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airmax1227
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12/22/2012 5:53:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Innomen set the precedent for two terms being the limit for DDO president. I support this notion for several reasons but would like to get member feedback on it. If it is established that members generally support a limit of two terms for DDO president we will codify it into our DDO election portion of the Orientation thread.

Please offer any thoughts and feedback you may have.

Thank you.
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12/22/2012 5:54:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't see the point in term limits.
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12/22/2012 5:57:21 PM
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How long is a term on DDO?
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12/22/2012 5:59:17 PM
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At 12/22/2012 5:57:21 PM, RationalMadman wrote:
How long is a term on DDO?

About 6 months.
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12/22/2012 6:02:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Lol. We're pretty lax about making major decisions like this, aren't we?

In any event, I'm opposed to term limits.
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12/22/2012 6:08:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I dont see why not. Ill support it
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12/22/2012 6:08:57 PM
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At 12/22/2012 6:02:56 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Lol. We're pretty lax about making major decisions like this, aren't we?

In any event, I'm opposed to term limits.

I tend to agree with DN here. In a real-life political situation, I am in favour of term limits (especially legislative term limits), but in this arena, I am opposed to term limits.
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12/22/2012 6:12:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
1 year isn't a really long time to be president. Plus i think we'll run out of members qualified to be president really fast. There's only about 2 members that I can think of that would be good presidents, and I'm not sure if they're running or not.
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12/22/2012 6:12:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/22/2012 5:59:17 PM, DoubtingDave wrote:
At 12/22/2012 5:57:21 PM, RationalMadman wrote:
How long is a term on DDO?

About 6 months.

Then I think 2 years should be limit (4 terms)
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12/22/2012 6:20:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/22/2012 6:12:08 PM, darkkermit wrote:
1 year isn't a really long time to be president. Plus i think we'll run out of members qualified to be president really fast. There's only about 2 members that I can think of that would be good presidents, and I'm not sure if they're running or not.

good point.

Do the term limits HAVE to be at 2 terms?
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12/22/2012 6:22:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/22/2012 6:20:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:12:08 PM, darkkermit wrote:
1 year isn't a really long time to be president. Plus i think we'll run out of members qualified to be president really fast. There's only about 2 members that I can think of that would be good presidents, and I'm not sure if they're running or not.

good point.

Do the term limits HAVE to be at 2 terms?

No. Feel free to offer a limit that you think is more appropriate, or to suggest no limit at all.
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12/22/2012 6:23:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/22/2012 6:22:20 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:20:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:12:08 PM, darkkermit wrote:
1 year isn't a really long time to be president. Plus i think we'll run out of members qualified to be president really fast. There's only about 2 members that I can think of that would be good presidents, and I'm not sure if they're running or not.

good point.

Do the term limits HAVE to be at 2 terms?

No. Feel free to offer a limit that you think is more appropriate, or to suggest no limit at all.

That right there. ;)
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12/22/2012 6:26:21 PM
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I'd also be fine with no term limit. But my first option would be 2 terms of 1 year each. Like DK said, 1 year total isn't a very long time.

It also seems like elections are happening too frequently. They're every 6 months, but its no secret that people start campaigning up to 3 months in advance.
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12/22/2012 6:29:05 PM
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At 12/22/2012 6:26:21 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
I'd also be fine with no term limit. But my first option would be 2 terms of 1 year each. Like DK said, 1 year total isn't a very long time.

It also seems like elections are happening too frequently. They're every 6 months, but its no secret that people start campaigning up to 3 months in advance.

I disagree, it seems that this time around we almost forgot we needed to have an election and then one was thrown together....
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12/22/2012 6:29:31 PM
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I believe it should be lenghtened. Now here me out. We should keep the term limits at 2 but lenghthen the terms themselves to 8months so the president can actually get sh*t done in his terms insteed of worrin' about habin' to apease the DDOers on this site.
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12/22/2012 6:30:01 PM
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At 12/22/2012 6:22:20 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:20:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:12:08 PM, darkkermit wrote:
1 year isn't a really long time to be president. Plus i think we'll run out of members qualified to be president really fast. There's only about 2 members that I can think of that would be good presidents, and I'm not sure if they're running or not.

good point.

Do the term limits HAVE to be at 2 terms?

No. Feel free to offer a limit that you think is more appropriate, or to suggest no limit at all.

