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Question on Plagarism

Niwsa
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12/9/2012 1:27:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If a debater posts their entire argument from a third-party source, in quotes (several paragraphs) and also provides an in-text citation (Name) at the end, yet provides no analysis of their own, are they guilt of plagiarism?
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phantom
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12/9/2012 1:44:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
No, just excessive laziness and poor conduct.
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12/9/2012 1:53:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/9/2012 1:27:03 PM, Niwsa wrote:
If a debater posts their entire argument from a third-party source, in quotes (several paragraphs) and also provides an in-text citation (Name) at the end, yet provides no analysis of their own, are they guilt of plagiarism?

No plagiarism, but you point out that he forwarded no argument of his own, and refuse to respond to it, since you're not obligated to argue with a quote. Your opponent would lose the debate then.
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phantom
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12/9/2012 2:02:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/9/2012 1:53:52 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/9/2012 1:27:03 PM, Niwsa wrote:
If a debater posts their entire argument from a third-party source, in quotes (several paragraphs) and also provides an in-text citation (Name) at the end, yet provides no analysis of their own, are they guilt of plagiarism?

No plagiarism, but you point out that he forwarded no argument of his own, and refuse to respond to it, since you're not obligated to argue with a quote. Your opponent would lose the debate then.

I wouldn't recommend doing this simply because plenty of people would disagree and you might end up losing the debate.

I'd just point out his poor conduct and respond as well. Most people would give you the conduct point as well as being reluctant to give him arguments. Plus the fact that he had to C/P his whole case probably means he doesn't have much ability of his own. Therefore, once you respond, it will be hard for him to make another response because he'd have to refute all your individual points meaning he couldn't really just copy and paste everything like the previous round. Actually I'm guessing he'd probably just forfeit given that he's observably lazy.

You'd have an extremely good chance of winning if you respond but doing what Ike said seems to be pretty dangerous. One time someone did literally plagiarize (no citations) his whole case and his opponent refused to respond. I did give the one who didn't plagiarize the points but many other people gave them to the plagiarizer since the other debater didn't make a response. In this case it isn't plagiarism so I definitely wouldn't do it.
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12/9/2012 6:06:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/9/2012 1:44:24 PM, phantom wrote:
No, just excessive laziness and poor conduct.

I agree, He or she made it clear it was not their words.
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12/9/2012 6:07:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/9/2012 1:27:03 PM, Niwsa wrote:
If a debater posts their entire argument from a third-party source, in quotes (several paragraphs) and also provides an in-text citation (Name) at the end, yet provides no analysis of their own, are they guilt of plagiarism?

can we see a link to the debate in question?
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