go. But I agree with you in that it has just turned into a thing where people just dump whatever comments they happen to disagree with, and if enough people disagree with it, imabench publishes it as stupid.

Stuff like that is really poisonous to site diversity and forum debate.

Wow, I actually agree with 000ike.

Cue the apocalypse.
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