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Luminal
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1/19/2013 5:55:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I propose that MochaShakaKhan is a sham account operated by RyuuKyuzo to periodically boost his voting score.

My arguments:

RyuuKyuzo wants to maintain his perfect record due to his pride.

The MochaShakaKhan account was created immediately after RyuuKyuzo began losing his debate against Stephen_Hawkins during the voting period. The debate was created because RyuuKyuzo was insulted that Stephen_Hawkins refused him entry into a debate league and RyuuKyuzo felt his pride was on the line.

The account engaged in three extremely short, insubstantial sham debates in order to acquire voting ability over the period of 3 days, and then immediately voted for RyuuKyuzo in his debate against Stephen_Hawkins. It has not engaged in any substantial debate ever, and it has not engaged in a debate in 2 months. It has 4 total debates.

Since that time, the account logs on to vote in clusters -- a total of 5 times it has logged on to vote in clusters (33 total votes). These voting clusters are separated by time. Each cluster always contains a vote for RyuuKyuzo in one of his debates. These voting clusters are intended to disguise that the MochaShakaKhan account's purpose is solely to vote for RyuuKyuzo.

33 total votes by user:

RyuuKyuzo -- 5 votes (100% of the time for RyuuKyuzo)
Ishallannoyyo -- 3 votes
Tennis47 -- 2 votes
Danielle -- 2 votes
21 other users -- 1 vote

I contend that this evidence suggests that the purpose of the MochaShakaKhan account is to vote for RyuuKyuzo and is likely operated by him.
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1/19/2013 5:59:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You think this how?
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1/19/2013 6:01:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
wait a sec, how can you know about the hawkings-ryuu debate if youve only been here for like a week?
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1/19/2013 6:03:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:01:41 PM, imabench wrote:
wait a sec, how can you know about the hawkings-ryuu debate if youve only been here for like a week?

This is some f*cking inception sh!t right here!
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1/19/2013 6:15:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

Oh, I thought he was you honestly.
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1/19/2013 6:21:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:15:43 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

Oh, I thought he was you honestly.

Thought he was rational.
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1/19/2013 6:22:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

whoever this guy is he knows me, he sent me all of this in a PM about a week ago, only at the very end he added

"Perhaps, when your debate ends, these accounts will have caused you to lose. Perhaps not, but I wonder how you feel about the fact that your opponent doesn't play fair?"

Whoever this guy is its someone who really has a problem with Ryuu...
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1/19/2013 6:22:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:15:43 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

Oh, I thought he was you honestly.

Yeah, just blame me for anything that goes wrong. You've been socialized into the DDO community pretty well.

Believe me, if I thought Ryuu was multiaccounting, I wouldn't hide behind a dummy account and make accusations to the community. I would have sent info. straight to the mods.
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1/19/2013 6:22:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:21:23 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:43 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

Oh, I thought he was you honestly.

Thought he was rational.

Possibly... Start insulting him to find out.
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1/19/2013 6:23:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:21:23 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:43 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

Oh, I thought he was you honestly.

Thought he was rational.

if it was rational then hed be going after me or posting gay porn in thr forums. I dont think rational had it out for ryuu or would even care about what he was doing
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1/19/2013 6:23:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:22:24 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:43 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

Oh, I thought he was you honestly.

Yeah, just blame me for anything that goes wrong. You've been socialized into the DDO community pretty well.

Believe me, if I thought Ryuu was multiaccounting, I wouldn't hide behind a dummy account and make accusations to the community. I would have sent info. straight to the mods.

Sorry forgot the /endsarcasm.
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1/19/2013 6:23:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:22:01 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:15:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Luminal, just come out and say who you are . . .

whoever this guy is he knows me, he sent me all of this in a PM about a week ago, only at the very end he added

"Perhaps, when your debate ends, these accounts will have caused you to lose. Perhaps not, but I wonder how you feel about the fact that your opponent doesn't play fair?"

Whoever this guy is its someone who really has a problem with Ryuu...

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1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing, and he votes for Ryuu every single time.

I think Ryuu has made a voting bloc.
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1/19/2013 6:29:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing, and he votes for Ryuu every single time.

I think Ryuu has made a voting bloc.

Let's get Geolaureate on the case. He'll expose the conspiracy to everyone, whether they like it or not.
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1/19/2013 6:29:39 PM
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Either Ryuu has really pissed off somebody who knows me and also knows how to hide rage really well or somebody who also knows me who is just really really suspicious of Ryuu and went to extreme lengths to try to bring him down......
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1/19/2013 6:30:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:29:17 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing, and he votes for Ryuu every single time.

I think Ryuu has made a voting bloc.