4 seems good, because 3 is an odd number (and odd numbers irk me)
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12/22/2012 6:30:27 PM
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At 12/22/2012 6:26:21 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
I'd also be fine with no term limit. But my first option would be 2 terms of 1 year each. Like DK said, 1 year total isn't a very long time.

It also seems like elections are happening too frequently. They're every 6 months, but its no secret that people start campaigning up to 3 months in advance.

i think 6 months is a good time frame. Its not a if campaigns are super expensive and time-consuming like in the real world.
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12/22/2012 6:35:20 PM
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At 12/22/2012 6:30:27 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:26:21 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
I'd also be fine with no term limit. But my first option would be 2 terms of 1 year each. Like DK said, 1 year total isn't a very long time.

It also seems like elections are happening too frequently. They're every 6 months, but its no secret that people start campaigning up to 3 months in advance.

i think 6 months is a good time frame. Its not a if campaigns are super expensive and time-consuming like in the real world.

So whats your position? 6 months, 4 terms?
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12/22/2012 6:36:59 PM
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At 12/22/2012 6:35:20 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:30:27 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:26:21 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
I'd also be fine with no term limit. But my first option would be 2 terms of 1 year each. Like DK said, 1 year total isn't a very long time.

It also seems like elections are happening too frequently. They're every 6 months, but its no secret that people start campaigning up to 3 months in advance.

i think 6 months is a good time frame. Its not a if campaigns are super expensive and time-consuming like in the real world.

So whats your position? 6 months, 4 terms?

i'd say 4 terms at the minimum and 6 months.
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12/22/2012 6:51:10 PM
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At 12/22/2012 6:23:05 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:22:20 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:20:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/22/2012 6:12:08 PM, darkkermit wrote:
1 year isn't a really long time to be president. Plus i think we'll run out of members qualified to be president really fast. There's only about 2 members that I can think of that would be good presidents, and I'm not sure if they're running or not.

good point.

Do the term limits HAVE to be at 2 terms?

No. Feel free to offer a limit that you think is more appropriate, or to suggest no limit at all.

That right there. ;)

I second this.
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12/22/2012 6:54:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/22/2012 5:53:01 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
Innomen set the precedent for two terms being the limit for DDO president. I support this notion for several reasons but would like to get member feedback on it. If it is established that members generally support a limit of two terms for DDO president we will codify it into our DDO election portion of the Orientation thread.

Please offer any thoughts and feedback you may have.

Thank you.

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12/22/2012 7:02:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I was first to suggest 4 terms :D
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12/22/2012 10:57:38 PM
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I feel like there are too few eligible presidential candidates for term limits to remain as is (only two terms). I tend to agree with Dk's opinion but don't feel too strongly either way about how many terms should be the limit... or if there should be a limit at all.
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12/23/2012 12:08:14 AM
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As others have said before, there is a lack of really qualified people on DDO at the moment, so I am opposed.

However, if we HAD to do it, I would say the minimum would be 2 years, so 4 terms.
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12/23/2012 12:42:17 AM
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I'm strongly in favor of no term limits. However, I'd like to see the terms expanded to 1 year long, rather than 6 months. It seems that 6 months is not very long. Though that may be resolved with shorter election cycles. Though if there is an active impeachment process, then long terms are okay, because a bad leader can be booted out at any time, not just the next election.
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12/23/2012 1:01:54 AM
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I don't see any compelling reasons why we should have a DDO presidency term limit, so I'm going to take con for now.
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12/23/2012 1:25:46 AM
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a 2 term consecutive limit? Increase the terms? That is, change the term to 1 yr. After 2 terms the incumbent has to step down and may run again in the election after?
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12/23/2012 4:58:10 AM
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2 years is what I said.
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12/23/2012 12:42:36 PM
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I am in favor of the status quo.

Two terms is perfect. No reasoning. Just personal opinion...

I guess I like the fact that the frequently changing terms mean that no one person can consistently be president. However, the downside is that Airmax can't be the permanent president and someone less competent may have to be president in the next election.
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12/23/2012 1:09:25 PM
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I think the biggest problem with term limits is that it seems we're starting to try and change the system--I don't see much problem. If DDO likes someone, and that person wants to continue to run, they can be elected as many times as DDO continues to like them.
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