Let's get Geolaureate on the case. He'll expose the conspiracy to everyone, whether they like it or not.

nah, he'll just blame Obama and the Illuminati
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

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1/19/2013 6:31:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:30:57 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:29:17 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing, and he votes for Ryuu every single time.

I think Ryuu has made a voting bloc.

Let's get Geolaureate on the case. He'll expose the conspiracy to everyone, whether they like it or not.

nah, he'll just blame Obama and the Illuminati

We haven't ruled them out yet...
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1/19/2013 6:32:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:31:25 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:30:57 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:29:17 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing, and he votes for Ryuu every single time.

I think Ryuu has made a voting bloc.

Let's get Geolaureate on the case. He'll expose the conspiracy to everyone, whether they like it or not.

nah, he'll just blame Obama and the Illuminati

We haven't ruled them out yet...

lol, fair enough XD
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1/19/2013 6:37:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:29:17 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing, and he votes for Ryuu every single time.

I think Ryuu has made a voting bloc.

Let's get Geolaureate on the case. He'll expose the conspiracy to everyone, whether they like it or not.

Wait Geo is a guy.
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1/19/2013 6:39:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:37:31 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:29:17 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing, and he votes for Ryuu every single time.

I think Ryuu has made a voting bloc.

Let's get Geolaureate on the case. He'll expose the conspiracy to everyone, whether they like it or not.

Wait Geo is a guy.

Yes lannan..... Geo is in fact a guy
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1/19/2013 6:40:59 PM
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luminal it would really help your case if you came out about how you found out about all of this and who you really are.
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1/19/2013 6:46:32 PM
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To be honest I thought he was a chick
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1/19/2013 6:48:22 PM
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At 1/19/2013 6:46:32 PM, lannan13 wrote:
To be honest I thought he was a chick

because he acts like a chick on her period right?
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1/19/2013 6:50:53 PM
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At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing

I do not think that, in of itself, can be described as votebombing. Vote bombing, as defined by this site, is voting for reason that are not pertinent to events within the debate. Obviously the arguments in a debate ARE pertinent to it. So while you may be able to say HmanthNambiar gave a "poor RFD", you I do not think you can claim their vote to be a votebomb.

And if that is the case, it would be your vote, not theirs, which is the votebomb.
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1/19/2013 6:53:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:50:53 PM, The_Chaos_Heart wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing

I do not think that, in of itself, can be described as votebombing. Vote bombing, as defined by this site, is voting for reason that are not pertinent to events within the debate. Obviously the arguments in a debate ARE pertinent to it. So while you may be able to say HmanthNambiar gave a "poor RFD", you I do not think you can claim their vote to be a votebomb.

And if that is the case, it would be your vote, not theirs, which is the votebomb.

he gave all 7 points to Ryuu which is clearly a votebomb when it comes with a poor rfd.
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1/19/2013 6:56:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
As for the OP, pretty much everything they've asserted is circumstantial evidence. Just because all they do is vote, does not mean they are an alt account. Just because their account was created around the time of one of Ryuu's debates, doesn't make it an alt of Ryuu. Just because they have voted in favor of Ryuu's arguments, doesn't mean they are voting in favor of Ryuu.

You may be on to something, and I won't contest you have a reason to be slightly suspicious, but to come out and boldly claim that the account is an alt is unfounded.

And in fact, I am curious as to why you felt the need to hide your name. If this is truly what you thought, why would you not have merely said so on your own account? Perhaps because you feel using your own name would cause people to discredit your claims?
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1/19/2013 6:57:32 PM
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At 1/19/2013 6:53:26 PM, imabench wrote:
he gave all 7 points to Ryuu which is clearly a votebomb when it comes with a poor rfd.

Oh it was all 7 points? Forgive me then, that is most certainly a votebomb, especially if the only reasoning is "he gave better arguments". It was just to counter it.
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1/19/2013 6:58:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 6:50:53 PM, The_Chaos_Heart wrote:
At 1/19/2013 6:25:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Actually, Ryuu does have several people votebombing for him. HemanthNambiar votebombs for Ryuu. In his debate with tulle, Hemanth said that he thought Ryuu's argument was slightly better and gave no justification for this. That's straight up votebombing

I do not think that, in of itself, can be described as votebombing. Vote bombing, as defined by this site, is voting for reason that are not pertinent to events within the debate. Obviously the arguments in a debate ARE pertinent to it. So while you may be able to say HmanthNambiar gave a "poor RFD", you I do not think you can claim their vote to be a votebomb.

And if that is the case, it would be your vote, not theirs, which is the votebomb.

Actually, poor RFDs are considered votebombs and have been countered numerous times with the approval of the community. If we did it your way, anybody can just say "I thought x side was better" and vote and then be able to get away with votebombing.